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daniil naumoff, 04.07.2006 18:50

Samara Region, June 10, 2006
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04.07.2006 19:09, Chromocenter

Clearly from the family of pigeons, or rather-I find it difficult.

04.07.2006 19:14, sealor

Polyommatus bellargus is similar.

05.07.2006 0:11, RippeR

sealor:
I agree, I thought so too.. most likely a female.

06.07.2006 13:26, daniil naumoff

I still have a few shots to go-then I'll sketch something better.

06.07.2006 14:59, Helene

Polyommatus bellargus is similar.

Or Lysandra bellargus wink.gifI support the selection of the genus Lysandra: they are clearly special, they are very different from the classic polyommatus.

daniil_naumoff: Maybe even Lysandra coridon.
What is the color of the top of the male's wings: very bright sky-blue or very light, whitish, grayish (like "metallic"wink.gif)? If the former is Bellargus, if the latter is Corydon.

This post was edited by Helene - 06.07.2006 15: 02

06.07.2006 15:18, daniil naumoff

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This is a different individual. And the view is the same??? The second option???

This post was edited by daniil_naumoff - 07/06/2006 15: 20

06.07.2006 15:50, RippeR

It looks like Cupido minimus.

Helene:
What's the difference between what to call it, the main thing is to specify the view correctly, and use the old or new name-it doesn't matter.. But I'm more used to Lesandra, too.

06.10.2007 13:07, lerth

Lycaena phlaeas, Leningrad region, Luzhsky district 29.09.2007

Pictures:
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06.10.2007 13:52, RippeR

and from myself
Polyommatus icarus & Lycaena phleas
Kapriany, 16.09.07

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11.10.2007 4:37, Ekos

to daniil_naumoff:
And it seems to me that the first two photos are still a female Polyommatus icarus, and not P. bellargus cool.gif

14.10.2007 15:06, Трофим

Not yet bellargus. His underparts are dark brown rather than grayish, and the spots are larger and more pronounced. You can compare it with ikarus in the photo below.

15.10.2007 6:35, Ekos

Not yet bellargus. His underparts are dark brown rather than grayish, and the spots are larger and more pronounced. You can compare it with ikarus in the photo below.


I agree that the underside of the bellargus female's wings is darker. But still darker than the female shown in the photo. And the underside of the wings of female icarus is also brown, but not grayish. It is grayish in males. And, by the way, in the photo below - a MALE, not a female icarus, so it makes no sense to compare. As we know, most pigeons have a pronounced sexual dimorphism.
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16.10.2007 15:50, Трофим

Darker than the female shown in the photo - a relative question. The main thing is that the white border is more clearly and more widely expressed on dark spots than in icarus and the spots themselves are more resinous. But to compare a male with a female, I forgot. It's just that when it comes to sexual dimorphism in pigeons, all the differences are usually shown above. And the undergarment flew out of my head.

16.10.2007 17:55, RippeR

Something meager topic turned out, and the family is only on ter. the former USSR has ~319 species (not counting subspecies).. We need to dilute it!
Plebejidea cyane
Irkutsk region, Ust-Orda, Kuda River, 18.06.07
picture: Pcyane.JPG picture: Pcyane2.JPG
Agrodiaetus damon zhicharevi (Sovinsky, 1915)
S Kavkaz, Circassian Autonomous Region, Teberda, Jamagat city, 04.07.1978
picture: Adamon.JPGpicture: Adamon2.JPG
Agrodiaetus firdussii pseudactis Forster 1960
Azerbaijan, Talysh, Zuvand, Mistan village, 17.07.2003
picture: Afierdussii.JPGpicture: Afirdussii.JPG

