Sphingidae Hawkmoths

Is that Hyles hippophaes?

Well yes.

ON the Volga, it goes to the Ulyanovsk region - but the Belgorod region is already more interesting.

This is almost a border area with the 11th region, why not? Or is it only in the south? Hawks love to migrate anyway... At least, the Internet gives a point in Severodonetsk, and from there to the southern border of the Belgorod region only 100 kilometers, though strictly to the north.

This post was edited by Ilya U-08/22/2015 02: 38

Yes, theoretically, extrapolating, it should be caught there: in Chernihiv region, for example, it was caught. Just now the actual find is there.

I think we have a point for this hawk moth.Back in the 70s, scientists and biologists from Moscow were working on the problems of the Lebedinsky and Stoilensky goks.Namely, production problems .dumps .And for the sake of the experiment, sea buckthorn was planted.Later, it grew so much that entire forests of this plant appeared on the dumps.But these are just my assumptions, we need to fish in this place.

In the south of Ukraine, I have found Hyles hippophaes caterpillars many times on a loch (Elaeagnus), but I have never found them on sea buckthorn.

This post was edited by Djon - 23.08.2015 14: 17

In the south of Ukraine, I have found Hyles hippophaes caterpillars many times on a loch (Elaeagnus), but I have never found them on sea buckthorn.

In Feodosia, caterpillars on the lokha are very common. You can find a dozen in an hour. At the same time, butterflies do not come to light too often, a few pieces per season.
In the Cape (Azov region) butterflies can be several pieces per night. But there are huge arrays of suckers.

In the south of Ukraine, I have found Hyles hippophaes caterpillars many times on a loch (Elaeagnus), but I have never found them on sea buckthorn.

I also found a caterpillar on a sucker once in Berdyansk . They also fly to Yenakiyevo, forage plants (suckers) grow in the steppe, and the butterfly itself is rare, in August there are a little more of them.

After catching the Sea Buckthorn Hawkmoth, I decided to check it out at home, because it should also be here.It was a sunny day with almost no wind.Driving past the quarry, you could see the planting of silver loch and sea buckthorn.Because of its powerful root system, sea buckthorn is used to seal the slopes of ravines and slopes.A normal working day began, and a team of trackmen passed by.there is a loading crane nearby.The usual picture for the quarryApproaching the first bush of the Sucker I begin its inspection it is clear that the leaves of the shrub are damaged.THERE is the first caterpillar.My joy did not have a chapel and here is the second one.How cool they are masked exactly to match the color of the sheet.I look further here and fresh masonry.Well what do you mean this is OUR hawk moth)Apparently, he feels very well here. [
attachmentid ()=235299][attachmentid()=235301]If you are passing through, stop by to catch this interesting hawk moth at night.

This post was edited by Yevgeniy88-26.08.2015 17: 01

Is this Hyles zygophylli? South Kazakhstan, Boguty Mountains, Red Canyon, 14.05.2015

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Driving past the quarry, you could see the planting of silver loch and sea buckthorn.Because of its powerful root system, sea buckthorn is used to seal the slopes of ravines and slopes. Having approached the first bush of a Sucker I begin its inspection it is visible that leaves of a bush are damaged.THERE is the first caterpillar.My joy did not have a chapel and here is the second one. How cool they are masked exactly to match the color of the sheet.I look further here and fresh masonry. Well what do you mean this is OUR hawk moth)Apparently, he feels very well here.If you are passing through, stop by to catch this interesting hawk moth at night.

All the finds on the loch or on the sea buckthorn were also there?

Is this Hyles zygophylli?

Yes, that's right.

All the finds on the loch or on the sea buckthorn were also there?

I've found sea-buckthorn hawk moth caterpillars a dozen times, always on a sucker. But here it was in mid-August 2013-I found one adult caterpillar on sea buckthorn. Nakhodka in the Danube Delta, Vilkovo city. I purposefully looked for sucker plants nearby, and found the nearest bush only a couple of hundred meters away from sea buckthorn.

American Eumorpha achmeon in perfect execution.

This post was edited by Yevgeniy88-07.10.2015 06: 49

Good time to all!
Please help me identify the following fauna representatives.
Thank you for earlier.

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I present to your attention the hawk moth Meganoton analis scribae (Austaut, 1911). The wingspan is up to 12 cm. I collected about three dozen of them on Kunashir, from 17 to 29.07.2015. All to the light. Males and females fly readily in equal numbers. It is strange that it is not in the catalog of Blue butterflies of Russia.

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I present to your attention the hawk moth Meganoton analis scribae (Austaut, 1911). The wingspan is up to 12 cm. I collected about three dozen of them on Kunashir, from 17 to 29.07.2015. All to the light. Males and females fly readily in equal numbers. It is strange that it is not in the catalog of Blue butterflies of Russia.


It seems to me that instead of it, Psilogramma menephron is listed in the Blue list, incorrectly.

I present to your attention the hawk moth Meganoton analis scribae (Austaut, 1911). The wingspan is up to 12 cm. I collected about three dozen of them on Kunashir, from 17 to 29.07.2015. All to the light. Males and females fly readily in equal numbers. It is strange that it is not in the catalog of Blue butterflies of Russia.

This is indeed Meganoton scribae (? - M. analis scribae), not Psilogramma menephron.

