Pierce through beetles in collections?

Personally, I prick. I think it's quite convenient.

I also like to prick more.. And I glue the tselikov on the die to straighten it out more beautifully. if necessary - to transparent

In my opinion, sticking medium-and large-sized beetles is a tribute to fashion and the "commercial component": a copy for sale, if mounted, should not be damaged, even by a puncture through the right elytra. Since I don't do commerce at all, and the people with whom I sometimes exchange material follow the same principle, I do what I'm used to, and how it's convenient for me: I prick large and medium-sized beetles and stick small ones (on PVA).

And I only prick large beetles. Medium and small glue on PVA. I think it's more beautiful this way).

Well, it's a matter of taste. In fact, the line between medium and small ones is quite blurred: how many mm do some end and others begin with? Yes, soft-coated beetles, such as redwings (Lycidae) I stick on cardboard rectangles (a drop of glue in the front, a drop at the end of the abdomen), then they practically do not deform when drying.

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 25.05.2008 21: 44

I glue everyone whose size is not more than 20 mm. Well, I straighten it out at the same time, of course.

What confuses me when pasting is that the bottom side is not visible, and there may be difficulties in determining. I therefore glue: on a transparent die, from one side, and not on a triangle.
UPD: I just reread it and realized that I didn't write it quite clearly. I do not glue all of them, but also only small ones (up to 20 mm). I try to glue the tropics even more (for later photographing).

This post was edited by Bad Den - 05/26/2008 11: 33

I can hardly imagine a commercial figure massively dismantling glued beetles and selling them. Usually on sale, as far as I know, is a series of already packaged and prepared for sale immediately after capture. I now glue everyone in general and mainly on dies. If necessary, it is only a matter of one minute to peel off the beetle, and the safety of glued copies is, in my opinion, better. In addition, sometimes I change or give beetles from the collection, and the punctured ones are somehow inconvenient to transport and inconvenient to give away.

What is the best way to keep pasted copies safe? The fact that they don't have a hole in them? Peel off the beetle so that it remains intact - after all, not one minute-imho.

I now glue everyone in general and mainly on dies. If necessary, it is only a matter of one minute to peel off the beetle, and the safety of glued copies is, in my opinion, better. In addition, sometimes I change or give beetles from the collection, and the punctured ones are somehow inconvenient to transport and inconvenient to give away.

In my opinion, there is no subject for argument: it is a matter of taste and habit. I'm used to stabbing - and I do. I can't bring myself to change lanes. To be honest , I have never used purchased standard dies, so it is difficult for me to judge their practical (consumer) advantage over homemade ones (made of cardboard, all-possible film, etc.), except for aesthetics, of course: of course, the uniformity in the collector's box pleases the heart and eye. You can argue about the transportation of impaled copies: they are normally sent in the appropriate boxes and with the methods of fastening (from rotation during shaking). In addition, in the circle of my acquaintances, there was never a thought about the inconvenience of exchanging, donating and accepting impaled and labeled beetles as a gift. In general, I completely missed this point: when did the idea of gluing even large beetles initially arise and when did it become so widespread? For me, this happened somehow imperceptibly: once - and suddenly, all of a sudden, everyone (or many) began to glue! By the way, I have to deal with one problem: when you stick a freshly caught (not soaked) bug on cardboard, often after drying, a brownish spot forms on the cardboard under it and around it (apparently, "zazhirivanie"?).

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 05/26/2008 18: 10

I prick large beetles, and especially small ones on the die. In general, Dmitrich is right, everyone acts in their own way, according to their habits.

What confuses me when pasting is that the bottom side is not visible, and there may be difficulties in determining.

With a series of at least three specimens of the same species, I simply glue one individual on the die with its belly up.

Basically, of course, I prick, but I do not glue on the die. Recently, a friend was in Mailasia and brought me what is called gift copies. There were a couple of very small goldsmiths that couldn't be pinned on a needle.

With a series of at least three specimens of the same species, I simply glue one individual on the die with its belly up.

Duc! And if it is not clear, different types or one?