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17.10.2007 9:00, RippeR

Cyaniris semiargus
Moldova, Lozova, 19.05.2007
picture: Csemiargus.JPGpicture: Csemiargus2.JPG
Eumedonia eumedon ssp. eumedon f. fylgia (the shape is characterized by the absence of a white stroke on the bottom of the hindwings)
Irkutsk region, Lake Baikal, KBZHD, Staraya Angasolka settlement, 20.06.2007
picture: Eueu.JPGpicture: eueu2.JPG
Freyeria trochylus (Freyer, 1844)
Tajikistan, Kurgan Tube, Tabackchi Mts., Sarband env., 05.06.2001 (I can't give an exact translation, so I wrote it as it is)
picture: Ftrochylus.JPGpicture: Ftrochylus2.JPG
Polyommatus erotides (Staudinger, 1892)
Irkutsk region, Ust-Orda settlement, Kuda River, 29.06.2007
picture: Lerotides.JPGpicture: Lerotides2.JPG
Plebeius eversmanni badaschanus Forster, 1972
Tajikistan, Eastern Pamir, Zor-Mynijir Mountains, 4500 m
picture: Peversmanni.JPGpicture: Peversmanni2.JPG
Plebeius nushibi Zhdanko, 2000
Kirghizstan, Kungei Ala Too Mt. rng., Ananjevoenv.,1600 m
picture: Pnushibi.JPGpicture: Pnushibi2.JPG
Polyommatus thrsites (Cantener, 1834)
Moldova, Razeni, 15.07.2007
picture: Pthersites.JPGpicture: Pthersites2.JPG
Plebicula amandus amurensis Staudinger, 1892
Primorye, Holkidon, 06.07.1980
picture: Pamandusamurensis.JPGpicture: Pamanda.JPG
Scolitantides orion (Pallas, 1771)
Moldova, Rezina district, Sakharna village, 30.07.2007
picture: Sorion.JPGpicture: Sorion2.JPG
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17.10.2007 9:04, RippeR

The accumulation has started.. There are only ~304 views left to add tongue.gif
More and more often I have the idea to create a separate site with images, as was intended in one of the topics, but this idea was rejected. Now, when the volume of images is growing rapidly, especially in crested hawkmoth, hawkmoth, and tapeworm and carabus, it becomes quite inconvenient to search and view images. It's a pity I don't know anything about site building myself. Can someone take it?

This post was edited by RippeR - 10/17/2007 09: 09

17.10.2007 15:41, AntSkr

I would take up the site, but it's very difficult to do everything myself... At least the texts should be there, and the design can be done.
And best of all, with subspecies were. It would also be nice to write about the forms...
I would like to make a website about Palearctic crested whales first...
Through the joint efforts of forum participants, you can create a website that is no worse than foreign ones.

This post was edited by AntSkr - 10/17/2007 19: 16

17.10.2007 18:17, Ilia Ustiantcev

My photos are mostly banal, so I chose the prettier ones.
Polyommatus amandus (MO, Ozuyevsky district)
picture: _________________2.jpgFemale
Meleageria daphnis (Crimea, Laspi Bay)
picture: ________________________2.jpgMale
Glaucopsyche alexis (MO, Ozuyevsky district) - the photo is not very good, but the view is not quite banal, at least for the MO.
picture: __________________.jpg
Polyommatus icarus (MO, Ozuyevsky district) - the most common golubyanka, even in Moscow I often meet.
What does it sit on by the way?
picture: _______________3.jpg
I consider this and the following photo to be some of my best.
picture: _______________2.jpgMale
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Not exactly pigeons, of course...
Lycaena hippothoe (MO, Ozuyevsky district)
picture: ________________________.jpgMale
picture: _________________________2.jpgMale
picture: _________________________4.jpgFemale
Lycaena virgaureae (ibid.)
picture: _________________.jpgMale
picture: __________________2.jpgFemale
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17.10.2007 20:18, RippeR

AntSkr:
I don't think it's so difficult to fill it in with information anymore.. The main thing is to have literature.
It is better to make not only crested flowers first, but immediately a ready-made site for many insects - let everyone fill it with what they have, so it will be more productive. I can make a list of pigeons of the former USSR, even with subspecies and forms (according to Tuzov mainly, Korshunov)
The design of the site should not be kitschy, the main thing for us is the material that we will fill (in fact, this material that we are currently filling with "Images"). The background of the site will come down to pure black, and all that is needed in it is sections by orders, families, genera, etc.

