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14.10.2015 23:28, Kharkovbut

But what about the differences in contours?

IMHO, there is no guarantee that a certain " contour "indicates that it is a" hybrid", or indicates that it belongs to a certain"species".

14.10.2015 23:37, Wave Storm

This year I also decided to collect some yolks.

26.09.2015, Ukraine, Kherson region, steppe gully in the vicinity of the village of Burgunka.

picture: IMG_9368.jpg

For me, of all the light ones, the butterfly in the middle horizontal row on the left stands out - its wings are sharper. And the color is even lighter.

This post was edited by Wave Storm - 10/14/2015 23: 41

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15.10.2015 21:29, Сергей-Д

Sergey, how did you determine this?
And who is in this photo?

According to the angular shape of the edge of the valva-thanks to my wife, I cooked it.
Therefore, who is in the photo - also cook if not brood. And so divination: if in the steppe gullies where I caught caught such I would rather assume crocea No. 1 the rest of the erate.

15.10.2015 21:47, Kharkovbut

According to the angular shape of the edge of the valva-thanks to my wife, I cooked it.

Thanks to Yulia Google, an employee of the Nature Museum of Kharkiv National University. Karazina - actually, it was she who cooked it. So I processed and tried to interpret what was cooked.

Sergey, I would add the word "preliminary".

I mean, I determined it beforehand, until the circumstances could be clarified. I still have my doubts. For the supposed "erate" this very angularity is very different, from barely noticeable to very pronounced.

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15.10.2015 21:54, okoem

By the angular shape of the valva edge

Has anyone proven that this trait is species-specific?

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15.10.2015 22:02, Kharkovbut

Has anyone proven that this trait is species-specific?

IMHO, depending on what is meant by proof.

For example, Higgins writes about the attribute. What and how he "proved" -- who knows. But its "erate" pattern is extreme; there are also "intermediate" states.

I would start by proving (or refuting) that erate is a species.

Otherwise, there's nothing to talk about at all.

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15.10.2015 22:19, Nick444444

IMHO, depending on what is meant by proof. For example, Higgins writes about the attribute. What and how he "proved" -- who knows. But its "erate" pattern is extreme; there are also "intermediate" states.

I would start by proving (or refuting) that erate is a species. Otherwise, there's nothing to talk about at all.

Let me catch you some crocuses

." You'll cook them and explore them! At least there will already be some information for comparison!

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15.10.2015 22:39, Сергей-Д

For the supposed "erate" this very angularity is very different, from barely noticeable to very pronounced.

It is different, but it is there - the rabbits, although there are 2 of them, do not have a protrusion at all, just a rounding, even the weakest-angled ones have a protrusion noticeable in karate. Maybe even a rabbit to cook and if more "angular" come across-a smooth row will line up with erata.

15.10.2015 23:06, AGG

And the Mission will come with a neotype in one hand and a "molecular" in the other....

15.10.2015 23:08, Kharkovbut

Let me catch you some crocuses ." You'll cook them and explore them! At least there will already be some information for comparison!

Catch it.

Only without fanaticism: You don't need 100 copies (you can't cook that much in a finite amount of time anyway...), but 3-5 will be enough. And keep in mind that males are subject to cooking.

15.10.2015 23:11, Kharkovbut

It is different, but it is there - the rabbits, although there are 2 of them, do not have a protrusion at all, just a rounding, even the weakest-angled ones have a protrusion noticeable in karate. Maybe even a rabbit to cook and if more "angular" come across-a smooth row will line up with erata.

Maybe you can put "typical" instances and "intermediate" ones here?

15.10.2015 23:38, Nick444444

Catch it. Only without fanaticism: You don't need 100 copies (you can't cook that much in a finite amount of time anyway...), but 3-5 will be enough. And keep in mind that males are subject to cooking.

I'm not Arthur

. 5 will be enough

16.10.2015 19:16, Сергей-Д

Maybe you can put "typical" instances and "intermediate" ones here?

Are you talking about the genitals or the imagos themselves?

16.10.2015 19:21, Liparus

Catch it. Only without fanaticism: You don't need 100 copies (you can't cook that much in a finite amount of time anyway...), but 3-5 will be enough. And keep in mind that males are subject to cooking.

Maybe I'll get some time for cooking?How many males are needed from each form?

16.10.2015 20:01, Nick444444

Maybe I'll get some time for cooking?How many males are needed from each form?

Zhenya has already said how much is needed

! And in my opinion, crocea has one form (according to males), well, at least I met one

16.10.2015 20:03, Nick444444

Maybe I'll get some time for cooking?How many males are needed from each form?

You don't understand

! The version with Erate and Crocea, which fly in late October and early November, will be tested! And the fact that you caught there, then in the main erate and then it's all caught in SEPTEMBER!

