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03.08.2010 7:41, vaskar

Judging by the photos, your caterpillars have already had 2 successful molts - the photo shows L3 caterpillars
Maybe... But the fact that they were found in the egg state on July 22 confuses me a little smile.gifReally so fast?

03.08.2010 16:36, okoem

Maybe... But the fact that they were found in the egg state on July 22 confuses me a little smile.gifReally so fast?

I don't know about swallowtail, but for example Colias molt once every three days.
So it's still not too fast for you.

03.08.2010 20:41, vaskar

I came home from work - and on those, again new. You can even see the old skin there. Grow something painfully fast. eek.gif

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But they don't eat purchased dill. frown.gif

And here's another thing... Can you help me define today's find? Found on nettle confused.gif (clickable photo)

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This post was edited by vaskar - 03.08.2010 20: 42

03.08.2010 20:48, Бабочник

swallowtail at high temperatures grows by leaps and bounds, these are normal speeds.

03.08.2010 21:01, vaskar

Yes, we have temperatures-wow! Over thirty...
So, wait for pupation by the end of the week? smile.gif

03.08.2010 21:25, okoem

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03.08.2010 21:35, Бабистр

Good evening! On August 1, I pupated a swallowtail caterpillar. Can you tell me how long to wait for the butterfly to appear? I want to see it again this season... shuffle.gif

03.08.2010 22:19, okoem

Good evening! On August 1, I pupated a swallowtail caterpillar. Can you tell me how long to wait for the butterfly to appear? I want to see it again this season... shuffle.gif

I don't know about the swallowtail, but in general, diaries have pupal development in the order of 5 - 15 days.

03.08.2010 23:26, Бабочник

The non-diapausal swallowtail (doll) usually takes 10-14 days to develop.
if it's hot, it can be faster.
A caterpillar can grow from egg to pupa in 12 days.
In general, whether the pupa will hibernate or not is determined by the photoperiod.
By the way, too high temperatures have a bad effect on the caterpillars-the death rate begins from infections, for example, from nuclear polyhedrosis.
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04.08.2010 7:32, Alligator

Good evening! On August 1, I pupated a swallowtail caterpillar. Can you tell me how long to wait for the butterfly to appear? I want to see it again this season... shuffle.gif

You live in Moscow, you will definitely see this August generation. Just do not hang the pupa in direct sunlight, in nature they try to pupate in the shade.
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04.08.2010 9:08, vasiliy-feoktistov

From personal observations: I don't want to upset you, but a bummer with a swallowtail can easily be. In M. O. caterpillars are very riders like to populate (I do not get a swallowtail stably). I even posted a photo once: http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=948129

04.08.2010 17:29, Бабочник

The easiest way to breed swallowtails is to catch a female and get a mate.
Then grow caterpillars and all that stuff. And wild ones are very often infected, here pralna noticed...
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04.08.2010 22:04, okoem

Thank you. Unfortunately, my uncle did not come home too sober, and in the process I thought that it was something that started up in the blueberry twigs, so he released the caterpillar and cleaned the twigs from the eaten and left them in a jar = (((((Heh..I'll look for another one. And what is the best way to keep it?You mean in a bank or somewhere?)I haven't dealt with caterpillars yet."..

Take a plastic bottle of mineral water, 2l. Cut off the bottom. Turn it over. Inside, in the neck, insert twigs. Tighten the top with a net. Seal the neck with cotton wool. Place the ends of the twigs in a jar of water.
The method is very simple and convenient.

05.08.2010 10:06, Arikain

I have pupated 5 swallowtail caterpillars, the first two sometime in mid-July. One, the very first one, has already hatched, about a week ago, but the rest are not hatched, and the pupae do not change color, although they move. I keep them in the dark, although they are not attached to a twig, but just roll along the bottom of the jar, one only attached which slightly changed color. Does this mean that they are sick or infected with something? Or is it possible that they will be released soon? confused.gif Karelia.

Last year, one pupa saw that wintered, though pupated in mid-August.
Now it's hot, about 15-17 days have passed since the day of pupation, and they haven't even changed color frown.gif

05.08.2010 10:32, Alligator

I have pupated 5 swallowtail caterpillars, the first two sometime in mid-July. One, the very first one, has already hatched, about a week ago, but the rest are not hatched, and the pupae do not change color, although they move. I keep them in the dark, although they are not attached to a twig, but just roll along the bottom of the jar, one only attached which slightly changed color. Does this mean that they are sick or infected with something? Or is it possible that they will be released soon? confused.gif Karelia.

