Heliconiinae; Argynnini

All this is fine, but if "Novorossiya" is already "DNR", then why "Ukraine, Donetsk region"?

Well, the cost of time. Everything is already changed

I want to warn you that this message on this topic here from me is the last. that would not clog.

Yes, my Russian is not so good. but advising with a question mark is strange!
it was a question and not addressed to you.

and my question arose because I became interested, because the name of the gathering place seemed funny.

Personally, a gathering place may seem funny to me, for example, if there is a five-meter stone in the shape of a horse's penis. Or some other curiosity. Label data is not strange - read Chinese, there are so many names that are consonant with this very horse... that such places, according to your logic, should be sooooo funny.

Tell us the truth simply. You are against using such toponyms. And the reason for this is only one - "Ukraine is over the mustache". A complete lack of respect for other people and peoples in this message of yours.

I apologize for the outspoken word, I will delete this message in a day.

I clearly wrote that it was not the place that seemed funny to me,but the name of it.
I don't mind using such toponyms if they are officially recognized (or if I don't know something?).

"ponad" - spelled together.

one issue should not be seen as "A complete lack of respect for other people and peoples."

and why is the horse's penis a funny creation for you, a curiosity? everyone can see something "different"in the stone

Let it be combined. I'm not in any danger of it anyway. I inhabit a somewhat more civilized state.

The next time you read the description of a funny creation, pay attention to its size. Of course, in Kiev, after what was shown to the state treasury and the city by Klitschko, Yatsenyuk and other gentlemen, a five-meter penis may seem quite normal. But for us, this is still a rarity.

People, and there is no whether on Forum separate themes for politoty? If not, I suggest creating one so that if a political doctor or trolling can cause it, the moderator can move the necessary posts there and the participants can discuss interesting issues until they are blue in the face, without clogging up entomological topics?

You can, of course, just erase - but transfer, imho, is better: you can learn a lot of new and interesting things about your fellow forumchans...

People, and there is no whether on Forum separate themes for politoty? If not, I suggest creating one so that if a political doctor or trolling can cause it, the moderator can move the necessary posts there and the participants can discuss interesting issues until they are blue in the face, without clogging up entomological topics?

You can, of course, just erase - but transfer, imho, is better: you can learn a lot of new and interesting things about your fellow forumchans...

Yes, there is a long time, already a separate forum: http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showforum=21
P.S. And from here it's time to cut out everything not related to mother-of-pearl. Regarding writing labels: everyone is free to write them as they please. The main thing is that the label is clear. I understand where the butterflies exposed by hugoUN come from. Isn't it clear to anyone?

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 28.04.2015 09: 01

A couple of copies. Brenthisdaphne (Bergstrasser, 1780) from last season.
Petushinsky district, Vladimir region, Russia Starye Omutischi. leg. Feoktistov V. I.

Apparently the species is firmly rooted in the Middle zone of Russia

In the Nizhny Novgorod region, it has always been ))). I mean, for the time that I collect there )))

In the Nizhny Novgorod region, it has always been ))). I mean, for the time that I collect there )))

It is a campaign and we, in the MO (in the East) has always been just not paid attention )))
By the way: the area where I collect them is approx. It is located 15 kilometers from the border with the Moscow Region.

Argynnis (Mesoacidalia) aglaja (Linnaeus, 1758)
20.06.2014 Russia, Vladimir region, Petushinsky district, okr., der. Starye Omutischi. leg. Feoktistov V. I.

Argynnis (Fabriciana) adippe (Denis & Schiffermuller, 1775)
20.06.2013 Russia, Vladimir region, Petushinsky district, okr., der. Starye Omutischi. leg. Feoktistov V. I.


This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 28.04.2015 19: 34

Of the so-called "small mother-of-pearl" (Boloria, or, according to other ideas, Boloria and Clossiana), only 2 species live in Central Asia:

- Boloria generator (Staudinger, 1886)
The pictured specimen was collected by me back in 1993 in the Chon-Kuurchak gorge on the Kyrgyz Ridge during my very first expedition to the Tien Shan, and is currently stored in the collection of Yu. B. Kosarev, whose fate, alas, is unknown to me...



- Boloria erubescens (Staudinger, 1901) (formerly called hegemone Staudinger, 1881), which is a homonym)
The depicted specimen was collected by me back in 1993 in the Chon-Kuurchak gorge on the Kyrgyz Ridge during my very first expedition to the Tien Shan, and is currently stored in the collection of Yu. B. Kosarev, fate which, alas, is unknown to me...



For the name generator, the combination Boloria sipora generator is often used (and mostly by inertia after the book by Tuzov et al.). Unfortunately, it is completely in vain: if we proceed from the original description (the picture is attached for comparison), then it has nothing in common with the sipor generator.

