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16.06.2009 21:54, Алексей Сажнев

Silverberg has Chrysomela (Melasoma) vigintipunctata, which seems to be more modern. Maybe not in the points of the case, but I made a mistake with the view?

16.06.2009 21:56, Алексей Сажнев

Agapanthia would be on top of the photo, so fluffy ))) well, by the mustache, I would also say dali. Beetle from where? If the Moscow region, then there is no other option.

This post was edited by Alexey Sazhnev - 06/16/2009 21: 58

16.06.2009 22:10, omar

In this melasoma, the dots are very variable, they can disappear altogether or merge into large spots. It is ok. If the region is Moscow, then the discovery of dali is of great interest.
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16.06.2009 22:17, Алексей Сажнев

Agapanthia dahli was noted in the MO in 2005 in the literature (M. L. Danilevsky) on the collections of 2002, indeed the species is more southern, but with our warmer winters, why not ))

16.06.2009 23:00, omar

It seems to be only one instance so far. From the words of Mikhail Leontyevich himself.

16.06.2009 23:09, Алексей Сажнев

The author of the photo would know exactly the Moscow region or not? If MO, then it is really interesting, if 1 copy. If it is known for 7 years, it will be useful to know where, when, where exactly the beetle was found, and how many specimens.

This post was edited by Alexey Sazhnev - 06/16/2009 23: 12

16.06.2009 23:26, RippeR

strong yellowishness reminds kirbyi ...?! I think the photo is better to send Danilevsky, with the exact label.

16.06.2009 23:39, Алексей Сажнев

kirbyi is wider, darker, the pubescence is quite different, the pronotum is dark, the stripes are narrower and more contrasting in kirby, and for MO it is unlikely, kirby is caught only on mullein

17.06.2009 3:08, VSB

[Alexey Sazhnev,Fornax13, omar, RippeR]: Gentlemen, initially I want to apologize for not writing where the pictures were taken, which led to a discussion. The message was sent to the site from the third time, for some reason images were not accepted, and the first part of the message was sown during this process. Everything was shot in Chelyabinsk , in one of the groves of the city in June of this year, more precisely on June 14-16.For some reason, I had no doubts about No. 1 (I attach the top view), this beetle came across me three times in the last week and was shot three times, respectively, so there are different types.Relative to the size of No. 4, a small beetle, 8 millimeters . Regarding #2 - I got it not on sorrel, but on burdock. Got caught for the second time in a week and the second time on burdock.Very careful beetle For the first time I did not have time to remove it, as it rolled down nicely on a leaf in the grass and was gone. Thank you all very much, I'm sorry that I didn't connect earlier, but we have a two-hour time difference with Moscow ...

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17.06.2009 3:31, VSB

I looked in the Internet pictures of Lixus bardanae, its color is yellow, in my case (photo # 2) red .

17.06.2009 7:51, Алексей Сажнев

Agapanthia dahli 100%, looks like a male

This post was edited by Alexey Sazhnev - 17.06.2009 08: 13
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17.06.2009 7:52, Алексей Сажнев

I looked at pictures of Lixus bardanae on the Internet, its color is yellow, in my case (photo # 2) red .


Lixus bardanae is quite variable in color variations, so this is not an indicator)

17.06.2009 8:02, Serg Svetlov

[Alexey Sazhnev,Fornax13, omar, RippeR]: Gentlemen, initially I want to apologize for not writing where the pictures were taken, which led to a discussion. The message was sent to the site from the third time, for some reason images were not accepted, and the first part of the message was sown during this process. Everything was shot in Chelyabinsk , in one of the groves of the city in June of this year, more precisely on June 14-16.For some reason, I had no doubts about No. 1 (I attach the top view), this beetle came across me three times in the last week and was shot three times, respectively, so there are different types.Relative to the size of No. 4, a small beetle, 8 millimeters . Regarding #2 - I got it not on sorrel, but on burdock. Got caught for the second time in a week and the second time on burdock.Very careful beetle For the first time I did not have time to remove it, as it rolled down nicely on a leaf in the grass and was gone. Thank you all very much, I'm sorry that I didn't connect earlier, but we have a two-hour time difference with Moscow ...


Well, doubts have disappeared -dahli

17.06.2009 8:50, PG18

Please help me decide on two ground beetles. The coast of the Caspian Sea near the city of Aktau, April 22 of this year.

