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01.02.2011 19:59, Valentinus

Barry and I once watched malvae mate. Here are barry's pictures:

http://kharkov.naturalist.su/gallery/show_...p?imageid=13262
http://kharkov.naturalist.su/gallery/show_...p?imageid=13263
http://kharkov.naturalist.su/gallery/show_...p?imageid=13264

However, I do not recall anything like what Wagner writes. The usual behavior, in general: the male climbed belly to the female... But the last image shows" swollen " androconial bundles on the male's legs.

By the way, I thought that androconia are found in the costal fold of the forewing and on the legs. At the end of the abdomen, too?

I also once observed E. tages mating. They also sat quietly (already).

Indeed, the spectacle is not often seen.

Great and very informative pictures, especially the last one. It is seen that the male opens androconia on the lower legs of the hind legs before copulation, making it clear to the female that it is his own.
I looked through my collection of thickheads and it turned out that the androconial fold on the costal edge of the forewing is present in several genera: Erynnis, Carcharodus,Muschampia,Pyrgus. Androconial tufts on the lower legs of the hind legs are found only in Pyrgus. We can say that they are the most odorous thickheads. They have both on their wings and on their legs.

I found absolutely no androconium in Spialia, Heteropterus, and Carterocephalus.

Wagner's phrase about odorous scales on the tip of the male's abdomen will probably be left in great doubt. He also wrote that the female sits on the male before mating, and then rubs her paws... NADA PRAVERAT

01.02.2011 20:12, Kharkovbut

Androconial tufts on the lower legs of the hind legs are found only in Pyrgus.

...as well as many other members of the subfamily Pyrginae from other regions. Are you sure Tages doesn't have one?" Right here

http://butterfliesofamerica.com/imagehtmls...rolinskiy_i.htm

you can see my picture of E. icelus (North America) - the androconal bundles are clearly visible.

I found absolutely no androconium in Spialia, Heteropterus, and Carterocephalus.

Yes, Spialia do not have a costal fold - something of an exception. Well, the others are from a different subfamily, and the demand is different from them.

Wagner's phrase about odorous scales on the tip of the male's abdomen will probably be left in great doubt. He also wrote that the female sits on the male before mating, and then rubs her paws... NADA PRAVERYAT

There is, of course, a certain bundle of scales/hairs. But I don't know how androconial it is.

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05.02.2011 17:56, Valentinus

Dear colleagues!

What do you think about the status of Muschampia proto-M. proteides?
Here are butterflies from Dagestan.
Male: 17.07.2008, Dagestan, 15 km west of Makhachkala, Sarykum. (From the caterpillar)/Female: 19.07.2010, ibid. (From caterpillar) picture: Muschampia_proto_proteides.jpg

Based on the book "Mace-whiskered Lepidoptera". Europe " (Lvovsky and Morgun, 2007) M. proteides lives in the Crimea and in the South of Russia, which does not differ from M. proto in genitalia, but differs in a lighter wing color.
In the butterflies of Turkey (Hesselbarth et al., 1995), the authors write that both taxa live there, and in some places they are sympatric. Here is an illustration: picture: DSC09569.JPG

On the other hand, the essay by A. L. Devyatkin (Tuzov et al., 1997) provides only Muschampia proto for the territory of the former USSR. P. Gorbunov (2001) agrees with this position.
What are your opinions?

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