Identification of Lepidoptera (Butterflies and Moths)

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01.01.2018 4:47, vidjl

Or maybe in photo 2 ( on this page) - Pancalia leuwenhoekella?
Tell me more please on pestriankam.

I put it off for later and forgot about number two), no, this is not Pancalia leuwenhoekella. You have three species in your region so far, Pancalia leuwenhoekella has a different pattern than yours, but you have it in your region, there is still P. schwarzella and P. nodosella, my opinion is still Pancalia nodosella (according to the mustache and pattern)
1. I think Zygaena viciae
2. This is a mutation of the drawing, and what kind of motley bird I can't even say for sure. Maybe lonicerae and viciae, more similar to loti, it has individuals with such a vague pattern. The fact that in August, there is a delay of some kind. There are specialists in mottling here, they will tell you more precisely.

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02.01.2018 1:44, Пензуит

You just need to look for them correctly, I think you should often come across them. For the Penza region, a mass of species is given.
Even now, it's not hard for me to find them. In winter, at - 26 degrees, I go to the forest, find dry trees, tear off dry straggling bark, and find a lot of wintering insects, Depressaria come across among many different small moths and wintering shovels. And at home in a warm place, all this comes to life. New Year's Eve was celebrated by a couple of Agonopterix propinquella, 4 scoops of S. libatrix from December 28 brought, and 4 just released firebrands.

Wow -26 degrees! We have this winter column below -7 did not fall! And today, in the city at subzero temperatures, I found a caterpillar that was crawling on ice! Miracles! I'll post it a little later.
I also sometimes peel the bark off trees, but this is mostly in April-May, or even in summer. In fact, there are not many dry trees in the forest that can be stripped of their bark. Usually, either the bark is no longer there, or it does not peel off in any way! Here's how to learn how to put the bark back on so that it can be peeled off several times a year? Otherwise, on my favorite route, I already tore off all the bark from the trees in the summer, but in winter there is nothing to tear off! You'll have to learn new routes!

02.01.2018 5:18, vidjl

Wow -26 degrees! We have this winter column below -7 did not fall! And today, in the city at subzero temperatures, I found a caterpillar that was crawling on ice! Miracles! I'll post it a little later.
I also sometimes peel the bark off trees, but this is mostly in April-May, or even in summer. In fact, there are not many dry trees in the forest that can be stripped of their bark. Usually, either the bark is no longer there, or it does not peel off in any way! Here's how to learn how to put the bark back on so that it can be peeled off several times a year? Otherwise, on my favorite route, I already tore off all the bark from the trees in the summer, but in winter there is nothing to tear off! You'll have to learn new routes!

I envy you, you were lucky with the weather! Since September, it has already dropped to - 12, October was surprisingly warm, from -12 to +7 even. I listen to reports on Moscow, just some tropics, in winter it's almost +10 and rain is hard to imagine

, and the New Year without snow! Our winter is a thaw from -10, and frosts to -40 and more. The most amazing thing is the mass of representatives of African countries who have arrived and are walking around the city, and for some reason they do not freeze). Daily reports only, for the entire holiday week - 29, -35, at night it is always much colder.
Unfortunately, there are quite a lot of dry trees in our forest, the forest is drying up... and from the region there is a string of logging trucks with trunks of coniferous trees, this is a very sad picture(

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04.01.2018 1:01, Пензуит

I envy you, you were lucky with the weather! Since September, it has already dropped to - 12, October was surprisingly warm, from -12 to +7 even. I listen to reports on Moscow, just some tropics, in winter it's almost +10 and rain is hard to imagine, and the New Year without snow! Our winter is a thaw from -10, and frosts to -40 and more. The most amazing thing is the mass of representatives of African countries who have arrived and are walking around the city, and for some reason they do not freeze). Daily reports only, for the entire holiday week - 29, -35, at night it is always much colder.
Unfortunately, there are quite a lot of dry trees in our forest, the forest is drying up... and from the region there is a string of logging trucks with trunks of coniferous trees, this is a very sad picture(

We also have a sad picture - soon there will be no pine forests left. Previously, at least new pine trees were planted in the clearings, but now they are either not planted, or their deciduous trees are then silenced. Here, as luck would have it, in recent years the weather is very bad, which is not very useful for insects. And mobile phones certainly make their contribution, especially since modern phones and databases are becoming more and more high-frequency. How does it feel now for male insects to track their females with so much interference? Soon, instead of insects, Negroes and Chinese will be photographed and identified.

