Saturnia pyri

Here and here I don't know anymore.

I moved them to a larger cage (100cm*50cm*40cm)

compared to the old

5 caterpillars shed again

This post was edited by Entomon - 05/18/2012 22: 08

But recently they were still very small

I have now shedding caterpillar L5, what is this supposed to mean???

Some of my spring experiments with Saturnia pyri
Hybrid-Saturnia pavonia Male x Saturnia pyri Female
Tracks L4 and L5

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Greetings to all from a new arrival. I looked at the topic and realized that pyri is not uncommon. Since childhood, I have dreamed of collecting this butterfly. Entomologist brothers! Help! One or two pairs each from different points! Unfortunately, there is nothing to exchange, 10 years or wherever I go,But I will be happy to buy ( for a reasonable price) Please respond! At least someone!

Good afternoon, Dima. I looked at the photos and couldn't resist writing. As I understand it, you output pyri in dozens . Is it possible to purchase multiple copies from you? Bred or caught, whatever.Please do me a favor.
Valeri

we went to Gelendzhik in early June 2010. one evening, a female Saturnia pyri flew into the gazebo-experienced people-why kill if it can "dream" she laid about 100-120 eggs. almost 100% successfully reached the pupae. the cage with pupae was lowered into the cellar and from the end of May to the middle of June of the following year, I got about 50% of butterflies. the rest of the cocoons were heavy and knowledgeable people said that it was good for them to freeze. in the fall, the remaining cocoons were packed in a box and put in a fruit bowl in the refrigerator, and when the temperature" overboard " dropped to -5, they moved to a cold shed for a couple of days. in mid - late May 2012, all the others were released. oddly enough, but larger than the previous ones. b. h. on razdolbaystvo, well, because I wanted to make a cocoon and exuvium for the collection, empty cocoons remained in the cage. so they successfully stood all winter in the house hands did not reach there last year successfully lived endromis, and this poplar hawkmoth and this morning I saw IT
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here are some damn metamorphoses

the conclusion that has already been skipped on the site - feed and leave alone, then they will figure it out for themselves-Mother Nature will tell you and you will run around with each geese-everyone will die. even in my short-term breeding experience, this is not the first time: I was looking for a bloody bear-horseradish, then I found a goose-I fed it-half of it died. one wound up and got out before the others somewhere under the floor and got out on the window intact, and the warhead of the pupae that I took care of came out clumsy

This post was edited by AGG-25.07.2013 17: 16

Roman, is this a pear-shaped saturnia that has just emerged from its chrysalis??? And wintered without "promorozki" in the house? This is what it turns out their pupae can lie for two winters?? Have you tried using an unfertilized female to attract Tambov male grushevs???

Oleg, read carefully: the first winter without frost in the cellar, the second-with promorozkoyi, the third-at home in the heat and here is a butterfly itself .. ate Sednya in the morning, TK thought that they all came out last year. moreover, from an egg in 2010 to a butterfly in 2013 - 3 winters.

in Tambov females did not walk, because it is comparable to fishing in a basin of soapy water as the director of the stadium, I can say for sure-there are no fish here pavonia, tau, but not piri, in any case, this is not the Volga region

This post was edited by AGG-25.07.2013 19: 08

The Penza region is related to the Volga region only in the eastern part - we do not find pear trees there(!??). We find them in Penza, south and west of Penza. I am sure that in the south of Tambov the species definitely lives. Having so many females and not trying them out in search of local males... wonders. If I had a dozen, I would have combed the whole area.
By the way, now just this species is still flying.

AGG, how did you feed the babies, how did you put them on fresh branches, what did you feed them? I have a lot of babies dead.

young people were given a choice of different plants:apple, pear, plum, and so on. they preferred the pear. on that and decided a little unclear why to transplant them because they have runoff legs just put a fresh branch next to it, so that it comes into contact with the old one and they themselves pass

Successfully mated, got eggs, and then caterpillars, but later (between the 1st and 2nd instars) all died in one night. This is definitely not an epidemic, tc with it they die gradually, but most likely poisoning, tc the food was not from my personal garden

