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28.01.2008 16:57, PG18

3. Boloria alaskensis

This one is the most Alaskan smile.gif

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28.01.2008 16:57, Zhuk

emae damn it!! mol.gif

28.01.2008 17:01, PG18

4. Boloria polaris digna

This one is the most polar one smile.gif

This post was edited by PG18-28.01.2008 17: 10

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28.01.2008 17:08, PG18

5. Boloria erda kurentzovi

And this is the most high-altitude and favoritesmile.gif

... together with the biotope

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29.01.2008 0:35, Pavel Morozov

Northern mother
-of-pearl Boloria aquilonaris Stichel, 1908
top - male
Tver region, Vyshnevolotsky district, Terelesovsky, 25.06.2006.

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29.01.2008 11:36, Grigory Grigoryev

"And this is the most mountainous and favorite (Boloria erda kurentzovi)"

Pavel, thank you for the photos!!!
Q: why erda and not alberta?
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29.01.2008 11:57, Guest

alberta is a mistake in the book. She's from a different group and mainland.

29.01.2008 12:00, Guest

the only thing is that hariklea is rather butleri (in Europe it is completely different).
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29.01.2008 17:13, PG18

alberta is a mistake in the book. She's from a different group and mainland.

Yeah, near-arctic view... Wyatt error, when describing the subspeciessmile.gif

29.01.2008 17:28, PG18

the only thing is that hariklea is rather butleri (in Europe it is completely different).

Well, yes, the subspecies is not European, and not even Siberian (from the Nearctic group), it is worth pointing out... But, I think, no more than subspecies smile.gif

29.01.2008 17:37, PG18

[quote=Konung,19.01.2008 06:08]

29.01.2008 17:52, Guest

Well, yes, the subspecies is not European, and not even Siberian (from the Nearctic group), it is worth pointing out... But, I think, no more than a subspecies smile.gif

practically arctica.

29.01.2008 19:03, PG18

practically arctica.

Probably, but I haven't seen any specimens from Greenland...

29.01.2008 19:27, Konung

29.01.2008 20:00, PG18

Thanks! And what will you justify it with?

In EXT. from adippa, niobe has a dark pattern on the underparts of z.kr. more subtle, black and contrasting, approximately like hecate in comparison with ino smile.gif

31.01.2008 22:18, Pavel Morozov

Boloria altaica Grum-Grshimailo, 1893
male top
South Khakassia

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31.01.2008 22:20, Pavel Morozov

Boloria caucasica Lederer, 1852
males
Armenia, Aragats

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03.02.2008 20:46, Andylog

Clossiana oscarus (Eversmann, 1844)

Male - Novosibirsk region, Iskitim district, 6.06.2004

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Female-Buryatia, Barguzinsky district, 5.07.2004
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03.02.2008 20:51, Andylog

Clossiana angarensis angarensis (Ershov, 1870)

Male - Buryatia, Barguzinsky district, 4.07.2004

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03.02.2008 20:54, Andylog

Clossiana angarensis samkoi (Sheljuzhko, 1931)

Male - Novosibirsk region, Chulymsky district, 5.07.2005

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03.02.2008 20:58, Andylog

Clossiana angarensis alticola (Sushkin et Tshetverikov, 1907)

Male - Krasnoyarsk Region, Zap. Sayany, 15.07.2004

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03.02.2008 23:07, Andylog

Clossiana tritonia (Böber, 1812)

Female-Buryatia, Barguzinsky district, 4.07.2004

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06.02.2008 19:50, Paulo

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06.02.2008 19:51, AntSkr

Is her undergarment different from the standard one?

03.03.2008 11:11, Pavel Morozov

Red Data Book of the USSR
Argynnis alexandra Menetries, 1832
Azerbaijan, Talysh, Lerik

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22.04.2008 14:08, Сергей Королев

Please help me identify the species. mol.gif mol.gif Of course, I defined them myself, but I won't write them down, because I don't want to mislead anyone by misidentifying them.
So, first the females. All Primorsky Krai, Khasansky district, Gamova peninsula. End of July.
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Females 2.10, 2.19 Primorsky Krai, Chuguevsky district.
Female 2.8 Primorsky Krai, Khasansky district, between Ryazanovka and Andreevka.
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Males from different locations.
1, 2 and 4 - Primorsky Krai, Khasansky district, Gamova Peninsula.
3-Primorsky Krai, Sukhodol (meadow on the slope of a hill, I really hope that this is Xipe).
2.2-Krasnaya Polyana, Caucasus. 1.700 m.
2.11-Primorsky Krai, Khasansky district, between Riazanovka and Andreevka.
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22.04.2008 22:14, Pavel Morozov

