Jaundice (Colias)

The females were yellow.Or are they different in their spots?

I do not know whether white and orange females belong to crocea or erata.

White and orange - probably crocea. And from yellow females, I bred both crocea and erate. So the yellow color of the female doesn't mean anything. I don't know how to distinguish between yellow crocea and erate females.

White and orange - probably crocea. And from yellow females, I bred both crocea and erate. So the yellow color of the female doesn't mean anything. I don't know how to distinguish between yellow crocea and erate females.

OK!
Today I caught a white female and 15 pieces of erate males, there were also croceus (males). And Evgeny Karolinsky says that they have years until September 11!

This post was edited by Liparus - 03.10.2015 14: 53

OK!
Today I caught a white female and 15 pieces of erate males, there were also croceus (males). And Evgeny Karolinsky says that they have years until September 11!

The 11th number is due to a lack of observations . There's a lot on the site to change (dates). It will be possible to measure the last dates of the summer of erate this year.

This post was edited by Nick444444 - 03.10.2015 15: 08

The 11th number is due to a lack of observations . There's a lot on the site to change (dates). It will be possible to measure the last dates of the summer of erate this year.

Today is October 3 and I watched as a male erate emerged from the pupa and dried his wings.

Today is October 3 and I watched as a male erate emerged from the pupa and dried his wings.

something they bred quite a lot at the end of September . Probably because of the overly warm September.

And Evgeny Karolinsky says that they have years until September 11!

Unfortunately, the site has not been updated since January 2012. The new late date (according to my observations) is October 9.

It will be possible to measure the last dates of the summer of erate this year.

You don't need to measure it. IMHO it will be October 6, see the weather forecast (from October 7, the devil begins).

Yes, erats are now really everywhere and there are a lot of them. I don't recall such a successful year for them before.

You don't need to measure it. IMHO it will be October 6, see the weather forecast (from October 7, the devil begins).

Yes, erats are now really everywhere and there are a lot of them. I don't recall such a successful year for them before.

I could drop some dates in PM, but later .

Arthur, how do you tell a female erate from a female crocea?

By the way, Arthur, how do you tell a male erate from a male crocea? And what is "yellow crocea"?

I could drop some dates in PM, but later .

I'd appreciate it. It doesn't light up.

Early / late dates really need to be replaced for very many types, I have already accumulated a lot of updates...

By the way, Arthur, how do you tell a male erate from a male crocea? And what is "yellow crocea"?

It was all very simple for me in Yenakiyevo . Yellow-erate, slightly orange and orange crocea. All clean, without any hybrids.

It was all very simple for me in Yenakiyevo . Yellow-erate, slightly orange and orange crocea. All clean, without any hybrids.

Is this correct?

Can erata and crocea jaundice overwinter at the adult stage?
I met them in the steppe regions of Dagestan in November and April. And at the end of April, and these are the first warm days, there were already flown butterflies.

Can erata and crocea jaundice overwinter at the adult stage?
I met them in the steppe regions of Dagestan in November and April. And at the end of April, and these are the first warm days, there were already flown butterflies.

Interesting!

  
Yes, erats are now really everywhere and there are a lot of them. I don't recall such a successful year for them before.

I managed to collect a good series of freshly etched erate

These were mating.
18.IX.2015 NE Ukraine, Kharkov reg., Chuguev distr., Dachi st.. (Colias erate) 49°48'7.57"N, 36°36'51.10"E.

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the wings are pulled up too much.

Is this correct?

In what sense is it correct ?

15.IX-03.X.2015 NE Ukraine, Kharkov reg., Chuguev distr., Dachi st.. 49°48'7.57"N, 36°36'51.10"E.
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19-27.IX.2015 NE Ukraine,Kharkov reg.,Zmiev distr., Gineevka St. 49°40'54.23"N, 36°24'57.61"E

If I were you, I would re-arrange some of them .

In what sense is it correct ?

This probably means where such confidence comes from who is who. For example, all my "slightly orange" and even some "orange" ones turned out to be erate.

the wings are pulled up too much.

But androconial spots are clearly visible.

This probably means where such confidence comes from who is who. For example, all my "slightly orange" and even some "orange" ones were erate.

By forage plants. And by the period of summer. Usually orange yolks appear at the end of June (29-30 numbers). And erate is rare. I haven't seen any hybrids in my memory. Also, a distinct same color is observed in October yolks (20-30 numbers). Crocea is many times more common than erate.

Yellow-erate, slightly orange and orange crocea.

By forage plants. And by the period of summer.

Can you find out more about how forage plants, the summer period, and color are related?

What about forage plants?
We have met both species from May to October-the summer coincides, in the fall, of course, both are more common.
It is strange that in Yenakiyevo karate is a rarity - in the Luhansk region (maybe, except for the north-west itself), now everything is the opposite - there is only a few krotseya, there is a lot of karate.
Although in the 90s I remember at home in the fall crocea was at least common, and karate was rare.

What about forage plants?
We have met both species from May to October-the summer coincides, in the fall, of course, both are more common.
It is strange that in Yenakiyevo karate is a rarity - in the Luhansk region (maybe, except for the north-west itself), now everything is the opposite - there is only a few krotseya, there is a lot of karate.
Although in the 90s I remember at home in the fall crocea was at least common, and karate was rare.

