Saturnia pyri

Yes, it's about time.Don't worry about the cocoon-it will release the enzyme and dissolve it.

What, seriously? I've never heard of such a thing happening. It seems that the butterfly just spreads the threads at the top of the cocoon, and the cocoon just moves apart, this is the structure of the weave.

Yes, it's about time.Don't worry about the cocoon-it will release the enzyme and dissolve it.

What, seriously? I've never heard of such a thing happening. It seems that the butterfly just spreads the threads at the top of the cocoon, and the cocoon just moves apart, this is the structure of the weave.

So after all, do something with the cocoon or not? She won't hurt her wings while she climbs out?" )))

...and also
how to place it? Vertically, horizontally or whatever?

It is better not to put anything on the bottom of the box. In general, there should be nothing superfluous in it, and the more strictly this rule is observed,the more likely it is that the butterfly will hatch normally and not get damaged. For the same reasons, I have long ceased to place knotty sticks, twigs and everything else in brood cages, which quite often injures the butterfly. As an improvised cage for breeding such large species, I used rather spacious and high (at least 25-30cm.) cardboard boxes (for example, from under shoes), to the underside of the lid, approximately in the center, I glued twisted, fairly dense gauze "turundas"(3-4 pieces) placed on the bottom of the lid. at a distance of 12-15cm. from each other and descending to the very bottom. And the side walls of the box tightly, without sagging and gaps, pasted with a gauze layer. I checked the box (during the expected exit from the pupa) at least 2-3 times a day. Butterflies were always great.

And you can not open the cocoon in any case! (nature itself has already taken care of everything). If you open it, and even more so, take out the pupa, then there is a big risk that the butterfly will turn out to be a freak or, at all, will not be able to hatch (tested repeatedly!). The cocoon should ideally be in its original position, but since you have already moved it and cannot know where the head end of the pupa is in it, it is better to put it horizontally, slightly prituliv (without pressure) than either from the sides, for fixing.

At the moment of exit, the butterfly actually releases a substance that softens the cocoon threads.

This post was edited by Aaata - 14.04.2009 15: 15

I only have one of them, so I want to do everything right so that she will definitely fulfill her role this season...

I found a milk carton (which contained 12-liter packs).
I brought it from my dacha (in advance) two twigs-absolutely even, without knots-from the apple tree. I inserted them into the bottom of the box at a distance of about 15 cm from each other. Outside (and sides, respectively) covered the box with gauze - the fact is that this box does not have a lid and sidewalls only half on both sides, and on two - full walls. Gauze up extended the box in four places, as if increasing the height of the box.
The cocoon was placed near one of the solid walls, retreating from the gauze edge of 7 centimeters.

The bottom of the box is completely empty...

What else can and should be done?

This post was edited by solnyshko_a - 14.04.2009 16: 01

From the first time, not everyone succeeds, despite the apparent simplicity. Your option, too, is quite acceptable. Twigs without knots are good, but the absolute smoothness of their surface can be of poor service, and I would make cross-cuts on them. The fact that there is no lid on top is not a good option (unless you plan to be on duty at the box continuously), because a butterfly that has come out can crawl no one knows where outside the box (so it's not even an hour, you can accidentally step on it, ugh-ugh-ugh, of course). In addition, the presence of a cover makes the butterfly stop, stop looking for a more convenient place and start, in fact, to spread its wings. You can, in the end, tighten the top with gauze.

Good luck!

  Outside (and sides, respectively) covered the box with gauze

I don't know, maybe I misunderstood... The gauze must be pasted inside the box. I.e., completely cover the inner walls of the box with gauze so that the butterfly can climb up on them.
After pasting, the box should be well dried and ventilated, otherwise the drying glue can emit some caustic / toxic chemicals. Probably glue better usego PVA, it is in my opinion not poisonous.

Thank you all very much!!!!