Dear forumchane, good health to all! I have 20 cocoons of pyri in the fridge right now. I want to create an artificial population (I think this is quite likely in the Kharkiv region). Can you tell me what to do better? Maybe it makes sense to attach these cocoons right now immediately in the designated place for them, so that they can already spend the winter there, or, nevertheless, it's better to let them wait in the refrigerator for spring, hatch and mate, and then release the fertilized females (or plant small caterpillars). In connection with the 2nd scenario, another question is how best to moisten cocoons in the refrigerator (temperature +5, +10)?

elafron, I would think about the option of indoor mating, and then you can think about the scenario that would provide the most mass survival. The task is very interesting, but you need to be sure that the environmental characteristics are suitable for a stable population.
Farming is one of the most reliable ways, but it is also the most time-consuming, it is not just to achieve mating and breeding of caterpillars, but also to get several hundred cocoons by the end of the season, which can already be placed in the most favorable places for wintering in nature in terms of food. So that fruit trees are not in dachas nearby, are not exposed to pest control...

Hierophis, thank you so much for your advice. I don't know if I can handle a hundred tracks, but I can try. Where I'm going to put them, everything seems to fit. This is almost a hunting ground, but there are quite a lot of wild pears, apple trees, blackthorn in general are piled up, the places are not well-used.
Can you tell me how best to moisten the cocoons during wintering? I don't have the ability to freeze them outside (there is no balcony, 1st floor, and even Euro Windows, you can't put them between the frames). I put them in a box in the refrigerator, on several layers of napkins, which I spray out of a syringe every 1-2 weeks.

elafron, I alas never wintered saturn cocoons, but quite a lot of other pupae and cocoons wintered, both found in nature and after pupation of caterpillars, so, I always wintered on the balcony in my bee hive with thick walls, right in krobochki without humidification, wintering in the refrigerator for as long as I remember ended sadly- usually mildewed, so I can't recommend anything here..

I used to feed about 50 caterpillars at a time - and even an unpaired silkworm - in principle, if the food is rippled, right near the house, then there are no special problems)

Are you sure you don't have your own Saturnium Piri there? I've never seen them here, although in theory we have a lot of them, they just fly at night, it's not easy to determine their number and presence..

I want to create an artificial population (I think this is quite likely in the Kharkiv region).

elafron, any species can only live in the conditions that suit it. If the conditions are not suitable - release at least a thousand butterflies-the population will not arise.
If a species doesn't currently live in the place where you want to populate it, then it simply can't live there (unsuitable conditions). When there are suitable conditions, it will settle in on its own as soon as possible.
As for the conditions, the presence of forage plants is an insufficient condition for the existence of a population. The whole complex of conditions is important - seasonal and daily changes in temperature and humidity, winter minimum, duration of the frost period, etc. Various small differences that are invisible to humans can be fatal for the species. For example, in the Crimea, piri lives in the steppe part and does not live in the foothill part-although the climate is close and the plants are the same (cherry plum, etc.).
And Zorka Zegris lives only in the northern part of the steppe and does not live further south-although the ecological conditions in the south seem to be the same. Moreover, it used to live in the south of the steppe-but something changed and it disappeared in the south.

I want to create an artificial population (I think this is quite likely in the Kharkiv region).

Didn't you think that nature has already thought and determined its place for everything? Although it is not typical for a person (to think about nature) - HE WANTS TO! If you want to see these butterflies around you, breed them at home.

Subforum "insects in the house" and with your scale it is necessary in "Deliberate settlement of insects" http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=196284 but I still don't recommend it, Vladimir (okoem) has already said enough.

And why release butterflies on purpose??? In the Kharkiv region, Saturnia pyri probably already exists, but it is very rare.

  elafron, any species can only live in the conditions that suit it. If the conditions are not suitable - release at least a thousand butterflies-the population will not arise.

Well, this is actually not quite true, there is a bottleneck principle, and if you create a supermassive invasion of the same piri in a station in which previously, for some reason, single stray individuals were not recorded, although the conditions are close to those characteristic of the species, then with an invasion of, for example, half a thousand individuals, there may be a dozen of them those who will gain a foothold! These are the basics of introduction As far as I've read, Saturnia tends to settle, so the chances may be!

AGG, have you ever thought that in general, man has already changed nature so much that it is somewhat strange to say what nature thought? Pear saturnia is a species whose range includes the Kharkiv region, and it is very dense (CC of Ukraine), so the place is suitable for all criteria, including environmental protection, since this is an increase in the number of species officially recognized as vulnerable.
I understand, of course, that catching and drying butterflies is very useful for nature, but it's strange that not everyone is interested in this

They should be, but I've never seen them. Although at our latitude - in the Poltava region came across in the 70s (I saw from there brought both imago and pupa in a cocoon).