Yeah, I also have a lot of them from Gamow Peninsula.
Also a complete mess with them. Different sources write differently.
I used Tuzov's monograph edited by Bozano (from the series "Guide to the butterflies of the palaearctic region") and identified my friends from this book.
Right away, Mr. Nerippe is a female
2.19-aglaja
2.2-aglaja
a, b, c, 2.8, 2.10-in my opinion, the females of the coredippe taxon listed in there
2-what is called xipe there (I have already read about the inconsistency of this taxon) I also caught such a butterfly there.
1,4-possibly vorax males
2.11, 3-it looks like coredippe males

And now I will make a reservation - since these butterflies cause a lot of contradictions, and in different manuals the taxa are given differently. Take, for example, Korshunov and Tuzov. the presence of taxon xipe in the fauna of Russia is generally denied by some authors, but the question arises: who then flies instead of it?
I do not remember offhand by whom, but the Western author said that androconial stripes are not a reliable sign in determining.

I can imagine what kind of discussion will begin here.
It's interesting to find out for yourself.

22.04.2008 22:17, Pavel Morozov

In short, hello, consultation. smile.gif

23.04.2008 3:14, Ekos

Yes, there is a complete mess with these fabricians. We need to conduct a good audit. And what we have today is just chaos. I still conditionally accept that niobe, adippe and nerippe live in our southern DV. Vorax is also separated into a separate species (understood as an eastern analog of niobe), but it turned out that the holotype of this taxon is very close to adippa. So before the revision, I think it is useless to find out anything.

23.04.2008 4:06, Vlad Proklov

Yes, there is a complete mess with these fabricians. We need to conduct a good audit. And what we have today is just chaos. I still conditionally accept that niobe, adippe and nerippe live in our southern DV. Vorax is also separated into a separate species (understood as an eastern analog of niobe), but it turned out that the holotype of this taxon is very close to adippa. Therefore, before the revision, I think it is useless to find out anything.

Absolutely! I've been trying to look at various books, and I've started drawing a sign in Excel - but it's going to break the hell out of my head!

Before the revision, you can't figure out the type study here.

By the way, it seems that niobe is still not in the south of the Far East.

23.04.2008 6:50, Ekos

  
By the way, it seems that niobe is still not in the south of the Far East.


Maybe. But then the question is, who replaces it here?.. Some researchers thought that vorax, but it turned out that the type of vorax belongs to adipes. Then it's not clear at all. Although, on the other hand, I have caught specimens that are phenotypically almost similar to European niobes. Maybe it is, after all. And, by the way, "niobe" in the south of the Far East is very rare. Probably, you need to look at genetics along with the revision of types in order to understand something.

23.04.2008 11:11, Сергей Королев

In general, external signs for determining females are given somewhere? Let's say G-nerippe because it is "big" and caught on Gamow. And 2.8 did not come out for nerippe, except for the size?
And in separate publications (Guide to the BUTTERFLIES OF RUSSIA and adjacent territories), coreana and nerippe are defined as two separate species.
In short: "Genetics in the studio!!!"

23.04.2008 18:40, Pavel Morozov

Nerippe is the easiest to define here. At least in the form of submarginal silver spots on the underside of the hind wing. They resemble hearts.

23.04.2008 21:46, Сергей Королев

This is understandable, but 2.8 has hearts, but not so pronounced.
And male 3-both in the place of capture, and in size more similar to xipe than 2.
And here is female B - also unusual. I caught this one once in three years.

23.04.2008 22:39, Pavel Morozov

2.8-explicit coredippe (if by ace)
Nerippe always has "pronounced hearts", you can't confuse her with anyone else. Main background of the underside, top view with whitish spots near the apex of the forewing. So nerippe here is one (d)
male 3-maybe the most that neither is adippe
female B most likely, the form without silver spots, which is typical for mother-of-pearl Fabriciana.

23.04.2008 22:40, Grigory Grigoryev

The fact that nerippe is only one, I agree with MOROZZZ ' om
Hearts, not so pronounced, do not count. I used to fall for it myself.

24.04.2008 21:35, Andylog

Good topic. But I don't think that's all there is to it. Such types as aglaja, nerippe - everything seems to be clear with them. The rest of them are a nightmare. What kind of females, here with the males would first deal... For example, the taxon niobe/xipe/vorax. And these are problems not only in the Far East, but also in the Altai region.

