Identification of Lepidoptera (Butterflies and Moths)

This fathead was shot in September in Turkey. Can I define it more precisely?

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1 - something like Carcharodes stauderi, but I may be wrong - you need
to take a closer look (or even better - cook )
2 - Pelopidas thrax (?)

1 - something like Carcharodes stauderi, but I may be wrong - you need
to take a closer look (or even better - cook )
2 - Pelopidas thrax (?)

1 - definitely not Carcharodes. Rather Syrichtus proto (=Muschampia proto).

pliiizzz! what are their Latin names? 1-south of Gelenzhik

Dear ones! Thanks! I will only specify-so the left one is Lysandra melamarina, the right one is Lysandra coridon?, or both are melamarina

Dear ones! Thanks! I will only specify-so the left one is Lysandra melamarina, the right one is Lysandra coridon?, or both are melamarina

Yes, these are both Lysandra corydonius melamarina. First of all, Corydon and Corydonius don't seem to meet together. Secondly, korydon, as far as I remember, is not found on the Black Sea coast. And, thirdly, butterflies are characterized by intrapopulation variability. And this difference in the background of the bottom of the rear fenders fits perfectly into it. In general, all these melamarines, sheikhs, corydoniuses, etc., etc. (now from the Caucasus they have also described taxa from this group) should be dealt with and a strict revision should be carried out. As a result, most likely, it will turn out that only L. corydonius lives in the Caucasus, and everything else is its subspecies or forms.

to Cosmos.
And more. In normal corydons, the undersides of the hind wings are much darker than in your specimen on the right. I judge this by my collections in the Lower Volga region and by the butterflies from other places available in my collection. So-on the right-definitely not Korydon!

2 - Polyommatus icarus female. In Aricia allous, on the underside of the hindwing, a pair of spots from the middle row near the front edge of the wing are close to each other. In addition, this pair and the last pair, at the rear edge of the wing, are slightly unfolded, which makes the middle row look broken. The butterfly in the photo doesn't have any of this. Typical icarus.

I do not agree that this is Icarus, especially typical. This is not exactly a typical allous. The top pair of spots in allous is not always close to each other. Quite often, it is slightly close, like the butterfly in the photo, and in rare cases it is not at all close. As for the lower pair of spots, they also do not always form a broken line. A snapshot of such an allous is available on my website.
Without knowing the fauna of Altai, I can not say that it is allous in the photo, but it is obvious that this is Aricia sp. but not Icarus.

2 Cosmos
Thank you for the photo melamarina! I've been wanting to see a normal shot of this view for a long time! I agree that this is not a corydon, at least in the Crimea, corydons are not like that.
UPDATE: Can I find out the exact date and location of the melamarina shoot?

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Vladimir, what are the arguments against icarus?
About Aricia sp. I want to note that for Chemal it can only be A. allous strandi. By the way, one should not compare the butterflies of this subspecies with the Crimean allous. Just do not compare with the Crimean icarus. About allous-how many butterflies of the strandi subspecies have I seen - the front pair of hind wing spots is always close together. From the arguments against allous, another thing is that the red border spots on the rear wing of the strandi are usually slightly smaller than in the photo (still within acceptable limits). In general, after a more careful study, we have to agree that this is not a typical icarus. Personally, I am most confused by the size of the second spot on top in the middle band of the bottom of the rear wing - it is slightly smaller than the first, which is generally uncharacteristic for local icarus. In general, only A. allous, P. icarus, P. thersites, P. boisduvalii, and P. erotides(?)can be selected for a variety of butterflies with a similar pattern.
Dear Cosmos, are there any other pictures of the same butterfly? in a different view

Who is who?

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Where was it shot?
bottom left - Zygaena carniolica, top right-rather, Parnassius apollo
Cool snimok

I do not agree that this is Icarus, especially typical. This is not exactly a typical allous. The top pair of spots in allous is not always close to each other. Quite often, it is slightly close, like the butterfly in the photo, and in rare cases it is not at all close. As for the lower pair of spots, they also do not always form a broken line. A snapshot of such an allous is available on my website.
Without knowing the fauna of Altai, I can not say that it is allous in the photo, but it is obvious that this is Aricia sp. but not Icarus.

to Okoem.
I totally agree with Andylog. This is a typical female Polyommatus icarus korshunovi, and it doesn't look like an alley at all. And the location of these spots that you are now describing often varies among different litzenids, this is not a sign. In the Internet, it seems, there is an image of a female kite and other subspecies.

Vladimir, what are the arguments against icarus?
Personally, I am most confused by the size of the second spot on top in the middle band of the bottom of the rear wing - it is slightly smaller than the first, which is generally uncharacteristic for local icarus.

