Lycaenidae

This year, such a migrant was pleased with his presence
Leptotes pirithous (LINNAEUS, 1767)
Odessa region, early August 2013
male

female

isp

Chervonets ochimus (Lycaena ochimus) - Georgia, Atskuri Publ., 2013.

I consider it absolutely necessary to post this article here, and I hope that Stanislav Konstantinovich will not be in a big complaint, since this article is in the public domain.
I understand that the Author is a modest person, but not to the same extent!
Still a new look for the European part! Congratulations!

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It would be just great if the author, as a modest person, posted more images of both types of drugs, otherwise it is not clear whether it is long or short, and what to compare it with. After that, it is believed that the area of both in Russia will be possible to outline at least approximately in a short time.

b - alexis
c - laetifica

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b - alexis
c - laetifica

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Aren't there any images of the entire genitals? Or is the rest identical? Tuzov and Co. have some differences in the shape of valva and unkus/gnathos in the figure, but they may be apparent (depending on the projection). By the way, the ratio of aedeagus lengths there is not so striking... Error or inaccuracy in the drawing? Variability?

PS: At "b" the vesica is not turned out, but at "c" it is turned out, or am I imagining it? Does this create an unhealthy illusion?

There are other genital differences. But the length of the aedeagus is the brightest.

Vesica does not create illusions here.

Other images of genitals from this article will not be posted - in the magazine Atalanta everything is there, Ulf did not give me permission to post his articles.

Other images of genitals from this article will not be posted - Atalanta magazine has everything, Ulf did not give me permission to post my articles.

Is it about this article?

Korb S.K. 2012. To the systematics of blue butterflies of the genus Glaucopsyche Scudder, 1872 in the Tian-Shan mountains (Lepidoptera, Lycaenidae) // Alatanta. Vol. 43, N 1/2. P. 173 – 180.

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This photo of Glaucopsyche laetifica in coppula from the Svyatoslav Knyazev Macro Club has been on my PC for a couple of years with the marking-check the Penza material...

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This photo (I think it's from molbiol) has been on my PC for several years now, marked check Penza material...

It is necessary to cook. In appearance, laetifica differs from alexis extremely difficult and only from the valley of the river. Or-and then not always. I collected at or in a dozen locations, and everywhere the material is different in appearance (very high variability).

In general, I must say that a lot of things in golubyanki depend on forage. B. V. Stradomsky has already noted this, and I confirm it with my research. By next summer, I will be preparing an article based on my Tien Shan material, according to Plebeius of the idas group - Messrs. Zhdanko and Churkin have made a lot of noise in taxonomy at present, but in fact there are no more than three species found throughout the Tien Shan-just different plants eat in different places. I specifically bred them in different conditions, got wildly different phenotypes, very strongly "knitting" under different "species" - and, most interestingly,from one female. And what is even more interesting is that my legs have left for sequencing, and I really want to see if the markers will float depending on different food plants. If they swim , then the duck can be buried at least for pigeons...

b - alexis
c - laetifica

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And it is very interesting, what kind of pigeon flies everywhere in the Rostov region?

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I'm betting on Alexis!

alexis 100 %
not the fact that laetifica goes so far north.

Here are the genitalia of the laetifica lectotype

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alexis 100 %
it is not a fact that laetifica goes so far north.

Well, Rostov is almost parallel to Astrakhan will be.
Here is a comparison of the aedeagus, as well as the valva and dorsal structures on the ventral side of the same specimen.

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Yes, the similarity is obvious.

Neotype of Alexis from under Vienna. Edeagus is noticeably different.

I conclude that Laetifica is much more common in the south than Alexis. Obviously, the species are vicarious.

Then the distribution of aeruginosa should also be reviewed. There will be a total cooking of everything and everything...

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I would like to see a picture of the genitals of a typical Alexis

I'd like to see a picture of the genitals of a typical Alexis

So it's also in the previous photo.
Pay attention to the shape of the valvae, their dorsal edge!

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It would be interesting to know what the caterpillars of laetifica develop on ...

  
Neotype of Alexis from under Vienna. Edeagus is noticeably different.

I conclude that Laetifica is much more common in the south than Alexis. Obviously, the species are vicarious.