First, a few photos. All are males.
Novosibirsk region, lowland left bank,
Fabriciana niobe (Linnaeus, 1758), male, FWL=27mm1
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Fabriciana niobe (Linnaeus, 1758), male, FWL=29mm2
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This is what is commonly considered the nominative, "European form" of niobe. Further east, another form of niobe begins to occur in the foothills of Salair:

Further, all-Novosibirsk region, right bank, spurs of the Salair ridge,
Fabriciana niobe (Linnaeus, 1758), male, FWL=32mm3
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Fabriciana niobe (Linnaeus, 1758), male, FWL=30 mm
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Fabriciana niobe (Linnaeus, 1758), male, FWL=
29 mm 5.picture: _DSC09883.jpgpicture: _DSC09877.jpg

According to the characteristic features - the presence of a thickening on the Cu2 vein but not on Cu1, as well as the appearance of androconial scales, these butterflies fully correspond to what is called Fabriciana vorax in P. Gorbunov, 2001 The butterfly of Russia: classification, genitalia, keys for identification, and in Tuzov et all, 2000 Guide to the butterflies of Russia and adjacent territories butterflies of this type are called Argynnis xipe.

All of these instances belong to niobe, not adippe. Just in case, for comparison - here is Fabriciana adippe, flying there, together with xipe-like niobe:
Fabriciana adippe (Linnaeus, 1767), male, FWL=29mm
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It is believed that niobe of this type are found in the Altai and further east. There is also an opinion that this type replaces the "European" niobe to the east of the Altai.

According to Korshunov, by the way, Fabriciana xipe does not exist, all butterflies of this appearance are niobe. Fabriciana vorax belongs only to the Amur region, Primorye, and has the appearance of an adippe.

To the west of the Novosibirsk region, in central Russia, niobe mainly has androconia as in photo 1, adippe-as in photo 6.

I also have a few questions about oriental butterflies. I'll write to you later.
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26.04.2008 18:29, Сергей Королев

Well, at least I'll add something indisputable:
Ch. zenobia penelope
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And a classic habitat. Here it was first discovered in Primorye by Kurentsov. Cheeks on the Sitsa river.
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13.06.2008 21:27, PG18

I haven't looked into this topic for a long time... and here this
is At one time osnolvatelno versed in this group. I presented the results in " Butterflies of Russia: classification...", although I didn't immediately guess the name for the eastern version of Niobe. He called it "vorax", and as it turned out later by Vasily Tuzov (who shot the types), this is an eastern subspecies of adippa. В "Butterflies of Russia in nature. Vol. 2 " Everything is already in its place. It is a pity that these books remain little known to anyone...
In fact, everything in the genus is quite simple if you take into account:
1. significant individual and geographical variability within each species.
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Thus, we have only 5 species in the fauna of Russia. Moreover, all genitals "work" (differ, although sometimes slightly).
1-2. Aglaya and nerippa fall off immediately. The signs are known.
3. F. adippe. It is perfectly recognized by the dislocation of andoconial scales (clarified at the base) only within the androconial spots (along two veins). In niobe & xipe, androconial scales are also distributed outside the proper androconial spots, along other veins of the forewing.
There are two subspecies in Russia: nominative (in the European part and Siberia)and vorax in the Amur region and Primorye. The latter is easily distinguished from all other taxa of Fabriciana by a narrow silvery spot at the outer end of the central cell of the n. st. West kr. There are no sufficient grounds to consider vorax a separate species.
4-5. F. niobe & F. xipe. This is a niobe complex. The second most clearly differs from the first by 2-3 times longer androconial scales, which form relief androconial fields along one or two veins.
It is known that the ranges of these taxa overlap, in particular, in the Altai and Kuznetsk Highlands. Niobe to the east is known as far as Yakutsk. Ksipe to the west-to Salair and Altai (I saw only ex. with something else). East of the Altai Mountains in Southern Siberia is dominated by xipe. On the plains north of the South Siberian Mountains(but not east of Lake Baikal) - niobe.
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13.06.2008 21:34, PG18

To Sergey Korolev:
g-nerippe
2.19 and 2.2-aglaja
All others are F. xipe.
I did not find any reason to single out koredippa from F. xipe. This is just a dark form of xipe, in males of which the long androconial scales form noticeable fields not on one but on two, and sometimes on three veins.

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