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14.05.2011 18:02, Martix

Nothing works, no soil, no straw of paper, crawls and crawls, although it has been sitting motionless for more than a while, maybe it dies? frown.gif

14.05.2011 18:11, okoem

Nothing works, no soil, no straw of paper, crawls and crawls, although it has been sitting motionless for more than a while, maybe it dies? frown.gif

I don't know what a "paper straw" is. The paper should be crumpled so that she can get under it (in it).
At me etmii always without problems pupated.
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14.05.2011 18:17, Martix

I meant sliced paper smile.gif
It sits mostly under the lid of the cup.

14.05.2011 18:33, Hierophis

Well, I did not have such a thing, so that the caterpillar died due to the fact that there is no soil, I often forgot the scoop and hawk moth caterpillars somewhere, and they pupated there. And yet, the caterpillar can pupate without additional molts if it loses its food source.

Martix, so the paper had to be crumpled, compressed and slightly straightened. In such a paper, all the caterpillars pupate perfectly, and then the pupae are just as easily removed smile.giffrom there. The caterpillar can also die from over-drying, especially such a small one. So the soil in theory needs to be wet to put.
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14.05.2011 20:07, Martix

Yes, no, it's not dry, it seems, there is a leaf of a forage plant lying there and apparently there is a small humidity from it, this can be seen on the walls of the cup, as if condensate.
I removed the primer and paper, as it still sits on the lid. I looked closely at it, saw small threads around the caterpillar, perhaps for attachment, or perhaps for pupation...?
P.S. Yesaa, so no one probably wore such a small goose smile.gif

14.05.2011 20:23, Hierophis

"I looked closely at it, saw small threads around the caterpillar, perhaps for attachment, or perhaps for pupation...?"

Everything, the pupation process has already begun, so smile.gifeverything will be normal. but when I raised such caterpillars, the butterflies hatched then I think as much as next year.
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14.05.2011 20:24, Martix

Yesterday's photo:
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14.05.2011 20:28, Martix

14.05.2011 20:41, Hierophis

Yes, she may be looking for a suitable place, or maybe she is very often disturbed wink.gifIt is necessary to put her in a dark place and not come up for three dayssmile.gif Here are those caterpillars of bears before pupation for two days crawled, also cocooned and then left them, I think it's from anxiety. But if the metamorphosis has already begun, then it will end, in which position the caterpillar would not be.
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14.05.2011 20:50, Martix

Eh... Maybe... Okay, so I'll do smile.gifit for 3 days, I won't climb there at all, I'll put it in a poorly lit place, and I'll wait. And of course peeping smile.gifGlass is transparent=) Still put the bottom of the cup with wet soil, suddenly it will come in handy) Or is it better to remove it, in case the evaporation has a bad effect? I punctured the holes in the cup. smile.gif

14.05.2011 21:01, Hierophis

Soil in theory will not harm, but if there is condensation on the walls-then this is already superfluous!
By the way, I remembered that such caterpillars made a rather dense cover of cobwebs, so before pupating, it must make such a cover. So you don't need to interfere with it-peek smile.gif
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14.05.2011 21:11, Martix


By the way, I remembered that such caterpillars made a rather dense cover of cobwebs, so before pupating, it must make such a cover. So you don't need to interfere with her-peek smile.gif

wall.gif Okay, that's it, I did as you said, I won't even see a glass for 3 whole dayswall.gif.) Exactly 3 days later I will unsubscribe, at the same time I will not torment anyone with my questions smile.gif

14.05.2011 21:37, Hierophis

"3 whole days"
Would probably be a terrible 3 days.. if it were true )))
And if you do not look, it would turn out by analogy with Schrodenger's cat - "until we see the caterpillar, it is in two states at once-pupated and not pupated" smile.gif
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14.05.2011 22:18, Martix