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17.06.2009 9:38, VSB

Regarding the barbel, given your general confidence, I agree, and I keep the pictures under this name. It is interesting that the reference guide "Beetles of the Middle Urals" (Yekaterinburg, 2008) does not mention Agapanthia dahli at all, but only speaks about Agapanthia villosoviridesctns and specifically in relation to the Southern Urals.

17.06.2009 9:45, Алексей Сажнев

Mustache look what, on the third or fourth segments visible tufts of black hairs, villosoviridesctns this is not ) Both species have very, very large ranges, and should be found throughout the Urals.

This post was edited by Alexey Sazhnev - 17.06.2009 09: 50

17.06.2009 9:51, Bad Den

Please help me decide on two ground beetles. The coast of the Caspian Sea near the city of Aktau, April 22 of this year.

Left Cymindis of some
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17.06.2009 10:33, RippeR

the fact that agapantia was given - there is no doubt, the bright yellow color of the mustache, paws, bottom!

17.06.2009 11:11, barry

I read some philosophical arguments about dahli here... I think I've got a stranger in the villosoviridescens crowd, too... smile.gif

07.06.2008. Kharkiv.
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17.06.2009 11:21, Алексей Сажнев

I would say Agapanthia dahli
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17.06.2009 12:32, VSB

(Alexey Sazhnev): I wrote that I agreed with you, but as for the book mentioned, this is not as an argument against it, but as an explanation of the logic of my original decision. This is what makes this site so good that you can clarify what you thought was proven. Once again, thank you Alexey and everyone who participated in the discussion for this. Looking through all the shots of this beetle, I found that there were probably two beetles, at least the one below is strikingly different from all those similar to the previous one. What are your opinions about this barbel? Could it be Phytoecia icterrica?

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17.06.2009 12:46, barry

In sysle not cylindrica? This one is icterica.

17.06.2009 12:51, PG18

It is interesting that the reference guide "Beetles of the Middle Urals" (Yekaterinburg, 2008) does not mention Agapanthia dahli at all, but only speaks about Agapanthia villosoviridesctns and specifically in relation to the Southern Urals.

Sorry, it says only "One of several hard-to-distinguish species of stalk barbel (Agapanthia) found in the southern Urals" under villosoviridescens. For the Middle Urals (in fact, it lies entirely in the southern half, even in the southern third of the Ural Range), villosoviridescens is typical. It would be against the rules to give both types in this supposedly popular book. We were strongly restrained in volume...
A. dahli still leaves the impression of a steppe species, with an optimum in the steppe. Today I came to the conclusion that a specimen from the desolate steppes (semi-deserts) of Western Kazakhstan (Aktolagay plateau, 47 degrees latitude) is also dahli. Or not? Here's a photo:
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It is curious how far it goes south and where the steep Turanian agapantis begin... There is one copy. from the Karynzharyk sands (42 degrees latitude, almost at the northern border of Turkmenistan). But he's at work. I'll check it out tomorrow.

This post was edited by PG18-17.06.2009 13: 02

17.06.2009 12:57, Stavropolec

Guys, take a look at my penultimate batch of zhuzheletsconfused.gif : wall.gif
Although 17 is not a ground beetle. All Stavropol Territory.
17.18-4 mm.
2-5 mm
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. 9, 11-7 mm
. 5, 12 - 9 mm.
10, 14-10 mm
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. 15, 16-14 mm.

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17.06.2009 13:20, PG18

Looking at the interest in grass barbels, phytocium (if I'm not mistaken) from Aktolagai (cretaceous plateau in Western Kazakhstan) decided to post on the definition:

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May 25 of this year. Collected on Carduus uncinatus. The length is 7.5 and 10-11 mm, respectively.

17.06.2009 13:23, Bad Den

The second one is like Agapanthia violacea

17.06.2009 13:26, Алексей Сажнев

(Alexey Sazhnev): I wrote that I agreed with you, but as for the book mentioned, this is not as an argument against it, but as an explanation of the logic of my original decision. This is what makes this site so good that you can clarify what you thought was proven. Once again, thank you Alexey and everyone who participated in the discussion for this. Looking through all the shots of this beetle, I found that there were probably two beetles, at least the one below is strikingly different from all those similar to the previous one. What are your opinions about this barbel? Could it be Phytoecia icterrica?


