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17.08.2014 13:44, Igar

1. Thumatha senex (Hübner, 1808) male Belarus, Grodno region, 1.2 km South-West of Zelva
25-26. 07. 2014 into the light.
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2. Thumatha senex (Hübner, 1808) female. Belarus, Grodno region, 1.2 km South-West of Zelva
25-26. 07. 2014 into the light.
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26.08.2014 18:31, Victor Gazanchidis

Eucallimorpha principalis series from Tibet. Subspecies I don't know if it's principalis, ladakensis, or something else. Locale on the label. specialist help is required.

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10.11.2014 23:42, Гена

The yellow-winged Chelis maculosa didn't seem to be here yet. All series Khmelnitsky region, Pyzhovka village 15.05.2012. Even that night, the rather unusual Diacrisia sannio arrived.

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11.11.2014 0:00, Alexandr Zhakov

Class Series yes.gif

11.11.2014 16:00, Dantist

Cool series yes.gif

Yes, indeed! I haven't seen one with yellow wings yet. And the mannerheimi subspecies in this region, too?

11.11.2014 16:15, Konung

And I have a yellow-bellied Arctia flavia
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got caught together with the usual red-bellied...
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19.11.2014 0:07, Sergey Rybalkin

We continue to talk about yellow-bellied bears...
Such a female Arctia villica was caught in Dagestan, also together with red-bellied ones.

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19.11.2014 0:11, Sergey Rybalkin

But Callimorpha dominula came across in Dagestan all with yellow wings and a belly, such a subspecies lives there.

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27.12.2014 17:23, Sergey Rybalkin

Amata transcaspica
Yu.Урал, Башкортостан, д.Янтышево 21.06.2014

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27.12.2014 17:59, AGG

But Callimorpha dominula came across in Dagestan all with yellow wings and a belly, such a subspecies lives there.

I caught them in North Ossetia

05.01.2015 14:53, DavBaz

Our Pericallia matronula from the Moscow region. She was born in 2012 in the vicinity of the village of Luzhki (Serpukhovskaya district). It seems to have been caught in almost the same place in the early 2000s and earlier.

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06.01.2015 12:03, vasiliy-feoktistov

Cyana horsfieldi Roepke, 1946
Female, wingspan 26 mm
. 27. 03. 14-10. 04. 14 Malaysia, Pahang, Cameron Highlands, Brinchang, 3.30 '10.09" N 101.23'59.89" E Alt.=1600m. leg. Vishnyakov A.N.
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Thanks to Alexey Vishnyakov for the material provided beer.gif
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14.01.2015 21:14, Sergey Rybalkin

Rhyparioides metelkana (LEDERER, 1861)

Probably a rare find in the Odessa region. I only came across it once.

Ukraine. Odessa region. Belgorod-Dniester region, Zatoka settlement
July 1999.

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14.01.2015 21:47, evk

Well, really no one has any thoughts on my question above on the seaside bears?

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14.01.2015 22:35, Alexandr Zhakov

Well, really no one has any thoughts on my question above on the seaside bears?

And you try to answer it yourself, and people will catch up, point out mistakes, correct what remains, and make suggestions.
and I can't imagine how to specify photos that you don't have numbered, it will be a complete mess in the answers. Number all the photos and write down your definitions or thoughts.
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14.01.2015 23:37, komaroff

Suddenly someone missed it-on January 11, the Flora and Fauna Library posted a scan of Murzin's book on the bears of the former USSR: http://ashipunov.info/shipunov/school/book...oviet_union.pdf

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15.01.2015 10:41, Sergey Rybalkin

Suddenly someone missed it-on January 11, the Flora and Fauna Library posted a scan of Murzin's book on the bears of the former USSR

You can refer

15.01.2015 11:02, Alexandr Zhakov

  Rhyparioides metelkana (LEDERER, 1861)
Probably a rare find in the Odessa region. I only came across it once.
Ukraine. Odessa region. Belgorod-Dniester region, Zatoka settlement
July 1999.

Thank you, they live there. One of the few well-known locations in Ukraine.
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15.01.2015 11:08, Alexandr Zhakov

You can use the link

http://ashipunov.info/shipunov/school/book...oviet_union.pdf
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11.02.2015 22:12, barko

Diaphora luctuosa (Geyer, [1831]) Slovenia, karst, 13.04.2007

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05.04.2015 17:09, alex belik

Something's gone bad lately, my favorite topic smile.gif
We've already reposted all our posts smile.gif
I'll bring in a little "fresh blood" like a neophyte.