With all you past holidays and Kuban, and even more precisely Gelendzhik spring to you!!! We have great )))

The question is still the same - my little only pupa )))

Tell me, how long should she lie down? When does a butterfly usually come out? And how to check (establish) its vital activity while it is still a pupa?

Just I have a quiet and peaceful and does not even think to go out exactly 2 weeks... Is this normal?

Let him lie down some more.I think,within a month(most likely less), it will come out.

Let him lie down some more.I think it will be released within a month(probably less).

So everything is fine? )))
Well, I'll wait, of course...

So everything is fine? )))
Well, I'll wait, of course...

Take the pupa in your hands. If it is very easy, then you should not wait any longer, no matter how painful it is to talk about it. If the pupa moves, it is alive. Then just put it back in its original place carefully.

Take the pupa in your hands. If it is very easy, then you should not wait any longer, no matter how painful it is to talk about it. If the pupa moves, it is alive. Then just put it back in its original place carefully.

But do it carefully, so as not to damage or strangle the pupa at all. In general, impatience for breeders is not the most useful quality.

When I weighed her 2 weeks ago, she weighed 6 grams!
Is this small or normal? When I put it in the refrigerator-7 grams...

When I weighed her 2 weeks ago, she weighed 6 grams!
Is this small or normal? When I put it in the refrigerator-7 grams...

Dried pupae are much lighter than live ones (I think twice, at least). In such a large species, this would be especially noticeable, even without weighing - just by placing it on the palm of your hand. The segments of the abdomen in dried-up animals are immobile.

  
Just I have a quiet and peaceful and does not even think to go out exactly 2 weeks... Is this normal?

It is ok. In Crimea, butterflies come out in mid-May. I think you have somewhere like that...

It is ok. In Crimea, butterflies come out in mid-May. I think you have somewhere like that...

Well, you are like an experienced breeder, and besides, a climatic countryman (almost ) can you tell me how to check my pupa for legal capacity?
I have her in a cocoon, so I don't really know if she's moving or not

How do I check my baby pupa for legal capacity?

Check so - wait for the deadline.

Before the butterfly leaves, the pupae do not move and can be fragile. Pupae need peace. The less you twist, twist and "check" them, the more likely you are to get a butterfly

Check so - wait for the deadline.

Before the butterfly leaves, the pupae do not move and can be fragile. Pupae need peace. The less you twist, twist and "check" them, the more likely you are to get a butterfly

Well, that's what I understand - an exhaustive answer! )))
I haven't touched it in two weeks and three days! ))) From the moment I pulled it out of the refrigerator and onto the balcony...

Thanks!

And by and large, the day of the butterfly's release should be marked with a salute.The entire forum has been following events for almost a year.

And by and large, the day of the butterfly's release should be marked with a salute.The entire forum has been following events for almost a year.

Ches word, I will inform you about it officially and immediately, as soon as the process begins!!! ))) And I'll post some more photos!!!

In the meantime, it remains to torment you all with questions )))

Rebiyayayataaa!!!
It's done!!!!
A butterfly was born!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I missed her birth, the process itself in the sense, but apparently tonight! Since I watched it last night , it was quiet!!!! And today I took a look. and she is sitting on the mtenka box so beautiful!!!!

Thank you all for your support and help!!! For participating in the fate of the new Saturnia pyri representative !!!

I don't know if it's a boy or a girl yet!!! tomorrow or the day after tomorrow I will post photos, as promised!!!!

Would you all still like to hear advice on where and when to release it, so that it is more likely to fulfill its life mission? How long will she live?

I would also like to hear suggestions on where and when to release it.
What conditions should I give her now? And how long will she live?

Release - today, at nightfall. It's better to go somewhere outside the city, otherwise it will fly into the light somewhere in the entrance and die.
I think it will live for about a month.

Release - today, at nightfall. It's better to go somewhere outside the city, otherwise it will fly into the light somewhere in the entrance and die.
I think he will live for about a month.

