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13.11.2007 23:16, gumenuk

There are still three ambiguously defined ones left

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13.11.2007 23:38, Vlad Proklov

There are still three ambiguously defined ones left

2, 3 - Emmelina monodactyla
The first one might be the same, but I have my doubts...
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13.11.2007 23:47, gumenuk

2, 3 - Emmelina monodactyla
The first one might be the same, but I have my doubts...


The small stuff is over. The next two are mottled birds, then cocoonworms. After all, I use snapshots, not keys, so I can't determine everything on my own. You must forgive my importunity.
You will be in our area-I invite you to visit. If in the summer, then to the dacha, there we will go fishing and take pictures. With all amenities: there is a TV on the street, a bait lamp is lit nearby. Krasoten! Yes, and the forest and field are also rich in various creatures.
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13.11.2007 23:52, Vlad Proklov

The small stuff is over. The next two are mottled birds, then cocoonworms. After all, I use snapshots, not keys, so I can't determine everything on my own. You must forgive my importunity.
You will be in our area-I invite you to visit. If in the summer, then to the dacha, there we will go fishing and take pictures. With all amenities: there is a TV on the street, a bait lamp is lit nearby. Krasoten! Yes, and the forest and field are also rich in various creatures.

So that's what this topic is about smile.gif
Thank you, with pleasure - maybe in a couple of years...

14.11.2007 12:21, gumenuk

Tell me what kind of mottled spots are on the pictures

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14.11.2007 12:36, Michail M

Hi! Help me identify the rainbow. This specimen was caught in the steppe zone of Ukraine (Zaporozhye region) in the meadow cenosis. Genital structures are similar to those of Melanargia galathea. Perhaps someone knows about finding such instances. I would like to discuss it.

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14.11.2007 13:48, Vlad Proklov

Hi! Help me identify the rainbow. This specimen was caught in the steppe zone of Ukraine (Zaporozhye region) in the meadow cenosis. Genital structures are similar to those of Melanargia galathea. Perhaps someone knows about finding such instances. I would like to discuss it.

This is an aberrative ex. Galatea.

14.11.2007 13:51, Vlad Proklov

Tell me what kind of mottled spots are on the pictures

This is a very fig idea - five-point mottled birds can be identified from the photo.

1 - if small, then Z. viciae; if not very, then either Z. lonicerae or Z. angelicae.
2 - one of the forms of one of the above types.

This post was edited by kotbegemot - 11/14/2007 13: 52
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14.11.2007 14:47, svm2

Mottled birds are different, at least on the mustache.
2 - most likely minos / purpuralis
1-I would exclude angelicae-it has at least a little white scales at the end of the antennae
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14.11.2007 15:24, gumenuk

There are two cocoonworms that I can't clearly identify

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14.11.2007 15:43, svm2

1-Dendrolimus pini
2-Malacasoma castrensis
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14.11.2007 16:04, gumenuk

1-Dendrolimus pini
2-Malacasoma castrensis

Thank you. I was confused by a slightly different coloring

14.11.2007 16:26, gumenuk

Who's that hiding?"

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14.11.2007 16:30, svm2

Mythimna ferrago I guess
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14.11.2007 16:37, gumenuk

Mythimna ferrago like


I looked at the images on Google - it's very similar. Thank you.

14.11.2007 17:02, gumenuk

Is it a moth? Which one?

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14.11.2007 17:06, svm2

Odontoptera bidentata
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14.11.2007 18:43, okoem

Red speckled eggs - it's very simple! At least in the Crimea!:-)) I caught and redefined a lot of them! Unfortunately, I am not familiar with their fauna near Moscow. But you can try it;-) And so...
According to the first mottled bird , Zygaena viciae is not listed in Sirotkin's list for the Moscow region (and it doesn't quite look like it), and Zygaena lonicerae has smaller spots and more pointed wings than the butterfly in the photo. I would say that this is a male Zygaena trifolii or Zygaena meliloti, but I don't know how to distinguish them.
According to the second mottled bird, Zygaena purpuralis is not suitable for the shape of spots, Zygaena minos is suitable, but Sirotkin is not included in the list (besides, it is a steppe species), so only Zygaena scabiosae (male) remains from similar species.

14.11.2007 18:59, gumenuk

Red speckled eggs - it's very simple! At least in the Crimea!:-)) I caught and redefined a lot of them! Unfortunately, I am not familiar with their fauna near Moscow. But you can try it;-) And so...
According to the first mottled bird , Zygaena viciae is not listed in Sirotkin's list for the Moscow region (and it doesn't quite look like it), and Zygaena lonicerae has smaller spots and more pointed wings than the butterfly in the photo. I would say that this is a male Zygaena trifolii or Zygaena meliloti, but I don't know how to distinguish them.
According to the second mottled bird, Zygaena purpuralis is not suitable for the shape of spots, Zygaena minos is suitable, but Sirotkin is not included in the list (besides, it is a steppe species), so only Zygaena scabiosae (male) remains from similar species.