Whereas shchelkunov - on his side. Loses in esthetchnosti, but if you plan to determine later more precisely-the very thing.

previously pricked, now glue. The road has become fully preserved copies. In my opinion, it's more aesthetic and convenient, I also change them, it's always easy for no one.. yes, and rearrange it.. Yes, and also with the goal that if when I move to another country, and this is 70-80% dorlzhno happen.., then you can't take it off on blavkahs - they will be damaged, and dragging a lot on blavkahs, in boxes-this is a thousand and one trip for every ten boxes, a lot of torment and all that.
I glue everyone. I don't like large dies. therefore, I use thin small dies, glue on the side, to the middle chest. It turns out both aesthetically pleasing and convenient, etc. etc. nevertheless, I do not disdain beetles on needles..

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People, here about dies, or where?

The question is different-to prick or glue.
In principle, both options have drawbacks. For example, if you hit a box where beetles are on dies, then neighboring dies can damage the beetles. But you can just be careful or learn how to glue beetles well.
However.
I don't like where the bug-stabbing culture came from. Someone came up with this method because they couldn't think of anything better - maybe there were no good adhesives then, or the person's consciousness was rather narrow, or something. But then it went as a rule, they used it for a long time and could not refuse, and then it was printed in all the "textbooks on entomology", and now everyone first reads the textbook and puts it in their minds, and then they can not even imagine how to refuse the pricking...
But imagine what it's like to prick.... This is after all to make a healthy hole in the perfect copy. From the aesthetic side, this is unbearable... And from the side of science even more unbearable!!!!! After all, if someone wants to check the genitals of a beetle or something else interesting, then often the beetle will not be removed from the pin. If you prick the beetle crookedly, you will not be able to re-prick it, or you will have to make the 2nd hole.. Come on, just think 1 hole, 2 holes, 3 holes, what a big deal!

I used to stab beetles myself, and even now I don't mind the stab specimens in the collection - all the same, the specimen is important.. But I am slowly becoming an ardent "gluer", and over the past year I have not pierced a single beetle.
But this is probably true in everything - someone doesn't care about everything and everyone, and in general it's not clear why he keeps a collection - many of them are not for themselves, but in order to show off - look, I have it, but you don't!
Probably people do not have a craving for perfection, grace and many other things. There is no desire to do something well, but just stupidly have. "I have a Porsche, and I don't care that I will break it in a week, the main thing is just watch and envy.." Who needs this?
Why then build houses smooth and beautiful? You can then just d** * mo stick and live in it, the main thing is to stand normally... Why look good, because you can walk in anything and "under yourself". It's just "existence", not life... It's the same with a collection - why does it just "exist", why is it needed at all?

To RippeR: In my opinion, you are showing excessive maximalism. Sticking or stabbing is a purely personal matter, and there is no need for agitation here. Do you and most collectors of the new generation like gluing? Yes to health, the flag is in your hands! But pricking beetles also has its advantages. You can always quickly and easily look at the underside of an impaled beetle, and generally turn it this way and that. The one that was pasted on (without performing any known manipulations) doesn't have it. Don't accuse the great old entomologists of being short-sighted: they knew exactly what they were doing. And what's a big pinhole in a beetle?! With a well-known training, it is easy to get stuck and prick the beetle evenly, and pick up a pin to fit. Long-term safety when stored in a collection box of the impaled copy in comparison with the pasted one, in my opinion, is again somewhat higher. By the way, why do you think that people who prick beetles do not have a craving for perfection, grace and many other things? I have seen both perfectly straightened impaled beetles, and obliquely pasted, with poorly and asymmetrically retracted limbs. And why does a collection of impaled beetles just exist? That's how you're casting a shadow on Zin's funds, too. We need to stop this argument. Who likes it-stick to your health at least woodcutters-titans. This does not make you less respected for those who prefer to prick large and medium-sized beetles in the old-fashioned way. And the "impalers", of course, count on a similar response attitude. And we will not label each other as opponents of perfection.

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 08/27/2008 14: 28

I was completely misunderstood. In general, it's always like this.
it is clear that prick or glue is everyone's choice. But I tried to explain why the tattoo is "bad" for the beetle - i.e., what feelings it comes out of. I wrote above that I used to prick myself, but nevertheless tried to straighten it perfectly, but then I realized that it was still damage. Spoils the ekz is not straightening, but those manipulations that are carried out with it, in this case, a tattoo.
Look at the photo above, I put it up on purpose. Such copies are not closed from the bottom, they are easily twisted, rotated, removed from the needle, if desired from the die, etc. It is a joy for me to work with such copies and they look much more beautiful, do not have holes, are not affected by rust and corrosion from pins, etc. etc.