Yes it is Phytoecia icterica
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17.06.2009 13:28, Bad Den

2 Stavropolec:
1,3 - Oxypselaphus obscurus (Herbst, 1784)
16 - Pterostichus ? oblongopunctatus
17 - Aderidae gen.sp.
18 - Asaphidion sp.
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17.06.2009 13:29, Алексей Сажнев

Sorry, it says only "One of several hard-to-distinguish species of stalk barbel (Agapanthia) found in the southern Urals" under villosoviridescens. For the Middle Urals (in fact, it lies entirely in the southern half, even in the southern third of the Ural Range), villosoviridescens is typical. It would be against the rules to give both types in this supposedly popular book. We were strongly restrained in volume...
A. dahli still leaves the impression of a steppe species, with an optimum in the steppe. Today I came to the conclusion that a specimen from the desolate steppes (semi-deserts) of Western Kazakhstan (Aktolagay plateau, 47 degrees latitude) is also dahli. Or not? Here's a photo:
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It is curious how far it goes south and where the steep Turanian agapantis begin... There is one copy. from the Karynzharyk sands (42 degrees latitude, almost at the northern border of Turkmenistan). But he's at work. I'll check it out tomorrow.


Yes, I agree with you that this is Dali

Danilevsky gives the following distribution for Dali, with reference to Asia-Republics of Central Asia (Kirgizia, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan), Kazakhstan - in more detail - ?Georgia, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan,?Mongolia
but it should be taken into account that the division goes by region and it is not necessary that the species is found in all republics.

This post was edited by Alexey Sazhnev - 17.06.2009 13: 52

17.06.2009 13:35, Алексей Сажнев

Looking at the interest in grass barbels, phytocium (if I'm not mistaken) from Aktolagai (cretaceous plateau in Western Kazakhstan) decided to post on the definition:

May 25 of this year. Collected on Carduus uncinatus. The length is 7.5 and 10-11 mm, respectively.


the first beetle I would say Phytoecia virgula (Charpentier, 1825)
and the second probably Agapanthia veolacea or worn intermedia, the latter has metepisternae in white pubescence, and long black erect hairs only on the base of the elytra, while in violacea they reach the middle.

and given that intermedia is apparently a monophage and develops on Knautia arvensis,I think it's still veolacea. I hope I didn't confuse you )

This post was edited by Alexey Sazhnev - 17.06.2009 14: 28
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17.06.2009 14:43, PG18

Alexey, thank you for your help! Not confused. Only violacea [via i], of course...
I found your "Atlas of ladybirds of the subfamily Coccinellinae Latreille, 1807 of the Saratov region" online. Do you recognize them from Ustyurt? Signed correctly?

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17.06.2009 14:54, Алексей Сажнев

Pavel, thank you for correcting the typo ))
I think yes, everything with cows is correct, only variegata like Hippodamia, and Adonia is a subgenus.
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17.06.2009 16:01, Phoenix Saratov

Please help me identify an elephant (most likely Otiorhynchus)

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17.06.2009 16:05, Алексей Сажнев

I assume it's Otiorhynchus velutinus or something close

This post was edited by Alexey Sazhnev - 17.06.2009 16: 07

17.06.2009 16:18, omar

2 Stavropolec:
1,3 - Oxypselaphus obscurus (Herbst, 1784)
16 - Pterostichus ? oblongopunctatus
17 - Aderidae gen.sp.
18 - Asaphidion sp.

Where are the Aderidae?
These are the Salpingidae Salpingus planirostris species
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17.06.2009 16:23, Алексей Сажнев

I agree with Salpingus planirostris
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17.06.2009 16:32, Bad Den

Where are the Aderidae?
This is Salpingidae Salpingus planirostris see

Got it wrong smile.gif

17.06.2009 16:39, omar

Stavropolek
6 Amara ? familiaris
12 Ophonus azureus
11 Acupalpus elegans
13 Calathus fuscipes rather what size?
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17.06.2009 20:32, RippeR

Agapanthia probably incerta, I can't say for sure about Kazakhstan.

The same goes for dahliya. It looks like it, but I won't say for sure, since I don't know the local fauna.. There are many of them in the Epoptes subgenus..

Phytoecia virgula.

17.06.2009 21:01, Алексей Сажнев

In my opinion incerta Plavilstshikov, 1930 is not known for Kazakhstan

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