17.10.2007 20:33, AntSkr

Just so that people fill out the site themselves-you need to be able to speak the scripting language, and I only know HTML. But you can send photos to e-mail or post them on the forum.
One more thing: I would like the photos to be of the same good quality (I mean, someone takes pictures on styrofoam, someone on paper, someone else on something) - it is necessary that all were on a white background (you can even edit it in Photoshop) and, preferably of the best possible quality.
A list of pigeons would be nice, but also lists of other families.
You will also need to specify the complete biology of the species on the site, the dates of summer for different regions, etc
. It would also be nice to have connections with museums to photograph many rare species that are not available to forum participants.

17.10.2007 20:42, AntSkr

Oh, and it would also be nice to draw areas...

18.10.2007 0:51, RippeR

Draw areas.. probably difficult, but I think you can..
With the background of photos, it will be ~ problematic.. I like the background better black for photos with butterflies, white for beetles. If there are craftsmen to put down the background, you can plow them smile.gif
But, unfortunately, the quality of photos and the background may be covered.. Well, all right - it will be as it is, and later, if possible, we will redo it.
Biology, the timing of the summer and so on can also be rewritten from Tuzov (I think he won't hang us for this? We are not merchants)
I have access to some rare species, not all of them, of course, but I think a lot of them can be photographed. In general, the problem remains one-to act!

Moderator: can we be moved to the theme with atlas, so as not to create a pigeon flud?

18.10.2007 6:31, Ekos

In general, the idea of creating a website with photos of pigeons is not bad smile.gifIf the forum participants unite, then I am sure that the photos will contain most types of pigeons from the former USSR. In my collection, for example, there are almost all types of Far Eastern pigeons (with the exception of 5 or 6 species), plus a lot of material from all over the CIS. And finding information is not a problem at all. One Ace, of course, in no case can not be limited. There are still many other valuable books and articleswink.gif, so all the available information can be analyzed and merged. The only problem with this idea, as already noted, is to create and, most importantly, design the site. I'm also a zero in this business, unfortunately...

18.10.2007 9:59, RippeR

Truly saitorubov few.. Waiting for AntSkr smile.gif
We need to think about the design.. You can steal an idea from leps.ask about links with names on the side page, if possible. Or just make a list of species with descriptions by clicking on the name to go to the page with a photo, description of the place of capture, you can also add features of the species to distinguish it from other species..??? Make links to the sides of butterflies, beetles (by family), as well as other units (depending on the available enthusiasts..)
By the way, how long does it take to write such a site? In theory, it is not very complicated, since there are only transitions and links.. especially with the design you should not bother, in my opinion, at least for the first time.. Any background image is enough.

18.10.2007 17:29, AntSkr

Then, first of all, please provide a list of subfamilies, tribes, genera, species, subspecies, and forms. I'll do the rest. About the design - maybe in this style: http://babochki-kryma.narod.ru/files/disc/disc2.jpg?
As for the time of writing - the most difficult thing is to drive in many types, the main thing is not to get confused. So the most important thing is time (while it's winter , you can make a website).
And take photos on a solid white background, it is better to leave the original size (for easier photo editing), it is advisable to try without a shadow under the butterfly. It would also be nice to post photos of caterpillars and pupae.

This post was edited by AntSkr - 18.10.2007 17: 32

18.10.2007 19:27, AntSkr

Will it be difficult to find species from the Palearctic that is not part of the former USSR? I just want to embrace the whole Palearctic... although this is already more difficult...

