Moscow and the Moscow region

I'm not quoting anyone, since many people have already joined in the question of idas and argyrognomon and pretty much confused me. In two of my pictures (message from 11.09.2009), the golubyanka, unfortunately, turned out so that the upper side is visible only at the right wings, of which the rear one is badly stripped. But I specifically remembered the top of the left side well, so there is a border on the rear wing with a width of at least 0.5 mm (which is also visible on the front) and very noticeable black spots along its inner side along the cells. It was mainly because of these specks that I was wary of suspecting the argyrognomon. If anyone knows for sure, tell me if such spots can be quite noticeably drawn in the argyrognomone. I always thought it was limited to just a very thin border; I've never seen anything else. As for the pollination of the veins on the rear wing and the general shade of the top, perhaps the sunlight suppressed them, but I think you can still see the pollination of the veins in the picture. About the undergarments: I know about the color differences between the underparts of these three species, but I definitely encountered a large variability in the shades of the underparts for one species in argus and idas (I rarely encountered an argyrognomone at all). Having carefully reviewed the pictures, I see that, despite the flying (and lightening on the underside) and bright illumination of the specimen, the" light coffee " shade of the underside is still quite visible, especially closer to the outer edge of the front wings (see the first picture), isn't it? But the main reason for my doubts about the argyrognomone is the same marginal black spots on the upper side of the rear wing, which, alas, can not be seen in the photo, but which are definitely there. But Idas also had to be pointed out under question – because of the too smoothly curved black "brackets"... In general, I hesitate here mainly between the black brackets of the underside and the black dots of the top.
P. S. As for the fact that the blue color "gives off purple", such nuances usually strongly depend on the angle of light reflection. According to the description and the male Icarus blue has a reddish tint, but (of course, with a clearly greater proximity of the same Amanda to the color of the sea wave) I still very rarely notice in natural conditions a reddish glow in the male icarus. For such a glint, you still need to successfully turn around. And in the literature, this reflection is indicated.

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 14.09.2009 01: 31

last weekend, Stupinsky district

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The copy is still intact, but it's already hardened. If you get your hands straightened, I'll post it.

This weekend, from 10 to 12, I caught the light (Ruzsky district, Lenkovo). The weather was quite normal, cloudy and without wind, but the moon still peeked out. It flew average, as always a bunch of X. c-nigrum.
During the day, I collected cuckoo caterpillars in wormwood. As a result, I found absinthii, fraudatrix, umbratica and 2 more species of cucullia and some moths, which I have not yet thinned out. Now everyone is safely eating in the cage, and the umbratica has already pupated.
Night Catch List:

Geometridae:
Abraxas sylvata
Ennomos autumnaria
Plemyria rubiginata
Eustroma reticulata
Epirrita autumnata

Noctuidae:
Catocala fraxini
Diloba caeruleocephala
Helicoverpa armigera
Polychrysia moneta
Allophyes oxyacanthae
Agrochola circellaris
Agrochola lota
Blepharita amica
Cirrhia icteritia
Gortyna flavago
Hydraecia micacea
Xanthia togata
Pseudeustrotia candidula






This post was edited by Zhuk-15.09.2009 18: 27

But idas and argyrognomon I think it is necessary only on the genitals, as the signs of imzenchivy.. 7?

Individual traits overlap somewhat, but in general the species are clearly distinguishable. Especially in the series.

After I saw a large series of okoemas that looked like pure argyrogshnomonas, which turned out to be idas by their genitals, I stopped trusting the appearance of argyrognomon and idas.

Andrey, I have quite normal idas in the photo. Although it is still better not to determine these types from the photo.

on the rear wing, the border is at least 0.5 mm wide (which is also visible on the front wing) and very noticeable black spots along its inner side along the cells.
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those same marginal black spots on the upper side of the rear wing, which, alas, can not be seen in the photo, but which are definitely there. But Idas also had to be pointed out under question – because of the too smoothly curved black "brackets"...