"3 whole days"
Would probably be a terrible 3 days.. if it were true )))
And if you didn't look, it would be similar to Schrodenger's cat - "until we see the caterpillar, it is in two states at once-pupated and not pupated" smile.gif

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16.05.2011 15:37, Martix

Today I was going to transplant my leafworms to fresh leaves, and accidentally disturbed one in the process of pupation, I thought she was hiding, and she... I hope it doesn't affect, that's how it was when I caught it:
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And this is how I photographed it today:
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Another caterpillar has also grown up, probably soon it will also pupate smile.gif
When fishing:
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Here it is today:
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16.05.2011 16:58, okoem

And yet, the caterpillar can pupate without additional molts if it loses its food source.

Can not. The number of lines is strictly defined. For example, scoops have 5 of them. An under-fed one of the last age can pupate. But such pupae then often die.

on the walls of the cup, as if condensate.

There should be no condensation. It will die from excess humidity.

Now I got out of my threads and went again in search of something. I feel like she's hungry and looking for food wall.gif

She's not looking for food. She's looking for a dark, secluded place where she won't be disturbed. She probably got out because you bothered her.

Today I was going to transplant my leafworms to fresh leaves, and accidentally disturbed one in the process of pupation, I thought she was hiding, and she...

They look like perfectly normal leaves, and they don't need to be replaced. I wouldn't bother you again.
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16.05.2011 17:05, Martix

16.05.2011 23:30, okoem

The leaves are normal, but I was more concerned about where they were, and they were at the bottom of the cup, in the cotton wool, under the cotton wool water, the caterpillars made it all dirty, the leaves began to rot, I was afraid of poisoning-if it is of course possible... smile.gif

Wet cotton wool on the bottom is not very good. Increases humidity.
It is better not to tear the leaves from the branch. Put it in the water, according to the method that I already wrote about, right with the branch.

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17.05.2011 12:38, Hierophis

Can not. The number of lines is strictly defined. For example, scoops have 5 of them. An under-fed one of the last age can pupate. But such pupae then often die.


Well, in general, yes, I did not write correctly, I pupated possibly with the full number of molts, but some of the molts were idle - that is, without feeding between them. For example, I brought a caterpillar - it faded, then did not eat, faded again, and eventually pupated. It's happened before, that's for sure. And the butterfly came out, the swallowtail hatched about the size of a turnip, maybe a little more.
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17.05.2011 12:48, AntSkr

The number of lines is strictly defined.


I observed a very large number of molts when the food was not quite appropriate for cocoonworms (streblot fed thuja, but they ate it extremely poorly). The caterpillars practically did not grow (in the end, I did not even bring them to the pupa), but they molted a lot of times.
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17.05.2011 12:57, Hierophis

Well, in general, if we take general biological data, then on the one hand there is some approximately the same number of molts for the arthropod species in the case when there is some "milestone" in the development of this species, which needs to be extended. For example, males of bird-eating spiders molt approximately the same number of times for the species before they finally become males(with formed bulbs), and females also have an approximate number of molts before puberty.
But in theory, some kind of rigid mechanism that would clearly work, like-strictly Nnoe number of lines and after-start of the process-also no.
So personally, I already doubt that it is true - either there are fewer molts if you are under-fed, or there are as many molts As smile.gifyou need to make observations and count when growing from an egg, and a considerable sample, there is a lot of fuss.
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17.05.2011 13:07, Hierophis

By the way, I recently found such a beautiful caterpillar, and it turned into a very beautiful pupa. The color is very interstitial - a lot of pure white and contrasting spots on it.
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17.05.2011 14:59, Martix

17.05.2011 17:53, Martix

Recently, under the mown grass on the board I found baggies, unfortunately 2 of them apparently died from the sun and did not have time to pupate, but I took one home, I will wait for a butterfly smile.gif
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17.05.2011 17:57, Martix

Also, what can you recommend about moth eggs? Where should I put them yet? Last time, almost all the caterpillars got out of the box and ran away, I just didn't even know the approximate time of hatching. Can I put a feed plant using the okoem method, and put eggs on the plants? Then the caterpillars will start feeding immediately and will not run away... confused.gif

18.05.2011 14:56, Martix

The caterpillars will soon come out, what to feed please tell me. mol.gif I myself have not found any information on this type anywhere frown.gif

18.05.2011 18:23, Vis

By the way, I recently found such a beautiful caterpillar, and it turned into a very beautiful pupa. The color is very interstitial - a lot of pure white and contrasting spots on it.