And in general, the point, in my opinion, is not that people are stupid, not perfect, and therefore they get impaled, but only because few people think about it, and they began to think quite late, and those who find out about it, but have long been sticking to tattoos, do not want to move on, because the previous conviction is deeply embedded in my head.
And don't overreact

To RippeR: God forbid, I did not react sharply at all, but simply expressed my opinion in response to yours! The barbels you've pasted are just as well spread out as the impaled beetles you've previously exposed. At the same time, again, in my opinion, both of them from an aesthetic point of view look the same. But part of the thoracic part of the glued beetle from below is still closed. In addition, it seems to me that such a bug sticker does not exclude the possibility of "flying" an instance from the maaaasenka die. Perhaps this is my prejudice, but I think so. And then, no one objects to tattooing butterflies, eardrums, and right-winged birds, do they? From your point of view, aren't they damaged by a puncture? Let's then get sophisticated, and for butterflies, too, come up with a method that eliminates their spoilage. And then it turns out that squeezing the chest of diaries in a net is no damage (the body is nothing, the wings are everything!), but a neat puncture of the beetle through the right elytra, forming a tiny hole, usually much less than 1 mm in size, closed with a pin, is disfiguring the specimen. I am for unity of approaches!

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 29.08.2008 09: 13

and to drag a lot on blavkahs, in boxes-this is a thousand and one trips for every ten boxes, a lot of torment and all that.

Oi-wei, you can also order a container

Bad Den:
Well, this is really someone like-who likes to order a container, and someone in the luggage to carry..

Dmitrich:
There should be no unity of approaches.. This is the same as saying to all insects: "Oh, they are all cockroaches."..

A neat little scratch on the hood of the car, or even a neat nail hole.. Just think, nothing terrible! Or is it scary????? Maybe everyone will wear torn clothes with holes in them.. I understand the floor cloth is dirty and full of holes, but I don't understand when everything is full of holes, broken... And there is no clear logic at all, when they throw out a T-shirt when there is a small hole on it, and at the same time hundreds of beetles are stabbed, saying: "Oh, not a big hole"
Butterflies are butterflies - to pierce them is one thing, but beetles are quite another. In most cases, if the butterfly is removed from the pin, it will not be noticeable, and there is nothing terrible about it. a butterfly even without legs and antennae looks great, although this, of course, is not desirable. I won't talk about grasshoppers, flies, fleas, because I don't do them, and I take them just for fun. If someone was interested in whole copies of flies and grasshoppers, they wouldn't prick them

Flying beetle from the die is not excluded.. For example, if you hit a bug with something... But if in this case the beetle flies off the die, then in the case of a tattoo of the beetle, it will simply lose its limbs, which will then have to be collected and pasted..

A few days ago, I had an accident-I dropped a box of beetles (since nothing valuable was damaged). The box fell upside down. Bottom line: some of the beetles on the pins lost limbs (pieces of paws and pieces of whiskers), and a couple of beetles on the dies just came off and remained completely intact. Some simply rotated a little around the pin's axis. The damage to the beetles on the pins was greater and the ecs was damaged more than the beetles on the dies, although there were much more beetles on the dies in the box than there were beetles on the pins. Conclusions....

Butterflies are butterflies - piercing them is one thing, but beetles are quite another. In most cases, if the butterfly is removed from the pin, it will not be noticeable, and there is nothing terrible about it. a butterfly even without legs and antennae looks great

No comments. I stand by my opinion, leaving everyone the right to draw their own conclusion.