Something about my pestryanka number 2 is not detected in any way. I think that this is unlikely to be a loti-the legs are dark and the mace of the antennae is quite long. It is also not very similar to lonicerae and viciae-the spots are not only reduced, but their number and location also do not coincide. In addition, lonicerae and viciae have never been found in this place at all (this is near my dacha). Biotope - near the dacha area, a river and large meadows. The forest is about a kilometer away.

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06.01.2018 0:33, Пензуит

You just need to look for them correctly, I think you should often come across them. For the Penza region, a mass of species is given.
Even now, it's not hard for me to find them. In winter, at - 26 degrees, I go to the forest, find dry trees, tear off dry straggling bark, and find a lot of wintering insects, Depressaria come across among many different small moths and wintering shovels. And at home in a warm place, all this comes to life. New Year's Eve was celebrated by a couple of Agonopterix propinquella, 4 scoops of S. libatrix from December 28 brought, and 4 just released firebrands.

I tried that too. I'll tell you - it's very inefficient, but it will work for the winter. I walked through the forest for at least 12 km, found about 30-40 trees along the entire length, from which it was possible to strip the bark, and as a result of all my efforts, I found only a few species. Mostly there are spiders and millipedes, which are surprisingly active in the cold -5, then gold-eyes, a couple of beetle species and beetle larvae. Of the butterflies, only the following came across:

1. Some caterpillars. They overwinter under the bark in large numbers - but only one of this species.

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2. Of the adult butterflies for the whole day, only this, some kind of flat moth Depressaria, was caught

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In the future, I'm thinking of taking a hammer and nails with me so that I can nail the bark back into place after shooting. Otherwise, there is nothing to tear off next time on this route, and changing routes every time in the summer is also not interesting. In the summer, you can only take pliers with you - I tore off the bark, looked at it and nailed it back with pliers. This may seem ridiculous to some, but believe me, finding a dry tree with bark in the forest will take much longer than taking out nails and hammering them back in.

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06.01.2018 1:38, vidjl

1. Some caterpillars. They overwinter under the bark in large numbers - but only one of this species.
2. Of the adult butterflies for the whole day, only this one came across, some kind of flat moth Depressaria
For the future, I think I'll take a hammer and nails with me so that after shooting I can nail the bark in place. Otherwise, there is nothing to tear off next time on this route, and changing routes every time in the summer is also not interesting. In the summer, you can only take pliers with you - I tore off the bark, looked at it and nailed it back with pliers. This may seem ridiculous to some, but believe me, finding a dry tree with bark in the forest will take much longer than taking out nails and hammering them back in.

Well, you are lucky, the caterpillars are beautiful-Polia nebulosa, it would be possible to collect, the butterflies would wait. And the moth-Depressaria albipunctella, a fairly frequent species, also overwinters, in the spring they choose to warm themselves on the bark. If you decide to collect caterpillars, do not immediately put them in the heat, they may die, or put them in the refrigerator down, or on the balcony (loggia), placing them in a jar with small sawdust. In the spring they will pupate, and the butterflies will come out 50-58 mm in wingspan.
You want to nail the bark to the trees there

, but I almost got hit by a huge poplar tree, I managed to jump back in time. In the floodplain of the river, 5 trees fall per day, and large ones at that. It was snowing heavily the other day, at -20 degrees, all the branches of the trees are covered in snow, you go to see what's under the bark, there's a snow cap on top of your head, and you stand like a snowman. The wind blows a little on, then really.

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