Yes, of course, they are completely different, Psilogramma menephron is not even close in Russia.

Dear experts!)then there was one question whether such hawkmoth as linden can eat.ocular.poplar trees.I claim that yes, I fed it myself with a pipette, but some comrades claim the opposite.What is your opinion??

No, they can't. About feeding with a pipette, this is not an argument.
Idols also smear blood on their lips , but they do not feed on it.

where did you learn to joke like that maybe you're a relative of Petrosyan?)and I say that they eat

We are still on "you". I'm not joking, I repeat once again that the force-feeding equipment is not proof of feeding the adults of the listed hawk moth. These are species of the subfamily Smerinthinae, in which the organs of "nutrition" were reduced in the course of evolution. They do not function as unnecessary. This is not my opinion, this is official scientific data.

Dear DJON)))so it was just about force-feeding.they eat even better)

I believe that a butterfly can be forcibly fed, but I imagine this when the proboscis is immersed in a nutrient solution (all butterflies that feed have such a tool)(We do not include representatives of the suborders Micropterigoidea and Eriocranioidea). If a butterfly does not have a proboscis (in our mammalian sense, a mouth), what can it be fed through?

force-feeding equipment is not evidence of feeding the adults of the listed hawk moth. These are species of the subfamily Smerinthinae, in which the organs of "nutrition" were reduced in the course of evolution. They do not function as unnecessary. This is not my opinion, this is official scientific data.

I also believe that these species will not eat nonviolently. But about all the Smerinthinae... I have a certain number of Ambulyx, and I was tormented by the question-why do they need a fairly decent proboscis, which is clearly visible even in dried ones. Trying to find out, I heard from a specialist (though not directly) that they can drink water from streams on the fly.

what do you mean by this that there is no proboscis among the hawkmoth species listed above?

what do you mean by this that there is no proboscis among the hawkmoth species listed above?

In the above-mentioned ones, it is rudimentary, not adapted for nutrition. Adults live off the nutrients accumulated by the caterpillar, as do members of other bombycoid families.

Andrey don't write what you don't know. I repeat it for you personally. these hawks are able to feed by force feeding

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They say the same thing everywhere. Evgeny, it was always believed that sunflowers turn after the sun, until an experiment was conducted. and it turned out that their inflorescences are always turned in one direction. Everyone says and writes in books: they do not eat, there is no digestive system, the proboscis is rudimentary. They monitor the drinking of water. Maybe they drink water and evaporate it somehow. But they don't eat. Don't make any false claims, film the process and show it to us all.

They don't eat. Forced, not forced - just nowhere to go. Unless, as in that joke about Vasily Ivanovich and Petka-through the anus...

And I say that they eat))

And I say that they eat))

In your first line, the question was asked: What is our opinion? We have expressed it to you. If you claim something new and unusual, you need proof. At a minimum, you should record the feeding process on video and post a link here; even better, contact a specialist directly for a comment. For example, a dim-va forum member could comment professionally.

And I say that they eat))

Try to conduct an additional experiment: take a certain number of hawkmoth, feed some of them, and do not feed some of them! Accordingly, to film the whole process and track how long the hawk moth will live with and without feeding and draw certain conclusions! Well, and accordingly keep a log of observations on this process!

Here, now I'll delete your disputes, and that's it.

In essence: we will ask you to capture on video (in the photo you can just see the proboscis buried in the food), where it is clearly visible that this hawk moth with a rudimentary proboscis feeds.

Do you agree?

How is it that tintin doesn't have a digestive system???? What are you talking about? And where do they remove meconium from-I mean, what remains during development in the pupa and is thrown out (usually soiling the walls of the cage) when the butterfly leaves?
All tintins have a proboscis. Evgeny is absolutely right. The fact that it is rudimentary does not remove the problem. In nature, butterflies do not feed, Ambulicines-I do not know. But they can drink water by sucking it up through the rudiments of the proboscis. And if you feed them forcibly, they will drink from a spoon or pipette. Ambulycins, I think, can feed on droppings or something like fermented sap, their proboscis reaches a couple of cm in length, and they live up to a couple of weeks, which means they feed.

How is it that tintin doesn't have a digestive system???? What are you talking about? And where do they remove meconium from-I mean, what remains during development in the pupa and is thrown out (usually soiling the walls of the cage) when the butterfly leaves?
All tintins have a proboscis. Evgeny is absolutely right. The fact that it is rudimentary does not remove the problem. In nature, butterflies do not feed, Ambulicines-I do not know. But they can drink water by sucking it up through the rudiments of the proboscis. And if you feed them forcibly, they will drink from a spoon or pipette. Ambulycins, I think, can feed on droppings or something like fermented sap, their proboscis reaches a couple of cm in length, and they live up to a couple of weeks, which means they feed.

Thank you so much for your clear and informative comment! Unfortunately, when catching ambulix in Nepal, I did not even think to look at their proboscis and measure it, and only then I noticed it in dried ones, and such suspicions arose.

And I say that they eat))

Well, Evgeny, the specialist confirmed the possibility of purely forced feeding through the rudimentary proboscis of the three species you mentioned. This, however, does not remove our request (if possible, of course) to film such a process.

It will be good for you, just give me time.And I am also very interested in the opinion of Pavel Morozov on this issue.

This post was edited by Yevgeniy88-05.12.2015 20: 59