Acsala anomala, ♂, 5.07.1996, Russia, Chukotka, approximately 11-12 km NW. Bilibino, valley of the Sukhoi Klyuch stream, 450-550 m above sea level, on a blocky scree.

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I apologize to the community, but the PDF had to be removed at the request of the publishers. Those who did not have time to download, they were late smile.gifBuy the magazine, it is inexpensive (350 rubles). + forwarding)

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05.04.2015 17:59, alex belik

  Monosyntaxis holmanhunti Hampson, 1914
27.03.14-10.04.14 Malaysia, Pahang, Cameron Highlands, Brinchang. leg. Vishnyakov A.N.
I express my gratitude to Alexey Vishnyakov for the material provided beer.gif
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These are females. And their male is like this-the upper black one is small smile.gif
2.03.2012, West Malaysia, Pahang State, Fraser's Hill (male label)
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10.04.2015 7:49, Ольга Титова

At the end of March, a bear caterpillar was found in the snow on Sakhalin. A day later, she began to weave a cocoon. I worked for more than 12 hours. At the same time, it bent and wove, after 4 hours it turned over and wove, pupated. There is a round hole at the top of the cocoon. Probably for ventilation. I want to shoot the pupa, but for this you need to break the cocoon. Won't this damage the butterfly's output? Please tell me. And yet, I can't find literature on the bears of the Far East.

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10.04.2015 12:54, okoem

I want to shoot the pupa, but for this you need to break the cocoon. Won't this damage the butterfly's output?

Usually it doesn't hurt, but the chances of getting a normal butterfly will be lower. Therefore, in cases where a normally straightened butterfly is important, it is better not to open the cocoons.
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11.04.2015 15:59, alex belik

hole. Probably for ventilation. I want to shoot the pupa, but for this you need to break the cocoon. Won't this damage the butterfly's output? Please tell me. And yet, I can't find literature on the bears of the Far East.


I wouldn't destroy the cocoon either. Usually, after hatching, the butterfly hangs on the cocoon for a while, spreading and drying its wings. Remove the exuvius later, eventually.

There doesn't seem to be any special literature on D. V. Medveditsy. There is an excellent site of V. V. Dubatolova on Lichens of the former. A place where you can identify (from photos and genitals) almost all of our Lichens.
Lithosiinae

There is also Murzin's book on bears (Arctiinae) The Union. A few posts above, the download link was uploaded.

Most recently, a book by Mr. Kishida (Japan) on Bears was published, there, as far as I understand, is not all but a lot on Arctiinae.
A new book on Arctiinae by Yasunori Kishida. Format - 22x30 cm, 47 color plates, 56 pp. of text (in Japanese). I think interested individuals can order it directly from the author, Mr. Kishida, email <hitoriga1949@yahoo.co.jp>

Or from the publisher:
Roppon-Ashi Entomological Books
Sales manager Mr. Keitaro EDA
http://kawamo.co.jp/roppon-ashi/
EMAIL: roppon-ashi@kawamo.co.jp

It costs about 55 Euros, which is not very much for Japanese books of this quality.
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12.04.2015 14:52, Andrey Ponomarev

At the end of March, a bear caterpillar was found in the snow on Sakhalin. A day later, she began to weave a cocoon. I worked for more than 12 hours. At the same time, it bent and wove, after 4 hours it turned over and wove, pupated. There is a round hole at the top of the cocoon. Probably for ventilation. I want to shoot the pupa, but for this you need to break the cocoon. Won't this damage the butterfly's output? Please tell me. And yet, I can't find literature on the bears of the Far East.

This is most likely Phragmatobia fuliginosa.
I took the pupa out of the cocoon for a photo. The butterfly hatched without any problems.
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12.04.2015 15:32, alex belik

This is most likely Phragmatobia fuliginosa.
I took the pupa out of the cocoon for a photo. The butterfly hatched without any problems.