Last year, one pupa saw that wintered, though pupated in mid-August.
Now it's hot, about 15-17 days have passed since the day of pupation, and they haven't even changed color frown.gif


They change color depending on the place where they pupate, i.e. on a green plant, the pupa will be green, on a dark one-black and white, or if the pupa is ranging, it will most likely be gray, although not all. They will not change the color for a day or two through the shell of the pupa, you can see the color of the butterfly's wings. And since you keep them in the dark, they can fall into diapause. Attach them to twigs otherwise if they come out they probably won't spread their wings!
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05.08.2010 10:52, Arikain

They change color depending on the place where they pupate, i.e. on a green plant, the pupa will be green, on a dark one-black and white, or if the pupa is ranging, it will most likely be gray, although not all. They will not change the color for a day or two through the shell of the pupa, you can see the color of the butterfly's wings. And since you keep them in the dark, they can fall into diapause. Attach them to twigs otherwise if they come out they probably won't spread their wings!

Thanks! I could see the color of the wings of the first butterfly that appeared through the shell, but I didn't see the appearance itself. Now I will keep them in a bright place, they were lying on sawdust, so, apparently, such a light green and yellow color.
And how can they be carefully attached to a twig, otherwise I didn't really succeed?
One caterpillar, too, was different from the others. There were small, black spots all over her body :

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It has pupated, there are no spots on the pupa, it moves, it is alive in general. It would be interesting to know if this is such a disease, or is it related to something else?

05.08.2010 14:24, Alligator

For example, you can do this: the part of the pupa where the abdomen is formed is carefully tied to a twig with a thin piece of electrical tape or tape, so that the part of the pupa where the wings are formed is free of tape, and naturally the head is up. According to personal observations, if you hang pupae that by nature hang head up, head down, it happens that the hatching butterfly falls when hatching and does not spread its wings.
And as for the caterpillar with black dots, I can't say, I haven't encountered it, maybe someone else will say...
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05.08.2010 17:00, ilja

Hello! The pupa of this caterpillar has user posted imagebeen lying motionless for a month confused.gifnow . It's hard, brown. Is it necessary, or is she dead?

05.08.2010 17:37, okoem

Hello! The pupa of this caterpillar has been lying motionless for a month confused.gifnow . It's hard, brown. Is it necessary, or is she dead?

It happens that the pupae lie for two years.
If it's solid, it's either alive or dry. Try to see if the abdominal part bends. A live one should bend.
Sorry, you can't see the caterpillar in the photo.

05.08.2010 18:19, guest: илья

another photo, but not clearfrown.gif, and so you can see smile.gif user posted image

05.08.2010 18:19, BUTTERFLY

Hello! For a month now, the pupa of this caterpillar has been lying motionless confused.gif. It's hard, brown. Is it necessary, or is she dead?


I don't see a pupa in the photo, but a caterpillar. The photo is not very good, but you can see the caterpillar, not the pupa. If you've had it for a month, then of course it's dead.

This post was edited by BUTTERFLY - 05.08.2010 18: 20

05.08.2010 18:43, guest: илья

now everything is clear weep.gif

05.08.2010 18:54, guest: илья

no one knows if there are swallowtails or podaliriyas in Surgut?

06.08.2010 15:34, vaskar

As I understand it, butterflies don't grow. The size of the adult directly depends on the size of the caterpillar. And now the question is: is there any way to make the swallowtail caterpillars feed (and grow accordingly) and delay the beginning of pupation? Maybe highlight them or, there, lower the temperature of the content... confused.gif

06.08.2010 18:37, Бабочник

this is controlled by temperature.

07.08.2010 1:22, vaskar

So to extend the caterpillar stage, should the containment temperature be lowered or raised? And to what approximate limits?

07.08.2010 8:27, Admiral

vaskar Ivano-Frankivsk, Ukraine URL #704

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So to extend the caterpillar stage, should the containment temperature be lowered or raised? And to what approximate limits?
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Lower it.
Lower limit +10 +12 S
Optimal +18 +20 S

If you put +4 +6 C in the refrigerator, then
the caterpillars will not actively feed.