A couple of copies. Brenthisdaphne (Bergstrasser, 1780) from last season.
Petushinsky district, Vladimir region, Russia Starye Omutischi. leg. Feoktistov V. I......
Apparently the species is firmly rooted in the Middle Zone of Russia

This species is very local in our latitudes. He is absolutely not inclined to move in and take root. In the middle zone, it is relatively known only in the subtaiga zone and is very little known to the south, in the broad-leaved forest zone and in the forest-steppe. Therefore, the probability of settlement from the south is extremely doubtful, otherwise we would see it further south, which is almost nonexistent so far. Another thing is that when wintering conditions soften in the middle zone, there are outbreaks of population and some spread over several km.

Meanwhile, the issue of geography is becoming more and more relevant. For me personally - in the context of the section "Reports on hikes and expeditions". I didn't find a suitable branch for myself. To write in the topic "Ukraine, Moldova and something else" about Donetsk would be a gross disregard for the will of millions of people in the referendum, I can't do that. "The European part of the Russian Federation" is also not the same. So I don't have to write in that section yet. But Hierophis obviously signs all its copies (following the logic of the author of the claim to hugoUN): "Crimea is Ukraine!" not paying attention to the fact that all of them are collected in the Mykolaiv or Kherson regions. Did I guess right, Roma?

So that this message of mine is not pure offtopic:

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Male Argynnis paphia, Donetsk, 08.07.2011. It occurs infrequently, but regularly, in oak forest plantations. But for some reason, I didn't find a photo of a good quality much more numerous Argynnis pandora in Donetsk in my archive. We'll have to fix this.

This post was edited by ENO-08.08.2015 22: 13

This species is very local in our latitudes. He is absolutely not inclined to move in and take root. In the middle zone, it is relatively known only in the subtaiga zone and is very little known to the south, in the broad-leaved forest zone and in the forest-steppe. Therefore, the probability of settlement from the south is extremely doubtful, otherwise we would see it further south, which is almost nonexistent so far. Another thing is that when the wintering conditions are softened in the middle zone, there are outbreaks of numbers and some spread over several km.

Daphne has really expanded its presence in the Ministry of Defense in recent years - the trick is that some so-called "southerners" come not from the south, but from the east. In addition to Daphne, this was served offhand by Yuri and, possibly, Polyxena (there on the Oka, i.e. from the southeast).

This post was edited by kotbegemot-08.08.2015 22: 17

Daphne has really expanded its presence in the Ministry of Defense in recent years - the trick is that some so-called "southerners" come not from the south, but from the east. In addition to Daphne, this was served offhand by Yuri and, possibly, Polyxena (there on the Oka, i.e. from the southeast).

Northward migration is primarily observed in the Volga region due to the high diversity of landscapes and biotopes. And from there it goes west. But "our" daphne does not belong to the southern forms at all. It is confined to pine-deciduous forests and was known in the Moscow Region for a very long time. Just because of the locality, rarity, and low intensity of research, it didn't really get into the field of view - even 20 years ago, many bearish corners were difficult to reach for poor people, and now many "motorized".
Podaliriyj same approximately until CF. 20 century met here wider and more often. Why it disappeared is unclear. The current "warming" looks very favorable for it, there are no obstacles to settlement, but for some reason it does not fly.
Polyxena can settle only in river valleys with kirkazon, provided that the gaps between the foci are small. I have been observing this species a lot in recent years in the Lipetsk region. It does not fly beyond the isolated coppices with kirkazon. If the distance between the populations is more than 2 km, then the settlement is very problematic, except due to the occasional pick-up of the "founder females"by the winds.
But what you can expect in MO in the near future is Galatea. In the Lipetsk region, this species has recently become a local and "red book" species, which has become almost ubiquitous and numerous over the past 5-10 years. In Tula, the last 2 years there has been a settlement so far in the south-east. But it does not settle very quickly, along forests and coppices.

Laurel, and polyxena, and Galatea in the MO is not the first year there =)

At podaliriya-some kind of pulsation of the Moscow Region grouping is taking place, now the population is rising and settling - from a focus in the central Meshchera. It's the same with Daphne. Khripan near Moscow is a popular spot, but daphne has only taken root there in recent years.

In the Nizhny Novgorod region, galatea is also actively resettled, although in the early 2000s it was not even in the project. I actively collected all over the region, and I certainly wouldn't have missed this view.

But it seems to me that these conversations do not quite fit the topic of mother-of-pearl.

Laurel, and polyxena, and Galatea in the MO is not the first year there =)
At podaliriya-some kind of pulsation of the Moscow Region grouping is taking place, now the population is rising and settling - from a focus in the central Meshchera. It's the same with Daphne. Khripan near Moscow is a popular spot, but daphne has only taken root there in recent years.