Black dots and black brackets have nothing to do with it.
The width of the border is very variable. I have seen Idas with a very wide border and a very thin one. It also happens in arguses - sometimes they come across with a very thin black border.

The differences between these three species are actually a lot, but they are quite subtle, it is difficult to explain in words, it is much better to show them on collectible copies.

Here, hastily sketched, somewhere like this:

Argus
- The male is well cast - from the top on the hind legs. an additional cell is painted black near the costal edge. Argyre and idas have it blue.
- The fringe of the male is white, very broad, especially on the hind wings.
- female argus-on the underside is characterized by a strong reduction of the red spot near the apex of the rear wing.
- The general background of the underside of the male is bluish

Idas
- The male's fringe is grayish, rather narrow.
"On the underside of my ass." there is a full row of developed shiny holes.
"On the underside of my ass." kr sharp white brackets.
- on the underside of the rump, black brackets are often pushed back from the edge of the wing.
- On the underside of the ass - a full row of red spots (in argus - incomplete)
- The general background of the male's underparts is light brownish

Argyrogomon
- The fringe is narrow
- Shiny spots are very poorly developed.
- Black brackets are shifted to the edge of the wing
- White brackets are poorly developed, rounded.
- Black dots on the underside of the KR small (Idas often large)
- The butterfly is smaller than Idas, the wings are more rounded
- The general background of the male's underparts is gray

From my own experience of observing argyr and idas near Kharkiv (Many thanks to Evgeny Karolinsky aka Kharkovbut), I got the impression that argyr prefers wetter biotopes.

Black dots and black brackets have nothing to do with it.
The width of the border is very variable. I have seen Idas with a very wide border and a very thin one. It also happens in arguses - sometimes they come across with a very thin black border.
From my own experience of observing argyr and idas near Kharkiv (Many thanks to Evgeny Karolinsky aka Kharkovbut), I got the impression that argyr prefers wetter biotopes.

OK, this is more detailed than my past knowledge. Thanks!
With all that: I'm used to the fact that the width of the black border does not change smoothly in the direction of increasing, but first comes out in the form of dots, and then the dots are absorbed by the black solid. This is – in large statistics-a progress from idas to argus, but with a very floating feature boundary (the border really varies for both) and with a frequent lack of a feature to determine. But argus is unlikely in this case (although in September a supermetric argus in these places is not a miracle). But the argyrognomon (which was mentioned here) with well-developed points was not seen, always only a thin border. This confused me. Well, we'll live to see.
By biotope. The butterfly was photographed on the first above-floodplain terrace on the left bank of the Oka River. In general, I usually met idas in the settled or simply very dry areas (in Lukhovitsky and Shatursky districts for sure). Argyrognomon also came across a few times, and then if you count not only on the MO.
For the detailed signs, thank you again! Oh, such a painting and even on the females... Yes, why, by the way, is it not mentioned about the color of argyra fringe? It is for argyre that every sign is worth its weight in gold...

OK, this is more detailed than my past knowledge. Thanks!
With all that: I'm used to the fact that the width of the black border does not change smoothly in the direction of increasing, but first comes out in the form of dots, and then the dots are absorbed by the black solid.

I never considered dots as a border. Just the dark line along the edge of the wing.

On weekends, I caught the light ( Ruzsky district, Lenkovo). The weather is nice, there were a lot of fraxini and c-nigrum flying.

The catch:
Geometridae:
Dysstroma citrata
Thera juniperata

Lasiocampidae:
Poecilocampa populi

Noctuidae:
Catocala fraxini
Axylia putris
Celaena haworthii
Blepharita amica

Lymantriidae:
Calliteara pudibunda (caterpillar)

And this is what we caught at my dacha in July with a hippo and sdi

That everyone has already closed the season? I haven't yet
Today I was in Timeryazevsky Park. The goal of the trip was a female Larerannis orthogrammaria, which was later found on the trunk of a linden tree. Males just don't give a shit. There are also a lot of Epirrita autumnata.
The catch is small, but pleasant:

Geometridae:
Larerannis orthogrammaria, female
Erannis defoliaria




Hmm, grbiniki or maniacs?


