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29.07.2020 0:35, ИНО

Answered in PM. And let Pan Stepov determine yinaturalizdy. I will only note that this is one of the few eumenines that can be easily identified to a species at first glance, and also one of the largest in the local fauna. Not to know it, especially against the background of knowledge of the most obscure pompillids, should be a shame umnik.gif

29.07.2020 17:03, Кархарот

For some time now, I had fancied I could barely hear a strange chirping sound from the material cabinet. I took out the boxes and examined their interior, but found nothing. The chirping was repeated periodically. A couple of days ago, I decided that I needed to deal with it decisively. I took out all the boxes and examined them from all sides. On the back wall of one of the boxes, the last in the top row, and standing with a gap to the side wall of the shelf (about 1.5 cm), I found nests of some wasp. A total of 16 clay "jugs", including 1 fresh (wet) unfinished, 1 started, but abandoned, 1 not sealed empty and the rest sealed, with clay lids. I opened one jug, and there were some small spiders in it, 16 in number, paralyzed, but apparently still alive ( or canned food?). I believe that the nest belongs to Sceliphron sp. I didn't see the wasp itself - it probably flew away. Can you tell me what kind of view it might be (Vidnoye, near Moscow, 8th floor of an apartment building)? I've never encountered them before, but they don't seem to be very common. I enclose the photo.

According to the nest structure, Sceliphron curvatum is more likely, since in S. deforme the cells usually have partially common walls. But this is not a guarantee, you need to output imago.
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29.07.2020 17:27, Кархарот

Who knows who Mueller got his hands on

This is why there are "regime institutions "where samples" lie in the form of dried fruits", but of course you will not understand, because science is not about you.
where it is also possible to revise definitions, and the specialist can always correct incorrect data.

In the case of colpas, this will certainly work, but determining really interesting material from such photos is possible at best up to the genus. And even if you are a cool expert, you will need confirmation from some baba Money, because everything is ultimately decided by voting.

Another thing is that some experts are clearly biased and do not specifically define the operating system there, and this is generally very bad from an ethical point of view, for this you need to deprive the salary jump.gif

Apparently, they prefer to perform their direct duties (for which they receive a salary), rather than engage in bullshit. Also, they do not "pre-bind" themselves on the macroid, buggid and a bunch of other sites.

29.07.2020 17:34, Кархарот

About "eumenes" - a worthy reaction for a representative of the scientific community of the RFII, which shows the essence well, the same is true in the case of Wikipedia - instead of correcting it, they make fun of it, despite the fact that they climb Wikipedia 20 times a day weep.gifAnd make fun of themselves umnik.gifBecause this is their Rus. the language segment in which they are the hosts, in English and Ukrainian everything is fine jump.gif

And the representative of Ukria can not correct on the Russian-language resource? After all, you communicate in Russian... However, in the "English Ukrainian" is also a mess, this is its essence, write ignoramuses for ignoramuses.

29.07.2020 17:46, Кархарот

Answered in PM. And let Pan Stepov determine yinaturalizdy. I will only note that this is one of the few eumenines that can be easily identified to a species at first glance, and also one of the largest in the local fauna. Not to know it, especially against the background of knowledge of the most obscure pompillids, should be a shame umnik.gif

In fact, there are probably two similar species, which do not always differ well in terms of specimens. Although, it seems that in the photo the clipeus looks flatter, so you're probably right.

29.07.2020 20:05, Hierophis

29.07.2020 21:09, Кархарот

There is no logic. You can also say that you are amazed at something there, because you don't participate anywhere else <insert custom site>. There is, for example, another site where I have six thousand photos posted and a bunch of definitions...
And "Western researchers" are far from all on the inaturalist. About the same percentage as ours. Because, as I said, this is not a job, but bullshit (I saw your photos of the os - I can't get any serious scientific novelty out of it - I remember there was one cool find, but the view was not determined by the photo). Although this does not mean that this activity is not interesting - of course, it's fun to take pictures of them, post them, and view them. However, all people have different situations in life, different conditions at work, at home. Some people don't even have time to respond to their email, and some people also manage to upload content to two or three sites. It's stupid not to understand this. Perhaps if there was an extra hour in the day, I would do something on this inaturalist, but I only visited a couple of times at the request of my friends. And I didn't put the orchids there, that's not true.