Yes, with erate this year, the mega-generation turned out . It was first discovered in a Forest Park, although it should not be there in theory . But it was one male. Now let's go back to the Donbass .
Colias hyale/alfacariensis mainly fly to Yenakiyevo . If there is a large cluster of clover (only in one place). The last two yolks begin to fade from the first days of May. Erate came across only a few in 2013. Crocea was last seen at the end of October of the same year. Crocea came across much more often that year and earlier. Probably a lot is connected with the number. What is nearby, for example, a park, or a hilly area, etc.. In general, this year there were more crocea than erate.

all of my "slightly orange" and even some "orange" ones turned out to be erate.

Sergey, how did you determine this?

And who is in this photo?

Sergey, how did you determine this?

And who is in this photo?

Numbers 2,3 and 6 with pronounced androconial spots! This is a clear sign of hybrids!

Can you find out more about how forage plants, the summer period, and color are related?

Earlier and now I rely on the data of Evgeny Karolinsky. So, if you look at the dates of the summer of Erate and crocea, they are significantly different. Previously, I did not pay much attention to the summer period in the yolks. In 2013, I wanted to check some information. I arrived in Yenakiyevo on June 28 of the same year. Just a week later (July 4, according to diaries) I saw the first "orange yolk", and gradually I met more and more of them. I saw Erate for the first time, either in the middle of July or at the end, I don't remember (you can look at the diaries for that year). The color of the yolks in spring is lighter, in summer and autumn darker tones. Of the forage plants, I remember only clover. At that time, I was not yet engaged in breeding butterflies, so most of the plants I did not know at that time. Let's go back to the dates of the summer . Crocea should have the first generation, but for some reason neither Eugene nor I have seen it (as with armoricanus). I don't know how it is in the Crimea, but you should be much warmer than in our places . Erate flies until the end of September. Crocea is the same until mid-November. At the end of October, you can catch calmly crocea, at least in our area. True, I have not caught yellow eggs in the spring for a long time, so you will need to see what is there with their color.

Earlier and now I rely on the data of Evgeny Karolinsky.

Nikita, everything can be much more complicated than it seems at first glance. You write about Erath and crocea , but the problem is that we don't have a complete understanding of who is who, or how many species there are. Therefore, your statements like " Numbers 2,3 and 6 with pronounced androconial spots! This is a clear sign of hybrids! " or "In general, this year there were more crocea than erate." may be incorrect.

Links to my data are also inappropriate. If we are talking about data on the site, then it has not been updated for a long time; we have already discussed the" low "late date for erate. Also, the dates are mostly based on my personal experience and don't claim to be "definitive". Finally, data on the timing of summer may be inaccurate due to incorrect distribution of specimens by species. I apologize if I misled you (or anyone else). About forage plants, I did not give any data at all.

I don't want holivar to start here again... I would not like to.

Nikita, everything can be much more complicated than it seems at first glance. You write about Erath and crocea , but the problem is that we don't have a complete understanding of who is who, or how many species there are. Therefore, your statements like " Numbers 2,3 and 6 with pronounced androconial spots! This is a clear sign of hybrids! " or "In general, this year there were more crocea than erate." may be incorrect.

Links to my data are also inappropriate. If we are talking about data on the site, then it has not been updated for a long time; we have already discussed the" low "late date for erate. Also, the dates are mostly based on my personal experience and don't claim to be "definitive". Finally, data on the timing of summer may be inaccurate due to incorrect distribution of specimens by species. I apologize if I misled you (or anyone else). I didn't give any data about forage plants at all.

Arthur told me about the spots and showed me . On your site, I mostly rely on dates, but I understand that not all of them are true (let's say they are approximate). About the general availability of species. Colias hyale / alfacariensis should be checked for caterpillars, and for this you need to mow their forage plants and look. However, there is one caveat with Crocea and erate, and I have already mentioned it. Crocea has longer years, and only it flies at the end of October. And at the beginning of the summer of summer, only erate flies. During this period, they can be easily distinguished!!! This is at least in the Northern part of Ukraine (and the Center), as in the Crimea I do not know.

Crocea has longer years, and only it flies at the end of October. And at the beginning of the summer of summer, only erate flies. During this period, they can be easily distinguished!!!

How and why? I.e. where is the confidence that your definitions are correct?

Arthur told me about the spots and showed me .

Was Arthur breeding them?

This post was edited by Kharkovbut - 15.10.2015 00: 17

How and why? I.e. where is the confidence that your definitions are correct?

So in your opinion only aberations fly erate

Was Arthur breeding them?

No, in Geneevka I showed him a place where there are a lot of yolks, he caught a couple and said that they were hybrids,and showed differences in the contour of the rear wings and spots (or rather, I saw differences in the color of the black lines before his demonstration) in fact, he showed only spots .

So you think only aberations fly erate

Not obligatory. In my opinion, the situation is unclear and needs further study.

No

Exactly.

Exactly.

But what about the differences in contours?