I will not argue any more, since I do not know the subtleties of the fauna of those regions.
Against Icarus, just this reduced and slightly shifted to the neighboring spot. It is also slightly shifted to the center of the wing, which is typical for allous, and in Icarus, according to my observations, it lies on the same line with two neighboring ones. I compare it with the butterflies that I have met myself, that is, with the Crimean ones. Such a reduced and shifted to the center spot has been observed more than once in allous. But, I repeat, I do not know the features of the appearance of Polyommatus icarus korshunovi, so I may be mistaken.

Thank you for the photo melamarina!.... UPDATE: Can I find out the exact date and place of shooting melamarina?

the exact date is August 21, 2006 . valley to the sea at d.Krinitsy - opposite the village of Pshady, globally-approximately between Gelenzhik and Tuapse. These are the first ones in the frame. I wouldn't say I was looking for anything special. There are also meleagers there. And this August, in your Crimea, about a day's journey to rybachy from Alushta, I met and did not catch the pigeon with which you teased the people) I noticed it because I have a pair of butterflies from South Africa with such a brown-wavy undergarment, and I have seen this type of undergarment en masse on mattresses from India. You probably have one such view, and - a new point. I'll pick up the map and send it to you, if necessary.
Ps: I number the frames: mest-day-year, then they are arranged in one continuous year. You can see changes in flowering, phenology-mass species, compare it for different types of localities(biotopes).

You probably have one such view, and - a new point. I'll pick up the map and send it to you, if necessary.
Yes, I'd rather tie it up with photos of pigeons, so as not to provoke such a debate...

Thank you for the info on melamarine!
Brown-wavy undergarments - do you mean Lampides boeticus or Leptotes pirithous? Both types in the Crimea were in the fall, and the first one was massive.
At the expense of debates - on that and forum, that would debate were; -) And with many butterflies (and not only) desirable several angles to do; -)

Where was it shot?
bottom left - Zygaena carniolica, top right-rather, Parnassius apollo
Cool picture

French Alps.

People, tell me, is this a peacock's eye pupa (on nettles)?

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People, tell me, is this a peacock's eye pupa (on nettles)?

in my opinion aglais urticae

Moth Timanga griseata or Timandra comae (Schmidt, 1931).???
Moscow region, Ramenskiy district, near the village of Khripan 19.07.2007 0: 20

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Moth Timanga griseata or Timandra comae (Schmidt, 1931).???
Moscow region, Ramenskiy district, near the village of Khripan 19.07.2007 0: 20

According to the corresponding volume "The Geometry Moths of Europe", T. comae. T. griseata is currently known only from the Baltic regions. They differ, it seems, in the genitals of females.

Help me determine it. 15.08.06. Adler.

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Cryphia sp., possibly Cryphia algae.

help me determine it. Caught in Belarus, Mogilev region

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Hipparchia, if from Belarus, probably alcyone.

Hipparchia, if from Belarus, probably alcyone.

That's the one.

If alcyon is in the background of the collection, then the collection is also in the collection photo

Friends, help me determine exactly.

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In my opinion, Kaniska canace

Yes, exactly it, there is nothing to determine here ...

Well, if it's exactly her, then thank you very much.:0)

Parnassus-Dalnegorsk (DV) July (6 cm span)

1st bramea (10,5 cm) I don't know where it was caught This is not from my collection

2nd Bramea, China (11.5 cm)

1 bramea, if I'm not mistaken - Bramea relict Bramaea tankrei. It lives in Korea and in the Ussuri taiga.

This post was edited by NicoSander - 02/27/2008 18: 19

RippeR. How do you collect butterflies there(in China) and export them??? Bramei last year in Partizansky district.they did not fly but in general there were very few butterflies and beetles, maybe the weather ? Although I mostly take photos and collect them very rarely.

Brahmea-the former is similar to Brahmaea magnificentia, but not quite, and the latter is more like Brahmaea hearseyi.

No, the first one is still Bramaea tancrei.

Parnassius just felderi (eversmanni) maui

I would like to note that according to some signs, the upper Brahmaea seems almost certainly to me as Brahmaea christophi-Talysh, Iran

I would like to note that according to some signs, the upper Brahmaea seems to me almost certainly like Brahmaea christophi-Talysh, Iran

Don't you have a photo of this species for comparison? There is no.

I understand that it is necessary to compare the photo already provided with the bramea from Dvostok.

Sergey Sher:
Well.. In China, I do not collect This grandmother was brought from Kiev, and in Kiev I still haven't caught much further than Moldova in some unknown way


The second bramea was identified as hersi, but I was told it wasn't her, so I had to check..

She is Brahmaea wallichii Gray, 1831.