Epirrita autumnata


Larerannis orthogrammaria

The photo of the female didn't come out very well

and why did you stick the knife in?

and why did you stick the knife in?

it's not my thing, he's just stuck there...

This post was edited by Zhuk - 03.10.2009 12: 55

this is how he hunted butterflies)

or I wanted to get

that's how he hunted butterflies )

I once nailed a bumblebee to a tree with an axe in the spring,the head stuck to the axe, just threw it into the tree for nothing to do

Larerannis orthogrammaria is already well established. If two years ago I caught only one near Lyubertsy, then this year they are already full!

[quote=Zhuk,03.10.2009 13:43]

Sunday to Monday night, Ukhtomskaya street, outskirts of Moscow.
Plumigers flew, and so nothing interesting.
Geometridae
Larerannis orthogrammaria
Erannis defoliaria
Epirrita autumnata
Operophtera brumata/fagata
Noctuidae
Xestia c-nigrum
Agrochola circellaris
Notodontidae
Ptilophora plumigera
I think if you wander around Timiryazevka today, just like last year, you can find these crested flowers there.

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Here I am, finally participating in the topic.
From Monday to Friday, Anatoly Zhuk Marusov and I visited TSKhA Park separately and together every day in search of autumn butterflies. The primary targets were Ptilophora plumigera and wingless female autumn moths.
On Monday, Tole caught a female plumigera, a male defoliaria and one of the entomologists (Zhuk will add about this, his story is simply necessary)
Tuesday was my shift. It was cold and windy, except for Epirrita autumnata and Larerannis orthogrammaria.
The joint sortie on Thursday was more effective.
Namely:
males of Ptilophora
plumigera females of Operoptera brumata and Erannis defoliaria
are naturally their males, some of which spread their wings thinly.
There was a heavy rainstorm late in the evening, which probably just washed away many butterflies, but today on Friday we managed to find a male plumigera on the trunk of a tree, several fresh male brumatas and a very battered Amphipyra pyramidea on the fence.

This post was edited by Morozzz - 09.10.2009 18: 16

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(about this Zhuk will add, his story is absolutely necessary)

I also forgot about O. fagata males

So! Tell us who was in TCA on Monday?
So I go down the alley, I look, there is no butterfly. Strange. Suddenly I see a guy sitting near a tree and doing something. I get closer and see him stuffing something lepidoptera into a bag with tweezers. I've been going around the whole thing. He saw me, too, and quickly shoved everything into the boxes, packed up, and headed on. I had to pass him in a hurry, otherwise I would have been left with nothing in the end
I didn't write right away, because I thought someone might unsubscribe, but no one said anything.

This post was edited by Zhuk - 09.10.2009 16: 47

Interesting. On Monday, I was in that park with two of my acquaintances, but of the three, one is a lady, the other two don't look like a" guy " for a long time, and the behavior is completely different from what is described. And we haven't met you or the "guy" yet. Apparently, they went to the wrong places or much later. Anyway, the place is overgrown with entomologists; and what could you expect from the information, except for the excitement among entomologists, and from entomologists-except for the gratitude that we sincerely express to you?..

I went there alone and today (or rather, yesterday, Friday) from almost four o'clock, I went there until dusk. The rain is continuous, the trunks are all wet, I haven't seen any wingless females at all, the brumata males are either very fresh or just getting out, with their wings still curling, some sit with their wings folded and dry out (if you can call it drying out in this weather), plus the orthogrammary males, plumigera 1 female and 8 males. But, apparently, this is again not quite the right place (since the two of you found only 1 male plumigera on the same day, and you probably caught it before me - I mok there in the rain, when you already posted information about the hike). I saw two passers-by in total, there was nothing entomological either in their equipment or in their behavior, they just purposefully went somewhere through the park. Although, of course, who knows... Defoliaries were not found (the male, I remember, was found on Wednesday 7 / X on the wall of a building on Malaya Nikitskaya (Kachalova) Street at the corner of Granatny Lane).