Close, it looks like. Only on DV. there is no Fuliginosa, there is Amurensis. I also found 3 of them in the summer. It will be too small for Matronula - 3 cm. But it was not possible to withdraw, one was affected by a fungus and died in a couple of days, and the other two pupated but the pupae did not survive the winter. I'm still a smile.gifbreeder
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13.04.2015 14:04, Ольга Титова

Close, it looks like. Only on DV. there is no Fuliginosa, there is Amurensis. I also found 3 of them in the summer. It will be too small for Matronula - 3 cm. But it was not possible to withdraw, one was affected by a fungus and died in a couple of days, and the other two pupated but the pupae did not survive the winter. I'm still a breeder smile.gif

Indeed, Sinev has Phragmatobia Amurensis for Sakhalin. I measured the pupa - 2 cm. I'll be waiting. I keep it in the corridor, where it's cooler. Maybe it is necessary in a room where it is warmer?
I found it on the site http://www.jpmoth.org/Arctiidae/Arctiinae/..._amurensis.html

This post was edited by Olga Titova - 13.04.2015 14: 08

14.04.2015 18:33, alex belik

I keep it in the corridor, where it's cooler. Maybe it is necessary in a room where it is warmer?

Yes, it is better in general on the street, on the balcony for example, or on a glazed loggia, if there is smile.gifAt least in the room can come out of the pupa earlier than in nature.
Wintering it is no longer necessary, so there is a high probability of getting a butterfly smile.gif
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16.04.2015 23:44, alex belik

Today I spent the whole day cutting blanks for mattresses, because it's time to open the season, and I, as usual, did not have a horse lying around - nothing is ready. Since this case is tedious and boring, I periodically dived here, finally viewing the topic from the very beginning. To understand what has already been posted, and what else can I brag smile.gifabout Of course, our main "goodies" have already been posted for a long time, but there are still tropics left smile.gif

I'll start with Lischainits.

1. Barsine roseororatus (Butler, 1877).
West Malaysia: Pahang State.
Left column - males, right column - females.

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2. Barsine cruciata (Walker, 1862).
West Malaysia: Pahang State.
Upper two specimen - males, lower specimen - female.

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3. Barsine lineatus (Walker, 1855).
West Malaysia: Pahang State.
Male.

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4. Barsine gratiosa (Guerin-Meneville, 1843).
West Malaysia: Pahang State.
Males.

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5. Barsine euprepioides (Walker, 1862).
West Malaysia: Pahang State.
Upper specimen - male, lower one - female.

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6. Cyana tettigonioides (Heylaerts, 1892),
males.
West Malaysia: Pahang State.

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7. Cyana malayenis (Hampson, 1914),
males.
West Malaysia: Pahang State.

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8. Hesudra divisa (Moore, 1878).
Upper specimen - male.

Below - 2 females of
Paraona micans (Pagenstecher, 1895).

West Malaysia: Pahang State.

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9. Paraona micans (Pagenstecher, 1895).
All are males.
West Malaysia: Pahang State.

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10. Macrobrochis borneensis Roepke, 1938.
Male.
West Malaysia: Pahang State.

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That's enough for today, otherwise the post will be dimensionless smile.gif
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17.04.2015 17:18, alex belik

Thank you for your thanks smile.gifI see, this is still an interesting topic. Then I'll continue slowly, I still have quite a lot to show.

First you need to finish with the Lichens of Malaysia. I will make a reservation that I defined them 2 years ago even before Buchek's book on the bears of Malaysia fell into my hands, so I may have to cook and redefine something later.

1. Tigrioides puncticollis (Butler, 1877).
Top three specimens - males, bottom one - female.
West Malaysia: Pahang State.

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2. Oeonistis altica (Linnaeus, 1768).
Males.
West Malaysia: Pahang State.

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3. Teulisna submontana Cerny, 2009. [???]
Top - male, bottom - female.
West Malaysia: Pahang State.

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And now it's our b-m rarities.

4. Top: Manulea (Setema) debilis (Staudinger, 1887).
Irkutsk Region, Khamar-Daban mt. range.
Male.

Bottom: Manulea (Setema) vakulenkoi Tshistjakov, 1990.
Male.
NE. of Transbaikal Territory, Udokan mt. range.

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5. Top:
Setina irrorella insignata Staudinger, 1881.
Males.
Upper: Tuva, E.Tannu-Ola mt. range.
Lower: Buriatiya, E Sayan Mts.

Bottom:
Setina roscida ([Denis et Schiffermueller], 1775)
Male.
Altai, Aigulak mt. range.

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Having finished with Lichens, we move on to the Bears. The Callimorphini tribe.

6. Haploa clymene (Brown, 1776).
USA: New York State.

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7. Dodia kononenkoi kononenkoi Tshistjakov et Lafontaine, 1984.
Upper 7 specimens - from NE. Transbaikal (Udokan mt. range), bottom 2 specimens - from E.Yakutia (Suntar-Khayata Mts.)

