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29.01.2016 17:10, rhopalocera.com

Good day.

In your pictures:

1-8: P. idas, long known from Dzungaria and other places in Eastern Kazakhstan, aegina subspecies:
- aegina Grum-Grshimailo, 1891 (Lycaena) (= tshimgana Forster, 1936 [Bálint, Johnson, 1997]; =naruena Courvoisier, 1913). Horae Soc. ent. Ros., 25 (3-4): 451. TL: “in Thian Schan orientali, in montibus Boro-Choro”. D: Mountains of Western Kazakhstan, Tien Shan.
By the way, the taxon naruena was described by Courvoisier from the locality Naryun - this is not Naryn in Central Asia, this is Naryun on the Lower Volga. Accordingly, the status of the taxon altarmena Forster, 1936 should be reviewed - it may be synonymous with naruena.

9-14: P. maracandicus, subspecies ionovi and excellens are synonyms of subspecies planorum. Butterflies are very variable - you have very few specimens depicted, you need to look at hundreds in order to see all the phenotypes. So far, P. maracandicus can be divided into 2 Central Asian subspecies: nominate in deserts and planorum in mountains.

29.01.2016 19:29, Nikolai Rubin

Thank you, Stas, for clarifying the situation.

Simply, for a sufficient number of expeditions to Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, I have formed a "hole"in the area of idas. If from north to south, it ended in Bukombai, passing smoothly on the southern slopes in uiguricus, and then appeared on the Tien Shan in the form of naruenus and chimganus. On Saur, only one male was caught during two trips, and in Dzungaria (4 expeditions that covered almost the entire mountain junction) that's just in this clearing 100 by 50 meters on the Small Usek. However, a few years later, another population was discovered just northwest of Taldykorgan (a side result of the kapanovi search), right in the semi-desert. Moreover, some strange things also began – at the same time (on June 4) large males and females (blue!!)were killed to death and then there are fresh little quite idaso-like males. Apparently, they are still local in Dzungaria. But if the typical place of aegina is Boro Horo, it removes all doubts.

There are enough Central Asian marakandikus (not hundreds, of course), but almost everywhere (Saur, Ili Valley, Northern and Inner Tien Shan, nominative from the Ferghana Valley (Khojent). Only exellens is not present. However, I don't quite understand your conditional division into mountain and lowland (desert) subspecies. And, if planorum is described from a valley Or-where is it "flatter and desolate"? Or is he still from Yuldus? Then everything is correct - "mountain". Maybe still-ecological forms?

29.01.2016 22:40, rhopalocera.com

Idas is located in the mountains of Central Asia. Hence the mass of its stillborn synonyms such as nushibi, uiguricus, saldaitisi, etc. Locality and variability is an explosive mixture that can intoxicate the researcher and lead to incorrect conclusions. These researchers should be given molecular data in their hands - and, believe me, the results would quickly "blow away". This work is being carried out by us (a molecular survey of plebeians throughout the Palearctic), and the results for many taxa are very sad=). Although it is necessary to calculate the weight of differences - it can be less than 2%, which has been repeatedly shown for many organisms (including butterflies).

You might have just missed out on leth idas, by the way. In the mountains, golubyanki fly for a short time and in waves, a wave for up to 5 days, then completely disappear, then the next wave - and so 3 - 4 waves. This is an adaptation to mountain conditions (if the previous wave died, the next one will survive and give offspring).

planorum is described from Yuldus. They cannot be called ecological forms, since their range is clearly divided along the foothills of the Central Asian ridges.