I have 20 cocoons of pyri in the fridge right now. I want to create an artificial population (I think this is quite likely in the Kharkiv region).

So why stop at Saturnia? For example, do you want to create an artificial population of the Amur tiger? I only ask you to warn me and inform me about the place of creation, if you decide: I travel a lot in the Kharkiv region, if possible it is in untrodden places, but I still want to live.

Seriously, I don't advise you to think about "artificial populations". In principle, this can have a negative impact on both native S. pyri (for example, if your specimens are infected with something) and other native species. Of course, 20 cocoons is a drop in the bucket, but you never know what. Maybe we should try to preserve what is still left in the natural world.

They should be, but I've never seen them. Although at our latitude - in the Poltava region came across in the 70s (I saw from there brought both imago and pupa in a cocoon).

As far as I know, S. pyri is regularly recorded, for example, in the Borovsky district; I think that the same is true throughout the steppe part of the region. There are also very rare and isolated finds from the forest-steppe part.

  

Seriously, I don't advise you to think about "artificial populations". In principle, this can have a negative impact on both native S. pyri (for example, if your specimens are infected with something) and other native species. Of course, 20 cocoons is a drop in the bucket, but you never know what. Maybe we should try to preserve what is still left in the natural world.

It's more like the grumbling of a venerable scientist in his office
At a time when Shell wells are plowing the expanses of the north.the harm caused by the creation of some hypothetical station micropopulation of an indigenous species in its characteristic range is discussed with a serious face in the east of Ukraine
In order to keep what's left in the breed, you need to eat less, consume a variety of goods and reproduce, that's right, something will save

Although the epithet "natural" is somewhat strange, and why this human influence is artificial, well, I never understand! If anyone has seen the badger city, they know that there is no grass growing within the burrows and piles of garbage are lying around. The human city is basically the same, only the scale is different..

Man by its naturalness is not much different from any Siberian Traps, the alleged eruption of kotroyh changed nature so that no oil magnate dreamed of,
the difference of course seems to be in the internal regulation of human activity, there are all sorts of high-sounding words about harmful populations, Red Books and other things, but IMHO))) for an outside observer of our human activity on the planet is not much different from some large scale eruption

How much is acute(?)smart thoughts read, but the advice of gentlemen scientists! I promise - there will be no Amur tiger (the Amur River will have to be turned back for a long time).

How much is acute(?)smart thoughts read, but the advice of gentlemen scientists! I promise - there will be no Amur tiger (the Amur River will have to be turned back for a long time).

Thank you. I'll walk quietly...

I may not have made a very good joke, but I did give you some serious advice about Piri. But it's up to you - I can't forbid you, of course. Just think about it...

As for the "gentlemen of scientists" - this is for Hierophis, he likes to hang up such labels.

Entomon, never open your saturnia cocoons the way you do! When a butterfly exits through the top of an undisturbed cocoon, the veins on its wings stretch out and they spread out normally.In the case when the top of the cocoon is broken, there is a high chance that the butterfly will not be able to spread its wings. If you need to open the cocoon, do it from the side, so that before hatching, you can place the pupa in it and wrap the broken wall of the cocoon with something, such as a plaster. This applies not only to S. pyri

Eh, I'm like this, it seems, a whole brood of pavonias killed Only one of the 8 spread its wings. The others didn't straighten out the Lesson for life.

PhilGri, I had an interesting experience in the spring. There are about two dozen last year's piri cocoons left, which I naturally opened to assess their condition. This spring, they started to hatch, so that's it. Of the hatched ones, about 1/3 only spread their wings, 1/4 of the pupae dried up, the rest did not spread out. It seems that only the strongest individuals simply spread their wings.

Join me, I will also buy cocoons of pear saturnia.

Buy in Ukraine cocoons of peacock-eyed pear.

there are 20 more cocoons available

Price?Igor what is it?

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12.2014
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One caterpillar did not begin to weave a cocoon, even trying to do it.

I got the lazy one
It will probably dry out.

alexdav, have you tried to catch fermion bait in the form of a homegrown female?