16.10.2015 20:23, Kharkovbut

Are you talking about the genitals or the imagos themselves?

I'm talking about genitals and imago.

But that's all up to you, of course.

16.10.2015 20:26, Kharkovbut

Maybe I'll get some time for cooking?How many males are needed from each form?

Arthur, thank you! You don't need much. 1--3 copies. from the form. Not all forms can be used-in general, what you consider "surplus" for yourself. You can just give them to the museum , where I'll get to them in time.

16.10.2015 20:28, Kharkovbut

You don't understand ! The version with Erate and Crocea, which fly in late October and early November, will be tested! And the fact that you caught there, then in the main erate and then it's all caught in SEPTEMBER!

Oh no, Arthur got it right. You need to check everything. There is never much knowledge.

And at the end of October this year, nothing can fly at all - it depends on the weather.

16.10.2015 20:36, Nick444444

Oh no, Arthur got it right. You need to check everything. There is never much knowledge. And at the end of October this year, it may not fly at all - it depends on the weather.

In any case, you will find a lot of interesting and exciting work on cooking

16.10.2015 20:39, Nick444444

Oh no, Arthur got it right. You need to check everything. There is never much knowledge. And at the end of October this year, it may not fly at all - it depends on the weather.

Perhaps it is necessary to create a topic on a question that has long been of concern to me, also slightly related to jaundice in terms of the incomprehensibility of the species Pieris bryoniae?

16.10.2015 23:05, Сергей-Д

I'm talking about genitals and imago. But that's all up to you, of course.

This is the series as you move from a clear protrusion to a smooth rounding, before the last two conditional border along which divided the erate-crocea.
picture: erate_crocea1_1.jpg

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16.10.2015 23:35, okoem

This is the series as you move from a clear protrusion to a smooth rounding, before the last two conditional border along which divided the erate-crocea.

It would also be possible to photograph this row in ultraviolet light - what would happen? Ideally, the crocea should have its rear fenders illuminated, while the erate should not.

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16.10.2015 23:43, Kharkovbut

It would also be possible to photograph this row in ultraviolet light - what would happen? Ideally, crocea should have its hind wings illuminated, while erate should not.

Let's try it with time.

18.10.2015 8:40, Liparus

You don't understand ! The version with Erate and Crocea, which fly in late October and early November, will be tested! And the fact that you caught there, then in the main erate and then it's all caught in SEPTEMBER!

Do you think they'll still fly?It's so cold!

18.10.2015 8:47, Liparus

Arthur, thank you! You don't need much. 1--3 copies. from the form. Not all forms can be used-in general, what you consider "surplus" for yourself. You can just give them to the museum , where I'll get to them in time.

I will be able to transfer 3-5 pieces from the form!All forms!

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18.10.2015 11:52, Nick444444

Do you think they'll still fly?It's so cold!

Cold weather is when the temperature is below +8, then there is nothing to look for, except at night. The main condition: the sun is + + 10 in temperature and look for what you want. And erate has already left, so crocea should be searched for as long as the weather allows

19.10.2015 21:43, chuvilin

C.caucasica S.

Pictures:
image: _.caucasica_S..jpg

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19.10.2015 22:06, Сергей-Д

And erate already flew away

Yesterday I saw 2, the day before yesterday 1. They only come across a few. But Croceus didn't.

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20.10.2015 19:49, Nick444444

Yesterday I saw 2, the day before yesterday 1. They only come across a few. But Croceus didn't.

We need to search. It will depend on the weather!

21.10.2015 18:09, Liparus

C.caucasica S.

It is similar to Croceus

22.10.2015 17:39, Сергей-Д

She looks like Croceus

then to myrmidon

23.10.2015 12:49, usya04

Then to myrmidon

Rather like an aurora

In the field, males can easily distinguish themselves from rabbits even from afar. Yes, and it is larger than crocea by an order of magnitude.

23.10.2015 17:55, Liparus

Let's try it with time.

Zhenya, I've already given the butterflies to the museum!You can cook and shoot in ultraviolet light !

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23.10.2015 17:57, Liparus

Then to myrmidon

Maybe it's her (myrmidon)

23.10.2015 20:10, Сергей-Д

yes everything is normal there

23.10.2015 21:53, Aurelian

A detailed comparison of myrmidone, caucasica+balcanica and aurorina is available in article by siegbert wagener

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24.10.2015 18:20, Liparus

And what subspecies of myrmidone is found in the Chuvash Republic?Nominative?

24.10.2015 19:51, Сергей-Д

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28.10.2015 11:04, Liparus

C.caucasica S.

What's the line on the male's upper right wing?I often noticed the same thing in Erate (about 5-8 yolks), the line is all in the same place as in the photo in caucasica!

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