The first one I identified as clover.
The second pestryanka I shot in the Vladimirskaya obasti naa vyrubkakh

14.11.2007 19:06, Pavel Morozov

The second mottled bird is more likely minos

14.11.2007 19:15, Vlad Proklov

Red speckled eggs - it's very simple! At least in the Crimea!:-)) I caught and redefined a lot of them! Unfortunately, I am not familiar with their fauna near Moscow. But you can try it;-) And so on...

Oh, winder trees!.. By item.

1) Z. viciae is given by Sirotkin under the old name Z. meliloti. It is one of the most common species of the genus in the MO.

2) Z. trifolii is given by both Sirotkin and Solntsev for central Russia in error. This is a Western European Atlantic spring species. All references to it for MO are from the evil one smile.gif

3) Of the two Z. purpuralis/Z. minos twins, only Z. minos is known in MO. Purpuralis was given at a time when they were not distinguished.

14.11.2007 19:22, Vlad Proklov

Mottled birds are different, at least on the mustache.
2 - most likely minos / purpuralis
1-I would exclude angelicae-it has at least a little white scales at the end of the antennae

Thanks for the sign with the white scales -- I didn't know.

So either Z. lonicerae or Z. viciae -- which differ perfectly in size in nature, but in the photo, after all, as the PMF said, you can not understand on this topic...

14.11.2007 20:57, okoem

Hm... and that's what I thought at first-viciae and minos. And I pulled the same devil in Sirotkin to look - I look, and there are no such views...
In this case, if trifolii disappears, then meliloti remains = viciae. In lonicera, the wings are sharper, and the spots are usually smaller.

The second mottled bird looks like a typical male Zygaena minos, when compared with Crimean specimens. But how this species differs from Zygaena scabiosae - or maybe from some other species that Sirotkin does not give - I do not know.

14.11.2007 21:03, Vlad Proklov

Hm... and that's what I thought at first-viciae and minos. And I pulled the same devil in Sirotkin to look - I look, and there are no such views...
In this case, if trifolii disappears, then meliloti remains = viciae. In lonicera, the wings are sharper, and the spots are usually smaller.

The second mottled bird looks like a typical male Zygaena minos, when compared with Crimean specimens. But how this species differs from Zygaena scabiosae - or maybe from some other species that Sirotkin does not give - I do not know.

And scabiosae is now called osterodensis. She's completely different...

14.11.2007 21:05, Vlad Proklov

By the way, lonicerae in the Moscow region-oh, changeable. In particular, its blunt-winged specimens were taken for trifolii.

14.11.2007 21:08, Vlad Proklov

And in this photo - after all, really Z. viciae. The rounded apex of the forewings and the red spots are slightly removed from it.

14.11.2007 22:44, okoem

Vitsiya-vitsiya! The wings are rounded, the spots are large. Especially now reviewed their straightened mottled:- )
And I have scabiosae/osterodensis only in Lampert. And there is not much to consider...
At the expense of variability-yes...
I put out a sign for determining the Crimean motley birds - once I made it up myself... It is clear that it is very incomplete, and it is suitable mainly for typical instances, but it may be useful to someone...

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15.11.2007 7:07, Juglans

Vietnam, May, flew into the light. Pretty ordinary thickheads.

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15.11.2007 7:35, Ekos

Vietnam, May, flew into the light. Pretty ordinary thickheads.


Fatheads flying into the light? eek.gif
I am not fond of South Asian butterflies, but it looks like our species from the genera Parnara and Polytremis.

15.11.2007 9:37, gumenuk

I want to get updates on these three steps:

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15.11.2007 10:02, Vlad Proklov

I want to get updates on these three steps:

1 - Antonechloris smaragdaria
2 - Hylaea fasciaria
3 - Thalera fimbrialis
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15.11.2007 10:03, svm2

to okoem: minos/purpuralis differ in the mace shape of the antennae in my opinion, but I don't have enough minos to claim this. If you don't mind, take a look.

15.11.2007 10:51, gumenuk

The reference books I use (Helgard, Tykach, Lampert Sovremennyj, etc.) do not allow us to define everything unambiguously. So I turn to this site) confused.gif

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15.11.2007 10:55, svm2

Plagodis pulveraria
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15.11.2007 11:13, barry

An unexpected guest today...
About 7 mm. Kharkiv.
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15.11.2007 11:24, gumenuk

Moscow Region, June 6

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15.11.2007 12:37, RippeR

Juglans:
I want to go to Vietnam, so that the fatheads fly to the light jump.gif
Ecos ' comment is, in my opinion, quite fair, but what kind of species are there in Vietnam?. not known.

15.11.2007 14:43, svm2

Pennithera firmata

15.11.2007 16:03, okoem

to okoem: minos/purpuralis differ in the mace shape of the antennae in my opinion, but I don't have enough minos to claim this. If you don't mind, take a look.

Yes, I don't have a series either. I have straightened material usually does not stay long - I give it to a friend in the collection. But judging by the two minos and the two purpuralis I have on my hands right now, there's no difference in the sawyere. In general, other types of red mottled mustaches differ markedly.

15.11.2007 17:38, Alexander Zarodov

Then there was an indeterminate leaflet that had flown into the apartment.
Moscow, September 26. Maybe Cydia pomonella ?

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