What konung (AFAIR) posted with Hulugaishi is not Kononenko. There is Transbaikalensis, although not quite typical, on the genitals.

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8. Dodia transbaikalensis Tshistjakov, 1988 [?]
From Buriatiya (East Sayan Mts.) - Mt. Khulugaisha. Tentatively determined as D.transbaikalensis, though there are differences in genitalia. I will no wonder if it will be a new species. However I cannot describe it on a base of a single and so worn specimen. smile.gif

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9. Bipuncture was normal, but this was not smile.gifOcd. Kyry.
Spiris bipunctata bipunctata (Staudinger, 1892),
ab. nigrina Dubatolov, 1995.

S. Transbaikal: NE. Khentei Mts.

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So far everything smile.gifis
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18.04.2015 20:57, alex belik

We continue the conversation smile.gif

1. There were males, but there didn't seem to be any females. Such a funny, almost wingless female
Epimidya dialampra.
Female: virtually wingless - Transbaikal, Chita district.

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2. Tinoliodes dehanna (Pagenstecher, 1885).
Upper two - males, below - female.
West Malaysia: Pahang State.

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Having finished with Callimorphini, we move on to Arctiini.

3. It seems that there was a northern subspecies from Canada, but there was no nominotypical one.
Platarctia parthenos (Harris, 1850).
USA: NY state.

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4. But look at the comparison, although they were posted separately before.
The upper one is from Taimyr, the lower one from Chukotka (Bilibino). For me, the difference is obvious.
Although it is at least not serious to draw conclusions from one instance... frown.gif
Pararctia subnebulosa tundrana Tshistjalov, 1990.
Top: Taimyr; bottom - NW. Chukotka.

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5. There was no such Kamchatka subspecies.
Parasemia plantaginis araitensis Matsumura, 1929.
Males.
From Kamchatka.

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Now the Micrarctiini tribe.

6. Golbeki was, but Gratiosa Rupicola was not. I suffered with it for a long time, even boiled my genitals, it didn't give me much, but it seems that Rupicola has a black-winged form, I found it somewhere, I don't remember.
Palearctria golbecki Dubatolov, 1996 (Top, male).
Topotype (Kirgizia, N.Tian-Shan: Alexander mt. range (=Kirgizsky), Tyo-Ashuu Pass).

Palearctia gratiosa rupicola (Grum-Grshimailo, 1890)
Bottom, male.
Tajikistan, NE. Pamir Mts., Trans-Alai mt. range, Kyzyl-Art Pass.

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7. This one didn't seem to happen.
Palearctia ferghana sussamyra Dubatolov, 1996.
Topotype males.
Kirgizia, W. Tian-Shan Mts., Talas mt. range, Alabel' Pass

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I think this is a very interesting group. It's a pity that everything is isolated.
8. Brought out of the caterpillar (which there was a lot of running around at the very beginning of June!)
and for many years I thought-and, just think, Chekanovskii smile.gifWhen, finally, straightened out,
I was very surprised. I regretted in hindsight that I didn't take more gusanos...
Holoarctia puengeleri (O.Bang-Haas, 1927).
Female, ex larvae.
Russia: E.Sayan Mts., vic. of Mondy.

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9. I wonder what Dubatolov himself will say. Aidas Saldaitis commented, but the comment was lost in the depths of the FB and I didn't save it, so it's awkward to ask again.
Holoarctia puengeleri perunovi Dubatolov, 1990.
From W. Sayan (Sayansky Pass) & Tuva (E. Tannu-Ola Mts).

However, it more fits to H. dubatolovi Saldaitis & Ivinskis! Now I see this comparing my specimens to those in Museum Witt!

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10. And the most interesting, in my opinion. Maybe a new species...
Holoarctia marinae Dubatolov, 1985.
W.Sayan Mts.