A whole month?!!!
Great! Tomorrow my brother comes to visit - I want to show a miracle )))
And by the weekend we are going to visit our parents - we will drive through the mountain and forest areas ))) I'll release it there.

As far as I know, she doesn't need to be fed?

A month? too much for non-feeding species... I experimented, for example, with bred cocoonworms, the male lives a maximum of a week, the female 3-4 days.

This post was edited by AntSkr - 25.05.2009 20: 36

A month? too much for non-feeding species... I experimented, for example, with bred cocoonworms, the male lives a maximum of a week, the female 3-4 days.

So this weekend we will find out whether the prisoner lived to see her release, or whether her sentence turned out to be a life sentence...

As far as I know, she doesn't need to be fed?

You don't need to feed him, but he'll be a mess in a week...

This post was edited by okoem - 05/25/2009 21: 22

The male differs from the female mainly in its whiskers.



The sad experience of this year shows that
individuals live in captivity for at least a short time.
3-5 days. They quickly lose activity.
Even an unfertilized female will start laying
"idle" eggs, and then die.
It should be released at least in the place where the caterpillar is found,
or near fruit orchards. The forest is not a good place.
And it may be too late to release it tomorrow.

Most likely, a sacrifice was made to the contemplation of a miracle.
That's the hard truth.
Leave the butterfly as a collector's item.


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So this weekend we will find out whether the prisoner lived to see her release, or whether her sentence turned out to be a life sentence...
You don't need to feed him, but he'll be a mess in a week...

Well... Are you scaring me? Or do you want to upset me? )))
I just want to take cool photos and let them go. And I'm not going to drive it around the box. I have a quiet one ))) Just now I've changed my place of deployment. - climbed to the other side of the box that gauze)))

By the way, how wide should the antennae of a female be?

And I'm not going to drive it around the box. I have a quiet one )))

She's the one who's quiet during the day. And he'll want to fly at night.
To avoid fraying, put it in the refrigerator overnight.

Egorus
I've never kept a saturn at home. I always thought that they live for a month, because they meet from mid-May to mid-June. Is the exit really that long?

The male differs from the female mainly in its whiskers.



The sad experience of this year shows that
individuals live in captivity for at least a short time.
3-5 days. They quickly lose activity.
Even an unfertilized female will start laying
"idle" eggs, and then die.
It should be released at least in the place where the caterpillar is found,
or near fruit orchards. The forest is not a good place.
And it may be too late to release it tomorrow.

Most likely, a sacrifice was made to the contemplation of a miracle.
That's the hard truth.
Leave the butterfly as a collector's item..

Do you breed Saturnium?

Is it really that bad? How long have you had them out?

You know, we found the caterpillar in general on the road, almost under the wheels of cars...
Is it safe to let out in the city? And why is the forest not the best place? And if in the country?

And what if it's raining again now? ...

Hooray!! Congratulations on the release of the butterfly!

Unfortunately, my colleagues are right. The butterfly will not wait for a photo shoot. It is designed to fly and, if it is not urgently placed in the refrigerator (this will not cause harm-such a "cold snap" is not uncommon in nature), then by morning it will almost certainly be shod so that it will not be recognized. Moths do not fly only in heavy rain and hail with hurricane-force gusty winds, and the usual rain does not interfere with them. If you have a female (it differs well from males with a mustache), then putting the cage on the balcony, or just opening the window, you can attract a bunch of males, they will fly even in the city center from all over the district, from a distance of several kilometers! (the famous Fabre experiment). And then you can take pictures of them. Or get offspring and raise butterflies.