Well, everyone makes the choice himself, But I think kleeney has more advantages.. I.e. this is not discussed

of course, everything has been glued for 20 years
young people feel the same

Everything flows, everything changes. The main thing is where the priorities are. For science, it is not very important how beautifully the specimen is impaled, the main thing is its presence, or rather the information that it carries. Well, bourgeois professors have hundreds of assistants working for them, who straighten out the material, try their best. Nashi-pinned, and Thank God! Everything temporary, as always, remains the most permanent. But when for yourself, then the cards are in your hands. Like the classic-koli. Like progressive-glue, but remember, and you will soon be squeezed by younger and more advanced ones. And sticking on paper in 10 years will not be fashionable, but it will be cool in plastic containers, and so that they hang in an electromagnetic field... And you are a dinosaur and a retrograde with your dies...
Everything has a place to be, the main thing is to catch the buzz from this, You can spread it out beautifully both on the dies and on the needles. Krupnyak on pins and needles, small change on dies, also great. Well, if you are an AMATEUR-do everything beautifully, shtob the beetle did not die in vain!

Personally, I'm all for the sticker. Who glues small things - do not use PVA!!! No way. Then, when filming, either yourself, or who will swear at you-rematerialize. How to glue? Make gum glue and add 1/3 of the PVA. It should be mixed before use.

I don't understand something.. What's wrong with pva??? And what happens when you add gum??

I didn't understand it either. Is the "professional" Czech Hercules any good then? After all, this is the essence of strong carpentry PVA.

and my skiper?

which skipper?

well, like this.. I don't know where I got it from.. It is like PVA, only slightly more viscous and dries a little longer, more rubbery and transparent when it dries.. I really like it

Hercules is good. Unlike PVA, the material is perfectly removed. And the quality of the glue will be determined when the question arises about removing the beetle. Who doubts soy glue-check it out before it's too late.

This post was edited by stierlyz - 08/31/2008 14: 02

Good day, dear colleagues.
I finally got to this topic in order to share my experience, ideas and, if possible, solve the problem that bug entomologists face - prick or glue.

What confuses people in the tattoo option? The fact that when you prick up there are pros and cons, namely:
pros: fairly fast fixed spread and the ability to see at any time, and what is at the bottom of the bug.
disadvantages: rather, one minus is the lack of aesthetics of the specimen in terms of the" hole " on the right elytra.

What confuses people in the pasting option?
pros: aesthetics of the specimen, untouched upper surface of the beetle.
disadvantages: the inconvenience in straightening and, practically, the impossibility of re-straightening, you will have to forget about the underside of the beetle.

Dear colleagues, please accept my version in order to try to reconcile the two sides.

The idea is that the top side of the beetle remains intact and aesthetically perfect, and the bottom of the beetle can be viewed at any time.

Tools that are needed for this option: wire cutters, entom. Pins, a ruler, and the crooked tweezers that each of you has, I'm sure of it.



1. measure 2.5 centimeters of ent. pins, (or more, depending on the thickness of the beetle) and cut off unnecessary from the side of the head of the pin.



2. with a pin or a dissecting needle, we slightly push the elytra of the beetle somewhere in the middle of the beetle and insert a pin between them, thus piercing the beetle until the elytra "snap", or the pin does not hide completely in the body of the beetle.







the photo shows an example of using this method on large and small beetles, it all depends on the thickness of the pin (small - 00, or 000; large - 1-3)

3. We place the impaled beetle on the foam and straighten it in a simple way, which is used when straightening impaled beetles. Previously, we make a recess in the foam from the bottom so that the dried beetle on the pin is slightly pushed up to pick it up with crooked tweezers.



4. After straightening and labeling the copy, using curved tweezers, we place it in the box (it is also necessary to get it out with tweezers, so as not to damage the limbs)

5. Straightened copies in boxes





When using this method, the surface of the beetle remains perfectly intact, and the bottom is constantly accessible.

Of course, that this method, logically, is not suitable for very tiny beetles, there is only glue

Beetles in boxes create an impression of floating in the air and look very impressive.

I hope someone likes my solution to the problem of aesthetics and scientific practicality.
Thank you for your attention and sorry for the long message and wasted time.

Sincerely.

I'm sorry, but how do I get it out?

I'm sorry, but how do I get it out?

And why?

Then I suggest you solder the box and pump out the air (so that the kozheeds do not climb)

I'm sorry, but how do I get it out?

Really, why stick a bug out of a pin if you have access to everything? Or do you mean to take a copy out of the box? So I wrote and showed - with the help of curved tweezers.