Or may be a new species, 'cause too far from the type locality (Marinae is known from Altai only)

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For today smile.gif
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19.04.2015 18:03, alex belik

1. There were males, but females didn't seem to be laid out.
Chelis strigulosa strigulosa (Böttcher, 1905)
( = Chelis thianschana Dubatolov, 1988.)
Females.
Kirgizia, N.Tian-Shan Mts, Kungei-Ala-Too mt. range.

picture: DSC05180_______Chelils_tianschana.jpg

2. Grammia virguncula (Kirby, 1837).
Males.
USA: New York state.

picture: DSC05184_______Grammia_virguncula.jpg

3. Grammia williamsii (Dodge, 1871).
Males.
USA: North Dakota.

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4. Grammia virgo (Linnaeus, 1758).
Males.
USA: New York state.

picture: DSC05186_______Grammia_virgo.jpg

5. Grammia parthenice (Kirby, 1837).
Male.
USA: Maine state.

picture: DSC05187_______Grammia_parthenice.jpg

6. Apanthesis phalerata (Harris, 1841).
Male.
USA: New York state.

picture: DSC05188_______Apanthesis_phalerata.jpg

7. Rhyparia purpurata gerda Warnecke, 1918.
Japan: Nagano Pref.

picture: DSC05192_______Rhyparia_purpurata_gerda.jpg

8." Almost " topotypes. I can't deny myself the pleasure of posting smile.gif
Rhyparioides metelkana (Lederer, 1861).
Top - male, bottom - female.
Croatia.

picture: DSC05193_______Rhyparioises_metelkana.jpg

Go to the Spilosomini tribe.

9.There didn't seem to be any females. There were only 2 of them for about 100 males! smile.gif
Eudiaphora turensis (Erschoff, 1874).
Females.
Uzbekistan: W. Tian-Shan Mts., Karzshantau mt. range.

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10. I was from Slovenia recently, but my Romanian smile.gifones seem noticeably darker. Or was this photo so bright for Oleg? smile.gif
Diaphora luctuosa (Hubner, 1830)
Males.
Romania: Transylvania.

picture: DSC05207_______Diaphora_luctuosa.jpg

By tradition, that's all for today.
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19.04.2015 19:03, barko

Alexey, there can't be any metelkan topotypes in Croatia. This is noticeable 700 km from the typical area smile.gif


on the left is a typical male, on the right is a Croatian couple

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19.04.2015 19:07, barko

10. I was from Slovenia recently, but my Romanian smile.gifones seem noticeably darker. Or was this photo so bright for Oleg? smile.gif Diaphora luctuosa (Hubner, 1830)
Slovenian ones are probably lighter.

left slovenian male, right moravian couple
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19.04.2015 21:41, alex belik

Alexey, there can't be any metelkan topotypes in Croatia. This is noticeable 700 km from the typical area smile.gif
on the left is a typical male, on the right is a Croatian couple

Hello, Oleg!
Finally, someone responded and diluted my "monologue", and then just some kind of one-actor theater turned out, already awkward smile.gif

Of course, it can't, I made a reservation "almost" smile.gifwith a special OD Metelkany, like there Lederer did not give the exact locale, only wrote that he names the species after the apothecary Metelki from "Siebenburgen" (the German name for Transylvania). Well, I looked at katrta - Croatia is just with [historical] Transylvania and borders. That's...

Did you know that recently (last summer, or something) Metelkana found in Italy?!

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19.04.2015 21:45, alex belik

Slovenian ones are probably lighter.

on the left is a Slovenian male, on the right is a couple from Moravia

That's more like it. The photo you posted earlier is clearly too bright. And Romania is still far from Slovenia, and even more so from Moraviasmile.gif, of course, all these are variations within the intraspecific variability.

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19.04.2015 22:06, barko

Hello, Oleg!
Finally, someone responded and diluted my "monologue", and then just some kind of one-actor theater turned out, already awkward smile.gif

Of course, it can't, I made a reservation "almost" smile.gifwith a special OD Metelkany, like there Lederer did not give the exact locale, only wrote that he names the species after the apothecary Metelki from "Siebenburgen" (the German name for Transylvania). Well, I looked at katrta - Croatia is just with [historical] Transylvania and borders. That's...

Did you know that recently (last summer, or something) Metelkana found in Italy?!
I also looked at Lederer's work. Panicle and his butterfly are from Dabas, 40 km SE of Budapest.

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19.04.2015 22:22, barko

... And you know that recently (last summer, or something) Metelkana found in Italy?!
I don't know. Is it published?
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19.04.2015 22:50, alex belik

I also looked at Lederer's work. Panicle and his butterfly are from Dabas, 40 km SE of Budapest.

In how! Thank you for correcting me! I don't know much German, unfortunately. I thought they were nouns of some sort, and I looked at them very cursorily, superficially. Don't you know, you live there smile.gif

I don't know. Is it published?

I don't know, I haven't seen it. Infa only from private communication. I don't even know where exactly they found it.
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