Then the distribution of aeruginosa should also be reviewed. There will be a total cooking of everything and everything...

Look, it's impossible to understand anything. How to distinguish between these types? Give me at least a couple of comparative pictures.
And what is the conclusion about vicarity? As far as I understand, vicar species do not live together.

I support Valentine. What is above are not comparative photos, and the shape of the costal edge of the valva will strongly depend on the degree of its flatness. If you say that species are bred according to the proportions of aedeagus to (probably) valvae, then you can somehow simply bring - even if not typical, but typical-preparations to understand the differences? While all this flickering valv really does not reflect anything, as well as edeagus without reference to something.

Well, but in the personal account I have an article to request in any way?

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North America, Southwest Idaho

Female Corydonius with a blue coating.

Why caucasicus? Where do the instances come from?

Caucasicus from Armenia. Melemarina from near Gelendzhik.
Caucasicus is probably correct to be Caucasica.

No, that's right-P. corydonius caucasicus.

We cooked in our Nature Museum all Glaucopsyche from the Kharkiv region and some other places in Ukraine, as well as three Central Asian ones. The result-IMHO they are all G. alexis.

Stanislav: what is the strange thing written in the paper about the ratio of the width of the aedeagus and the width of the valva? How is it that aedeagus is wider than Valva? Lost in translation? Maybe it meant that the width of the aedeagus is greater/less than half the width of the valva? In other words, is valva larger/less than twice as wide as aedeagus?

We cooked in our Nature Museum all Glaucopsyche from the Kharkiv region and some other places in Ukraine, as well as three Central Asian ones. The result-IMHO they are all G. alexis.

Stanislav: what is the strange thing written in the paper about the ratio of the width of the aedeagus and the width of the valva? How is it that aedeagus is wider than Valva? Lost in translation? Maybe it meant that the width of the aedeagus is greater/less than half the width of the valva? In other words, is valva larger/less than twice as wide as aedeagus?

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. The work went through someone in the editorial office of Atalanta, who is a native speaker-obviously, he "ate" a few words.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. The work went through someone in the editorial office of Atalanta, who is a native speaker-obviously, he "ate" a few words.

Another time, publish such important things where there are no low-level editors

Another time, publish such important things where there are no low-level editors.

As a rule, shoals happen often and almost everywhere. Those who make no mistakes do nothing.

We cooked in our Nature Museum all Glaucopsyche from the Kharkiv region and some other places in Ukraine, as well as three Central Asian ones. The result-IMHO they are all G. alexis.

Stanislav: what is the strange thing written in the paper about the ratio of the width of the aedeagus and the width of the valva? How is it that aedeagus is wider than Valva? Lost in translation? Maybe it meant that the width of the aedeagus is greater/less than half the width of the valva? In other words, is valva larger/less than twice as wide as aedeagus?

And for Central Asian countries-is it possible to use label data? Extremely curious... There is a very clear border between alexis and aeruginosa, while (according to my data) - along the Altai; i.e., up to the Altai, the species are sympatric, to the south - only aeruginosa, and exclusively locally.

And for Central Asian countries-is it possible to use label data? Extremely curious... There is a very clear border between alexis and aeruginosa, while (according to my data) - along the Altai; i.e., up to the Altai, the species are sympatric, to the south - only aeruginosa, and exclusively locally.

Tomorrow (not available right now). But it's all north of the Alai, as far as I remember.

There were two of them; the third one is somewhat out of place (I looked at the label inattentively...), but just in case I bring it too. G. alexis males:

South Kazakhstan region, Tyulkubassky district, zap. Aksu-Jabagly, 18-v-1961, leg. Bucket

Uzbek SSR, Samarkand region, Aman-Kutan, 18-vi-1938, leg. Tsvetaev

Kazakhstan, Guryev region, Ural River floodplain, 29-v-1978, leg. Lisetsky

In addition, another specimen from the Ili River was found, which was not welded. It is also noticeably different in appearance. I think we'll cook it, too, if we can." If there is a result , I will let you know.

Thank you.

With Or, I think it will be laetifica.

I received such a winter gift today

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Forage plant in nature and during feeding?

Astragalus utriger

I received such a winter gift today

Is he out in the snow?