Similar to Melitaea didyma (Esper, 1779)
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18.05.2011 23:35, okoem

Also, what can you recommend about moth eggs? Where should I put them yet? Last time, almost all the caterpillars got out of the box and ran away, I just didn't even know the approximate time of hatching. Can I put a feed plant using the okoem method, and put eggs on the plants? Then the caterpillars will start feeding immediately and will not run away... confused.gif

Pyadenitsa-Lithostege ?griseata. The caterpillar develops from the end of May to July, feeds on plants of the family. cabbage seeds -
http://www.plantarium.ru/page/view/item/13005.html
http://www.plantarium.ru/page/view/item/43042.html
http://www.plantarium.ru/page/view/item/43140.html
Glue together a small cone-shaped bag (about 1 cm) from paper, put eggs in it. Attach the bag to the forage plant.

At the expense of molts - I have never experimented with under-feeding. The animals always (when considered) shed "correctly".

Melitaea didyma-true. Indeed, perhaps the most beautiful pupa of our Lepidoptera.
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20.05.2011 14:19, Martix

The Ethmia fumidella caterpillar has finally pupated!))
Here:
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Thank you all for your valuable tips smile.gif

This post was edited by Martix - 05/20/2011 14: 29
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21.05.2011 14:39, Hierophis

Martix, well, three days have passed, and now three years to wait until the butterfly comes out )))
And from that beautiful chrysalis, the butterfly hatched. But it was not possible to release it, apparently the tree frog ate it in the terrarium.
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21.05.2011 15:30, Martix

23.05.2011 9:07, Вктория Викторовна

Saturnia pyri-this butterfly laid its eggs on my tulle! What should I do with them, how can I save them and not prevent them from developing?? What would an experienced lepidopterist do in this situation??

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23.05.2011 12:21, okoem

This butterfly laid its eggs on my tulle! What should I do with them, how can I save them and not prevent them from developing??

Use scissors to carefully cut out the necessary area of tulle. wink.gif
But seriously-carefully remove them from the tulle and put them in a cage with a forage plant or take them out into nature.

25.05.2011 15:03, Martix

A butterfly hatched!
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Here from this caterpillar:
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And here's what's left:
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Still pupated:
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From those eggs that the moth laid, the caterpillars successfully hatched, and they are happy to eat Sophiasmile.gif's Descuren
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25.05.2011 18:10, Arikain

I have in the south of Karelia already emerged from the pupa Phalera bucephala, two I don't know who, someone else, swallowtails, already the third, two more swallowtails left.
Makhaon:
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Waiting for the fourth:
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Phalera bucephala:
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I don't know:
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The second one is the same:
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Another one:
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26.05.2011 12:41, AGG

Please help me!
today, males of Saturnia Piri started coming out - I wanted to breed them. when will the females go?
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26.05.2011 21:42, captolabrus

The females will go later, maybe you should put the males in the refrigerator, to hold up to the females, not in the freezer. And everything should work out. beer.gif

26.05.2011 23:57, AGG

thank you! wink.gif we will stay + I will leave for 2 days (already sednya)

27.05.2011 0:05, AGG

and the male "on the wing" will survive? or waste it? from sin?

28.05.2011 14:59, okoem

and the male "on the wing" will survive? or waste it? from sin?
It will hold. What couldn't he stand, afagu? wink.gif

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