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 10.10.2009 00: 30

... So! Tell us who was in TSHA on Monday? ... I get closer and see him stuffing something lepidoptera into a bag with tweezers. I've been going around the whole thing. He saw me, too, and quickly shoved everything into the boxes, packed up, and headed on. ...

Apparently, parya had read "The attitude of ordinary people to..." and decided not to waste his life listening to idiotic comments... Therefore, in the future, going on a "hunt", you need to hang on the crunch booolshoy banner "I am also an entomologist!!!"

And in the Ivanovo region Ptilophora plumigera can be?

Suddenly I see a guy sitting near a tree and doing something.

It was clarified today at a personal meeting with T. Zhuk. It turns out that after all, my friend is that " guy " ...

October 10, 2009, Moscow, TLCA Park.
Tt. Sungaya, V. P. Volkov, Zhuk, Macroglossum, A. Y. Elez.
Of the butterflies, in addition to the ones depicted, the following are noted: a single male defoliaria, males brumata are common (breeding continues), autumnata is single for both sexes, and the scoop Agrochola circellaris is not numerous. Perhaps a colleague of Zhuk as the owner of the point will remember something else. Oh, by the way: in the rotting trunk of an old oak (in the dust in half with shit), an open shell of a pupa and several larvae of lugubris (the species, according to T. Zhuk, is quite common there) were found in a state of active nutrition.

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Well, what can I add? Plumigery dofigishche Cool fished, I was glad to see everyone!
Finally, a photo of my catch:

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And in the Ivanovo region Ptilophora plumigera can be?

Not really, but now the fuck knows...

Well done! Just beautiful!
And yesterday on Krasnaya Presnya I also unexpectedly found Samuka brumata

Well, what can I add? Plumigery dofigishche Cool fished, I was glad to see everyone!
Finally, a photo of my catch:

There is an idea of wingless females not to prick, but to spread their legs beautifully on the die or triangle

MO, Stupinsky district

October 11, 2009, Moscow, TLCA Park, the same extended team.

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and the female moth in the penultimate photo is still a brumat.

On Sunday (11.10.09) I went to a dacha in the Chekhov district and found a leaf with two cocoons on a young apple tree.

This morning, the first hatched, and in the afternoon - the second Choreutis pariana.

On Sunday (11.10.09) I went to a dacha in the Chekhov district and found a leaf with two cocoons on a young apple tree.
This morning, the first hatched, and in the afternoon - the second Choreutis pariana.

Its English name is apple leaf skeletonizer
Are these found in Lyubuchany? Lyubuchany, actually Podilsky district...

and the female moth in the penultimate photo is still a brumat.

Perhaps, if only not some gray variation of aurantiaria. By the way, I specifically looked: just at the point where she had climbed out onto the fence, a thick birch tree (almost the only one along the entire fence) was leaning against the fence. True, the brumata, according to Koch's illustration, doesn't even have transverse spots along the ridge, but here they are very noticeable, so I'm hesitating, but I'm also leaning towards the brumata. In the picture, two bandages are clearly visible on the right front wing. That separate scanned file that I put on your link, among other things – is just from this instance. True, on the scan, the butterfly is so turned that the bandages are no longer clearly visible, but it is clear (from the joints of the segments) that the specimen is literally a newborn; when the butterfly was pierced with a pin, a drop came out, which partially fell on the wing. This usually doesn't happen.

Its English name is apple leaf skeletonizer
Are these found in Lyubuchany? Lyubuchany, actually Podilsky district...

Of course it's there. Only I still position it in the Chekhov district...

Lyubuchany, actually Podilsky district...

Of course it's there. Only I still position it in the Chekhov district...

Of course it's there. Only I still position it in the Chekhov district...

Very strange! Why???
It's just an administrative division...