Identification of Lepidoptera (Butterflies and Moths)

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29.02.2008 11:14, Трофим

Question on arginis. Maybe just everything, but I'm already fed up with these 2 types.
I watched both Nekrutenoko and Korshunov. I came to the conclusion that the first butterfly is:
1) Argynnis adippe f. cleodoxa (as there are silver spots, subspecies) In my opinion ♂
2) Argynnis niobe niobe (that's just a question, the spot is in the basal area, but only from above, from below it is generally a wilderness). In my opinion too ♂
Please help – I turn to specialists. Definition tipo most likely yes.... or well, probably-does not roll. If someone knows, please answer as fully as possible with arguments, and even better, copy my photos again, and underline, circle in red those areas that you need to pay attention to.

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29.02.2008 13:28, Andylog

In my opinion, both are adippe females. Caught where?

The presence/absence of dots in the central cell of the rear wing - yes, this feature appears in some determinants, but according to my observations, it does not work. Females of adippe and niobe are distinguished by the general color of the top (niobe is usually darker, brighter, adippa is light red, as in the photo), by the color of the underside of the apex of the forewing (dark - light), by the shape of the wing(adippa is more rounded), by the presence/absence of a dark double marginal line from the underside hind wing (in niobe it is more pronounced, often blurred, which does not happen in adippa, in adippa it is sometimes reduced, almost imperceptible). In other words, a set of attributes works. I would like to hear the opinion of other entomologists.

By the way, some time ago in the section photos of mother-of-pearl Konung exhibited a photo of a female Argynnis niobe / adippe from the Omsk region. With the exception of general aberrative dimming, all signs also point to adippe, in this I agree with PG18.

p. s. cleodoxa is not a subspecies, but a form

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29.02.2008 14:04, Vlad Proklov

Question on arginis. Maybe just everything, but I'm already fed up with these 2 types.
I watched both Nekrutenoko and Korshunov. I came to the conclusion that the first butterfly is:
1) Argynnis adippe f. cleodoxa (as there are silver spots, subspecies) In my opinion ♂
2) Argynnis niobe niobe (that's just a question, the spot is in the basal area, but only from above, from below it is generally a wilderness). In my opinion too ♂
Please help – I turn to specialists. Definition tipo most likely yes.... or well, probably-does not roll. If someone knows, please answer as fully as possible with arguments, and even better, copy my photos again, and underline, circle in red those areas that you need to pay attention to.

In my opinion, both two are adippa females, the first is a nominative, the second is f. cleodoxa.

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