29.07.2020 21:40, Hierophis

As for the seriousness - this is who cares, but the scientific novelty on the Naturalist is quite there - faunistic, and moreover, such a site is clearly the place for faunal finds, including those that were made by researchers with the collection of material. Because writing a bunch of text in" serious journals " just because of a single, most often, find, without detecting nesting sites and studying the life cycle is just for show weep.gif


Here, for example, even the same stizus rufikornis in the Nikolaev area does not seem to have been recorded before, which is actually strange, since this area includes the Kinburnskaya spit, but nevertheless, the authors of notes about it indicate only kr. don. zap. and hr weep.gif
And here it is, in plain sight, and the definition of this species from the photo is quite reliable umnik.gif

A "serious scientific novelty" may look like this umnik.gif jump.gif

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29.07.2020 22:54, Hierophis

By the way, yes, the eastern hornet, it is also already there umnik.gif

30.07.2020 0:01, Кархарот

As for the seriousness - this is who cares, but the scientific novelty on the Naturalist is quite there - faunistic, and moreover, such a site is clearly the place for faunal finds, including those that were made by researchers with the collection of material. Because writing a bunch of text in" serious journals " just because of a single, most often, find, without detecting nesting sites and studying the life cycle is just for show weep.gif

I realized that in order not to be overwhelmed by pride and conceit, you need to deal with regional faunistics, while necessarily publishing nothing in the form of articles, but only on an inaturalist, and if you study the biology of species, you can not determine them at the same time, what difference does it make? True free science, what to say... It is not given to us, we have "empire", "regime institutions" ...

30.07.2020 11:14, ИНО

And the representative of Ukria can not correct on the Russian-language resource? After all, you communicate in Russian... However, in the "English Ukrainian" is also a mess, this is its essence, write ignoramuses for ignoramuses.

On the creepy surzhik, he communicates. What is only worth the adjective "Ukrainian", implying a noun-obviously ,the" language " weep.gifof Those who are Ukrainian in their own family, weep.gifbut I don't know this language better than this "titular Ukrainian", although I don't remember the last time I used it in what year.

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30.07.2020 17:34, Hierophis

By the way, about "high science" ))
Let's take the so-called "Red Book of Crimea", and read a note about the species Cr. rubellus, namely part of it, which describes ecology and biology,
I quoted below.
So, highlighted in black - this is a complete messumnik.gif, it's all the same, as if the compiler of this note wrote that Eumenes wasps nest in ready-made holes, and the entrance is sealed with various materials. Rubelluses dig burrows and never close them or bury them after filling, unlike, for example, the yellow-winged sphex umnik.gif
From the links in the description itself, there is a link to the CHKU, where there is simply no biology for this species, and to the determinant, I don't remember whether it is there or not, but that's fine. That is, the question remains where this data was taken from at all.
Well, the question arises about the reliability of data from other notes, but at least for example, about the ringed cryptocheilus, which in general is important in a certain sense, as well as a direct incomprehensible reproach in the sense that the compiler, in general, literally lives among all these species, but they did not allocate a couple of days so that at least just specify nesting biology weep.gif
These are not microscopic mazarins, after all, but wasps with such a size that you can almost see them from the ISS umnik.gif
To be fair, I will say that the problem here is very broad, after I had to read a number of similar notes and articles in scientific umnik.gifjournals, including about sphex, including foreign ones, and see there the same mess in terms of ecology, where you can see that the authors clearly invented, well, or rather spread the features of nesting some views overlap with others. Well, this is not a taxonomy, the main thing is to count the hairs correctly, and how does that wasp live there, but who needs it)))))

30.07.2020 18:41, Andrey Ponomarev

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30.07.2020 18:45, Кархарот

By the way, about "high science" ))
Take the so-called "Red Book of Crimea"

There is no such thing, there is a "Red Book of the Republic of Crimea". However, any CC is a so-so example of "science". And what slips in the so-called "Red Book of Ukraine", for example, I generally keep silent.