Higher temperature - faster development process.
Don't forget to maintain humidity
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07.08.2010 10:36, vasiliy-feoktistov

no one knows if there are swallowtails or podaliriyas in Surgut?

Ilya, you may still have a swallowtail in my opinion (with a big stretch), but there is definitely no podaliriya (the butterfly is purely southern).

07.08.2010 11:05, guest: Илья

I just found some caterpillars in the greenhouse. One caterpillar is black, with reddish-gray long hairs, and the second is the same size, but beige-sand color and with black dots. And on it, too, there are short hairs and also reddish black. Please help me determine the caterpillars, which butterflies will come out of them? Excuse me but I can't post a photo

07.08.2010 11:35, Бабочник

humidity is contraindicated for swallowtail and apollo. Wet food is generally a deadly hazard (almost 100% kirdyk).

07.08.2010 12:10, vaskar

07.08.2010 14:11, guest: Илья

Can anyone answer my question???
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07.08.2010 14:22, vasiliy-feoktistov

Can anyone answer my question???

You need a photo to determine it. According to the description, to identify caterpillars-to guess on coffee grounds.
Be patient, young man, be patient and learn to take pictures.

07.08.2010 15:08, okoem

still a picture, but it's not clearfrown.gif, and so you can see it smile.gif

What's there to see? shuffle.gif Just that it's a caterpillar, not anything else. The light longitudinal strip is visible. Ilya, there are many hundreds of caterpillars, and to determine them, you need pictures of if not excellent, then at least good quality.

I don't see a pupa in the photo, but a caterpillar. The photo is not very good, but you can see the caterpillar, not the pupa. If you've had it for a month, then of course it's dead.

- The question would be on the pupa obtained from the caterpillar that is in the picture.
"You're wrong about the caterpillar not being able to stay safely for a month. The caterpillars of some scoops before pupation diapause (lie motionless) for several months, and even six months.

vaskar Ivano-Frankivsk, Ukraine URL #704
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So to extend the caterpillar stage, should the containment temperature be lowered or raised? And to what approximate limits?
------------
Lower it.
Lower limit +10 +12 S
Optimal +18 +20 S

If you put +4 +6 C in the refrigerator, then
the caterpillars will not actively feed.


The question was not how to extend the caterpillar stage by itself, but how to extend the active feeding stage of the caterpillar in order to obtain the largest imago specimens possible.

This post was edited by okoem - 07.08.2010 23: 32

07.08.2010 15:33, vaskar

07.08.2010 23:44, okoem

Exactly, exactly! So, should you move the caterpillars to a cooler place or not?

IMHO, absolutely not worth it.
From my own experience, I can say that small imagos are obtained when the caterpillars do not have very good conditions of keeping, for example, a lack of feed.
Thus, to obtain large specimens, it is obviously necessary to provide excellent nutrition - the most "delicious" plant species, constantly change branches to fresh ones,and that the leaves are not old. Probably, some optimal humidity and temperature, as well as good ventilation, are also necessary.

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08.08.2010 0:40, vaskar

08.08.2010 1:12, BUTTERFLY

  
- The question would be on the pupa obtained from the caterpillar that is in the picture.
"You're wrong about the caterpillar not being able to stay safely for a month. The caterpillars of some scoops before pupation diapause (lie motionless) for several months, and even six months.


okoem, so the image of the pupa is not there, in the two pictures presented there is a caterpillar.
Or am I missing something? confused.gif

08.08.2010 11:27, okoem

okoem, so the image of the pupa is not there, in the two pictures presented there is a caterpillar.
Or am I missing something? confused.gif
For a month now, the pupa [obtained from] this caterpillar [see photo of the caterpillar] has been lying motionless confused.gif. It's hard, brown.

Of course, there is no picture of the pupa. For definition, it is not needed, the vast majority of pupae are practically indeterminate in appearance.

2 Ilya
The pupa, before the butterfly comes out of it, can lie for a month, two, or ten months. Please wait.

08.08.2010 12:07, guest: Илья

All right, I'll be waiting. Thanks!

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