solnyshko_a and
okoem have little Experience. I had butterflies
that were spontaneously and unintentionally obtained from
a Crimean female. The release started at the end of April.
Three males came out the day before yesterday. The most massive output.
They came out unevenly and singly. It was impossible
to have an active female and a male at the same time. In general, I
hoped for "nature", and did not change the temperature regime.
Perhaps that's why there was no one-time exit.
Although there are not very reliable oral data about the extended output
of this butterfly in our region.
It should also be noted that the small size of the terrarium, when feeding the caterpillars,
affected their size and, accordingly, the cocoons and butterflies turned out to be small
in size. More than sure, larger specimens live longer.
And from a caterpillar taken from nature before pupation, the butterfly should be
more resilient. But the male to the female is needed right away.
By the way, who did get out?
The full truth can, if they want, tell those who breed saturnium.
And more. Caterpillars, although there are exceptions, feed on the leaves of fruit trees.
Therefore, the cottage is suitable, but I repeat, we need a couple. And if it is not in the area, then
no "pheromones" will not help.

More than sure, larger specimens live longer.

Why do you think so? Smaller sizes don't mean less resilience.

Hooray!! Congratulations on the release of the butterfly!

Unfortunately, my colleagues are right. The butterfly will not wait for a photo shoot. It is designed to fly and, if it is not urgently placed in the refrigerator (this will not cause harm-such a "cold snap" is not uncommon in nature), then by morning it will almost certainly be shod so that it will not be recognized. Moths do not fly only in heavy rain and hail with hurricane-force gusty winds, and the usual rain does not interfere with them. If you have a female (it differs well from males with a mustache), then putting the cage on the balcony, or just opening the window, you can attract a bunch of males, they will fly even in the city center from all over the district, from a distance of several kilometers! (the famous Fabre experiment). And then you can take pictures of them. Or get offspring and raise butterflies.

Thank you for your congratulations )) It's nice that my joy gives birth to a similar one in your hearts )))
She is sitting on a balcony with an open window in my cage...
It's not particularly hot in our country yet, and now it's just raining down, but not for long. And she silits quietly, crawled (or flew?) to the other side... Smooth and not shabby.

I don't even know when exactly she was born?!!! Tonight?...

Her sawyere isn't wide, so it's a girl? But not a single male has arrived yet )))

I'm just thinking...

And what if it's raining again now?...

In the rain, butterflies are just very active (i.e. they fly).

Perhaps because of the downpour, your butterfly is sitting still (they can feel it) and the males haven't arrived yet for the same reason...(the probability is that they simply don't exist in a district with a radius of 10-11 km. very small).

Summer is favored only by a light rain-a little rain in warm windless weather. In a downpour (even with interruptions), nothing flies.

  
...And from a caterpillar taken from nature before pupation, the butterfly should be
more resilient. But the male to the female is needed right away.
By the way, who did get out?
The full truth can, if they want, tell those who breed saturnium.
And more. Caterpillars, although there are exceptions, feed on the leaves of fruit trees.
Therefore, the cottage is suitable, but I repeat, we need a couple. And if it is not in the area, then
no "pheromones" will not help.

That's the whole point, that my goose is "natural" )))
Found on the street, already at the 4th age, in the evening. And in the morning, she pupated with us....

And now here is such a beauty!!!!

According to your photos, like the girl I have ))) He sits still on the gauze wall of the cage... It's not hot on the balcony - we've had a heavy and cool rain, so maybe she doesn't need a refrigerator?

I don't even know when exactly she was born?!!! Tonight?...

Her sawyere isn't wide, so it's a girl? But not a single male has arrived yet )))

Moths emerge from their pupae in the evening.
The males didn't arrive - maybe it's just not summer today. I recently spent two evenings shining a lamp at a friend's house in Azov, but there was not a single Saturnia. Although the saturniums themselves are already out (the owner of the house caught one for us, before arriving).

Perhaps because of the downpour, your butterfly is sitting still (they can feel it) and the males haven't arrived yet for the same reason...(the probability is that they simply don't exist in a district with a radius of 10-11 km. very small).

I hope so too )))
After all, in the Krasnodar Territory there is enough of this type!

Summer is favored only by a light rain-a little rain in warm windless weather. In a downpour (even with interruptions), nothing flies.

What if she turned on the light at night?