Rubelluses dig burrows and never close them or bury them after filling

Personally, I saw it in a ready-made buried hole. And it's very strange if he leaves it open. Especially if he can dig it himself. No type of OS does this normally. And not normally everyone can do this. How many observations were made?
well, just an incomprehensible reproach in the sense that the compiler, in general, literally lives among all these species, but they didn't allocate a couple of days to just clarify the biology of nesting

And the author also lives among cormorants, their biology also had to be studied just in case?
In general, the author should have been different, from your square, but at the last moment he disappeared, which is typical.
To be fair, I will say that the problem here is very broad, after I had to read a number of similar notes and articles in scientific umnik.gifjournals, including about sphex, including foreign ones, and see there the same mess in terms of ecology, where you can see that the authors clearly invented, well, or rather spread the features of nesting some views overlap with others.

So what? In many recent articles on nesting, I have an analysis of such mistakes by previous authors, starting with Fabre. Is this a reason not to read them? Only those who do not work are not mistaken.

Well, this is not a taxonomy, the main thing is to count the hairs correctly, and how does that wasp live there, but who needs it)))))

What's this all about? Demonstrate your limitations, or is it such a fat trolling?

30.07.2020 18:46, Vlad Proklov

4-oh-ho ho! Sceliphron destillatorium on Warrior Mountain!!! It is north only to the Oka River was known in MO! Now look for Polyxena there at the beginning of May, in the place where the kirkazon grows!
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30.07.2020 18:47, Кархарот

Moscow region, Voynovo Gora

Last (#4) - male Sceliphron destillatorium.
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30.07.2020 18:57, Andrey Ponomarev

4-oh-ho ho! Sceliphron destillatorium on Warrior Mountain!!! It is north only to the Oka River was known in MO! Now look for Polyxena there at the beginning of May, in the place where the kirkazon grows!

Sceliphron destillatorium has seen more than one and even a copula.
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30.07.2020 19:11, Hierophis

30.07.2020 19:19, Hierophis

4-oh-ho ho! Sceliphron destillatorium on Warrior Mountain!!! It is north only to the Oka River was known in MO! Now look for Polyxena there at the beginning of May, in the place where the kirkazon grows!

So there are so many of them there, and they were noted earlier.
By the way, here is a good example of how easy it is to use data on Naturalist, and how necessary and important it is to look at and post them there umnik.gif

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/27449873
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30.07.2020 19:25, Hierophis

By the way, if suddenly the author did not see how "this" happens at all, then he can look and think about how much it looks like a gap, well, others may be interested)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfPZW4FlDkM

30.07.2020 19:39, Кархарот

There is no such thing.

There are no more censored words left for your bloggers to sort out. Goodbye.

30.07.2020 19:47, Hierophis

Drain counted weep.gif

30.07.2020 21:50, ИНО

What is not there in Panov's opinion: the Red Book, the Constitution of the Republic of Crimea? The latter, in fact, even before 2014, was quite itself. But now it really isn't there... in Ukraine. Already, even on ukrosites and in ukroliterature, they began to draw a map of the country without it. But if you don't have something in your country, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist in the worldumnik.gif, including the behavior of the OS. The same species may well nest very differently in different parts of its range. The same polistas, nymph and dominula , are excellent examples of this. And pan is too prone to categorical global conclusions based on even 100500 observations, but made in one geographical point. I remember this quirk of his from the history of Katmenis, when, based on personal observations of the provision of nests by pigeon caterpillars, he confidently stated that those authors who describe the provision of scoop caterpillars are lying. A scientific approach? And he wasn't lying around!