18.10.2007 19:28, AntSkr

About the background color: you can also use black, as long as everyone has the same color... Although everywhere in the literature photos are usually on a white background...
Area maps: I have a Daily Butterflies of Eastern Europe disk, where there is a map of the area for each species, and you can agree with the authors to use these maps on the site.

This post was edited by AntSkr - 18.10.2007 20: 54

18.10.2007 21:28, AntSkr

And more about photos: in my opinion, it is better to shoot by removing the label, and then write it under the photo...

18.10.2007 22:39, lerth

good idea with the website! but why reinvent the wheel? I could also help with the design and html, think through the structure, but you can make it as part of a molbiol. here the design is good and ready, and php is an ideal option for building a constantly changing site by a group of moderators.

19.10.2007 6:03, Ekos

In general, I recently talked to Sergey, he agreed to help us make the site, he is good at hacking in this businesssmile.gif, but it will only be in January, right now he is busy.

19.10.2007 15:09, Andylog

And does everyone know about the existence of Wikipedia?

Here is the link to the page Golubyanki.

Please write to us, and anyone can add information and images (their own). Of the advantages, the most obvious one for me now is that everyone can add, not just one or two people. Given the general workload of people, this factor can be decisive.
Of course, there are also disadvantages, as without them. But let's at least discuss this option.

19.10.2007 18:56, AntSkr

On the forum, as I noticed, the photos disappear after a while... As for Wikipedia, I don't know, but it's still better to make a separate site, according to one standard. As for the workload of people - Do you see a lot of people in this topic? A few people only...

This post was edited by AntSkr - 19.10.2007 19: 20

19.10.2007 20:53, RippeR

I personally don't like the Wikipedia option.. There are too many things piled up, the design is not the same.. I want to make my own.
In my opinion, it will be better to take photos on a black background, since when photographing with a flash, the white background begins to glow strongly, so you have to move the lens away. as a result, the photo often loses quality.., and the white background always interferes with the consideration of fringes, and photographing the bottom of celastrina argiolus I generally went crazy - I had to take a bunch of pictures to get a normal version, where the wings do not merge with the foam..
In general, the site is like plasticine - you need to sculpt, then talk.

The pigeon list doesn't interfere with your text message.. Get it and sign up for tht

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19.10.2007 20:54, RippeR

by the way, the only problem is that this topic is about pigeons, which are not interesting to everyone..

19.10.2007 21:08, AntSkr

So you can also create sites for other families in parallel...

19.10.2007 23:08, AntSkr

For the site, you can use: http://www.jugan.narod.ru/lycaenidae_rus.htm and http://www.jugan.narod.ru/list_lyc.htm.
I'll enter all the data in html for now, and then you can finish the site as a design.

20.10.2007 0:10, rpanin

.... and photographing the bottom of celastrina argiolus, I generally went crazy - I had to take a bunch of pictures to get a normal version, where the wings do not merge with the foam ..
In general, the site is like plasticine - you need to sculpt, then talk...



Try to find the shutter speed priority in your camera in manual settings. .It will make your life much easier. umnik.gif And without any flashes.Set it according to the maxim. Let him think for a long time ,but-the result!!!

20.10.2007 13:00, RippeR

AntSkr:
whose website is it?
The design is normal - simple and tasteful smile.gif
The only thing is better according to the second scheme, and the description of the species can be found at the link, along with a photo.. I.e. make a list of species, with links from the names of species.

And yet, as I have already written many times, do not make many sites for different families, but one for insects, with different sections..

20.10.2007 13:08, AntSkr

This is a site with works by Korshunov... but these are only lists and descriptions of some genera and species described by Korshunov. And the design can be made much better. With leps.it you can take the design idea only by changing it a little, otherwise they will still see plagiarismsmile.gif. The main thing is to enter all the data first, and then let the best html experts think about the design

About posting on the Internet: can negotiate with the administrator http://www.entomology.ru/, there are also some sites in it...

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