But unfortunately, this is not put into scientific use - at the level of the inscription on the fence...

Said and done. I took a picture of a male pandora today:



There was only one butterfly of this species caught during the entire outing, while in the past years it was at this time that hundreds of pandoras curled in those places. I suspect that the abnormal heat combined with the almost complete absence of precipitation over the past month is to blame. Many steppe and meadow plants have turned into natural dried flowers. But nothing takes scabiosa, so all the local butterflies have flocked to its thickets. Including such battered latonias:



Another one landed on a wet spot near a spring:

Argynnis paphia. Saratov region, Russian Federation.



Argynnis paphia, a form of Valesina. Saratov region, Russian Federation.

I got my hands on the pages of illustrations from an old book (there is only a scanned copy of the cover)

And here, in fact, is Boloria eunomia (Esper, 1799). It is noticeable that the Latin name of the book has changed.


(Novgorod region, verkhovoe swamp in the surrounding area).Naschi, 7.06.2016)

This post was edited by molek - 22.06.2016 00: 02

A question for experts, what kind of mother-of-pearl can it be, which has absolutely no circles on the underside of the hind wing... and such a clear band of light inserts...? (not the fact that the sitting front side is the same...she flew away without showing the wrong side...) Taken on June 23, in the Novgorod region.

This post was edited by TLR-24.06.2016 00: 16

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With folded wings Melitaea athalia (Draughtsman athalia)
Probably straightened female Boloria aquilonaris (Northern mother-of-pearl)

With folded wings Melitaea athalia (Draughtsman athalia)
Probably straightened female Boloria aquilonaris (Northern mother-of-pearl)

Thank you very much, and here is another one, from the front side. Isn't that euphrosyne?

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Thank you very much, and here is another one, from the front side. Isn't that euphrosyne?

Here's euphrosyne

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Here's euphrosyne

Thanks! It seems completely hopeless to identify them from the front side.... I can't do it.

Probably need to redraw each one, and more than once... this is the only thing that helped me with hawkmoth.

Issoria (Kuekenthaliella) eugenia (Eversmann, 1847) (pair)
South of the republic Buryatia, Eastern Sayan, Tunkinsky district, Mondy settlement area

Boloria altaica (Grum-Grshimailo, 1893) (pair)
Russia, South of the Republic of Tatarstan Buryatia, Eastern Sayan, Tunkinsky district, Mondy settlement area

Boloria (Clossiana) frigga (Becklin, 1791)
Russia, South of the Republic of Tatarstan Buryatia, East Sayan, Tunkinsky district, Mondy settlement

Clossiana iphigenia (Graeser, 1888)

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I didn't find something where to put the mottled wings. Araschnia burejana Bremer, 1861.

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Fabriciana adippe ([Denis et Schiffermüller], 1775)

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Argynnis ruslana Motschulsky, 1866

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Boloria tritonia (Bober, 1812)

Russia, Irkutsk region, Olkhon Island, Khuzhir settlement area, h ≈ 500 m, 30. VI. 2016

Female paphias (Argynnis paphia)are very exotic in the photo. The eye does not "cheat" shades of blue and purple. The camera also better "feels" this range of the spectrum. So much so that in order for images to become similar in color scheme to how we see them, you need to strongly shift the white balance to the red side. These photos were not subjected to any "Photoshop", I never do this, and I don't even crop them. I may have to learn something like this right now, because I have to use a more primitive camera, but I hope it won't go any further than cropping. If, while removing the pathos, slightly shift the balance in the purple direction, they begin to look quite wonderful. At the same time, it can be seen that, for example, the color of plants on which butterflies sit does not "suffer", and it looks quite familiar. The images were taken on July 7, 2013. Laid out in order of offset BB approx from 7000 to 3500 K. Blue-green hues gradually fill the wing scales. Location: Lukhovitsy, Northern part. Weeds of motherwort (Leonurum sp) and burdock (Arctim) at the entrance to the pine forest (there, by the way, a lot of blueberries and sour grapes). The preview showed that the intended order was broken. But after these lengthy explanations, I think everything will be clear as it is.

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Males of Argynnis paphia [i], taken at the same time and in the same place. July 2013. MO, Lukhovitsy, Northern part of the city, outskirts of the pine forest

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Mother-of-pearl raspberry Brenthisdaphne. (Denis et Schiffermuller, 1775). MO, Lukhovitsky district, Chernaya Square, swampy area near the railway, June 19 and July 1, 2012. Sorokin I. V.

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Tell me, please, what kind of butterfly is on thyme? Belarus, Minsk region, Dzerzhinsk district, Negorelsky village Council, near the bus stop Asino, roadside in a mixed forest. 15.07.2017.

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