By the way, if suddenly the author did not see how "this" happens at all, then he can look and think about how much it looks like a gap, well, others may be interested)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfPZW4FlDkM

What Pan means is that "it" should normally end up like this-with a tarantula's ass sticking out of its hole? eek.gif

30.07.2020 22:36, Hierophis

30.07.2020 23:24, ИНО

The sick are not envied, they are sympathized with umnik.gif

I will say more about katamenes: last year it did not appear at that spring, and this year, too,so far. The edge of the range is such a thing... Here is there is no have Pan Stepovogo, for example, nor one derzhitsya mating beetles-deer-he must beat in hysteria from envy lol.gifBut, by the way about watering hole, whether there is have Pan derzhitsya derzhitsya kataamenesa? At least I don't remember any photos of anyone's watering hole since the VNA coup confused.gifd'etat, but watering is also a very interesting part of the biology of the species, and Eumenes and Katamenes have achieved the greatest perfection in terms of water intake speed among all the oss I have seen during this process.

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31.07.2020 0:38, VitSev

Please help me determine the OS. Two families close to each other. Sevastopol, 30.07.2020.

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31.07.2020 0:49, ИНО

Both are Polistes gallicus (although some Geyropean molbioluhi disagree).
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31.07.2020 1:05, ИНО

By the way, yes, the eastern hornet, it's already there too umnik.gif

It sounded tempting, so I went to the enemy site again, hoping to see a "live photo" of the South-Ukrainian vespa Orientalis. And thereweep.gif's dried-up, the same familiar crooked copy that has been gathering dust on Pan Pan's shelf since the furry year, where he worked out early versions of nosey on Olympus. At least I soaked it and spread it out before putting it on display with my "Western partners". In" regime institutions", the corpses of sedge are treated much more respectfully umnik.gif

31.07.2020 14:12, ИНО

Another vivid example of the failure of yinaturalizda:

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The heart of a disabled person is prone to treason and change... Especially if he's a high school student weep.gif

However, the white sahib can hide much more painfully:

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Everyone, please remove the EU flag from the wall and put a portrait of Nazarbayev in its place jump.gif

But here is the main question: if the next "high school student", under each supervision of Pan Stepov, not approved by the Troika, purely out of harmfulness or stupidity, declares: "Baba Yaga is against", then they are all canceled, right? And if under the approved one? Shitmocratic opdistribution as it is weep.gif

31.07.2020 23:13, MacrohunterLS

Redd. kr. Foothills. Megahills? or another gender

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31.07.2020 23:20, ИНО

In my opinion, liturgus.

01.08.2020 14:38, Кархарот

geyropeyskie molbiolukhi
Even if their article deserves criticism, then this is not a reason to offend the authors so baselessly. I could have raised a number of substantive objections, since I am familiar with some of the team from that work, but I already spent a lot of time arguing pointlessly with the Nazi and provocateur Hirofis and his "imperial taxonomists", so he is no longer there for your similar near-term aggression.

I'll try not to come here again at all. Finally, I will just quote that quote from my article on katamenes. It is not clear where this stricken person found a certain "reinforced only". Just a statement of what was known at that time:

01.08.2020 15:02, TimK

  

I'll try not to come here again at all.


You shouldn't have said that, Alexander. This site is a great boon for hobbyists who want to identify the photographed insect. And if the experts leave, who will determine?
Don't waste your time with assholes. But normal people still need to be helped. Who, if not you?

03.08.2020 10:07, MacrohunterLS

Foothills, Zap. Caucasus
Heriades ?
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04.08.2020 19:48, Slavinator

Saratov region, Tatishchevsky district, Vyazovka village, April

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Saratov region, Engelsky district, Podgornoye village, May

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Spangles of Chrysis ignita and Chrysis angolensis?

04.08.2020 19:52, Slavinator

Saratov region, Engelsky district, Podgornoye village, July

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05.08.2020 18:21, TimK

Saratov region, Engelsky district, Podgornoye village, July



On the first two some kind of mirmika.
More years at Lasius flavus, as I understand it.

06.08.2020 22:34, Slavinator

Saratov region, Novoburassky district, today

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06.08.2020 22:45, ИНО

Formica sp.
Lasius fuliginosus
Vespa crabro - how can you not know?
Bombus sp.

06.08.2020 22:57, Slavinator

Formica sp.
Lasius fuliginosus
Vespa crabro - how can you not know?
Bombus sp.


Vespa crabro - how can you not know? - suddenly not ordinary) is not good at recognizing
Formica sp. - are there many options? M. B. krasnoshcheky?

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