Sphingidae Hawkmoths

And what can hawkmoth butterflies deadhead need to try to catch on a honeycomb? Or set traps with them? After all, they find (clearly by smell) apiaries...

This is exactly how they drink - similar observations were published somewhere. Ticks from butterflies are very difficult to tear off...

You probably won't be able to catch dead heads that way. It seems to me that they find hives not by the smell of honey, but by the characteristic smell that the hive itself has. But I'm not saying that.

It would be very interesting to find such information. But the version that they simply react to the reflection of the sky seems to me the most plausible. If you put a mirror on the ground, then sometimes someone hits it too. I've never seen a hawk moth tick in my life.

something you guys confuse with the reflected light of the moon... after all, it is not the moon itself that is important, but its rays of a certain spectrum... for example. now there are completely different DRL lamps - yellowish light, they attract insects very poorly... previously, mercury DRL were with a white light (I made a reserve and catch only on them).

ticks were found on milkweed and bedstraw hawkmoth... Please see the notes...

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The moon has no source of rays - it shines reflected light from the Sun with a maximum in the GREEN region of the spectrum-this is the same as an incandescent lamp. And the DRL has a shift to the blue-violet edge of the spectrum. Close analogs in nature are hotter than the Sun stars with T up to 15 thousand degrees. and higher. It is this type that most bright stars belong to. Although the light of the moon is many times stronger, but on clear nights the stars clearly interfere with our networkers-it is well known.
With puddles-it is interesting that in spring and autumn in them, regardless of the weather (but especially in cloudy weather!) there are a lot more butterflies than in summer. Although in summer there are many times more butterflies both in terms of species composition and biomass. So, not only the glow of puddles is to blame here?

I don't know whether to address this topic, but I am very interested in whether it is possible to distinguish between a female and a male hawk moth while they are in cocoons? I think I read somewhere that there are some distinguishing features for this. Or am I wrong?

I don't know whether to address this topic, but I am very interested in whether it is possible to distinguish between a female and a male hawk moth while they are in cocoons? I think I read somewhere that there are some distinguishing features for this. Or am I wrong?

Thank you very much!! Unfortunately, both seem to be males(

Thank you very much!! Unfortunately, both seem to be males(

And what kind of hawkmoth? Maybe I can throw a female)

No, thank you) Hawkmoth is the most common: bedstraw and wine. Just for the whole summer I caught only 1 hawk moth, so I thought next year to try to lure a female.
And I wrote to you in the mail about Manduca sexta, I'm waiting for you to have adults)

We had a" mass swim " of caterpillars in Leningrad in the summer of 1982. In May 1983, I released dozens of butterflies to the park near the Youth Theater (Theater of Young Spectators) in the city center. In the next 2 years, gus. still came across, and later the situation "stabilized", i.e. the view disappeared again :-).
And I'm sorry for Yuri Adolfovich, I was just unlucky - I ended up in the hospital with a diagnosis, the treatment of which led to an exacerbation of asthma, with which ... .... they didn't make it. In general, everything is as usual ... unfortunately.

The cause of death of Yu. A. Derzhavets is clear....
Thanks for the information; probably about the same Sphinx ligustri? It seems to me that to release into the nature of grown hawkmoth to replenish the number (Did you release for this purpose?) doesn't make much sense. A has, perhaps, for particularly local species, if any. m. b. Hemaris are quite local. I am not an expert on the concept of locality in hawkmoth. If there are experts?
A few years ago, I bred hawkmoth and also thought about letting go, but only let go of fertilized females in large numbers. This idea did not come to fruition.

This year I have produced a lot of lilac hawkmoth in Korolev, including fertilized females. In Moscow, it is almost impossible to find it and, most likely, it is not here at the moment, although they say that it used to be common. Males have never visited pheromonous females in the Moscow region. Sometimes (but very rarely) they come across in the Tula region. Further south, more often. There are still quite a lot of them in the western regions, in Smolensk, for example.

Here, they released fertilized females.... In the Moscow region, there is probably no prospect of "breeding" a lilac hawk moth.

I enclose Hyles euphorbiae L. This female is an incomplete "f. clossi" form, complete with completely black forewings. Yes, this specimen has an almost orange median field of the hind wings. This is a scanned simple photo. I apologize for not being colored. The label apparently took off when photographing, all hawkmoth and other families I have with labels.
This specimen is from a series of about 50 milkweed caterpillars collected in 1990 in the south-east of the Serpukhov district. I did not find any differences in the caterpillars, all were practically euphorbiae. All or almost all nominative texts were displayed before and after.
Yes, and I will add that all the pupae of this series developed under the same conditions
(t , humidity, lighting), and the caterpillars - - - at home (!). I don't know what factor affected this individual.

About hawkmoth and water... About reflected moonlight - in my opinion, complete nonsense. But the fact that they drink water on the fly is very likely. I have repeatedly observed on my site how at dusk (there is still no moon) hawks (linden and poplar trees for sure) flew over the pond and periodically got wet in it. At the same time, after contact with water, they did not fly anywhere, but continued to take a "bath". It lasted for one individual for 10 minutes, then flew away. They probably drank water like that. A similar picture was observed on a hot day in Primorye, on a forest shadow road, hemaris flew over puddles and "took baths".

About hawkmoth and water... But the fact that they drink water on the fly is very likely. I have repeatedly observed on my site how at dusk (there is still no moon) hawks (linden and poplar trees for sure) flew over the pond and periodically got wet in it.

As I remember, the linden and poplar "nutrition organs" are reduced, they can not eat and drink water accordingly.

Lunar is not lunar, but a puddle glitters, in the spring Alsophila dug out of frozen puddles, warmed up and came to life.

OFF / Squabbles are certainly not interesting to read. However, I also did some garbage - I accidentally clicked the "spam" button on the above message and, unfortunately, I don't know how to remove the mark. My sincere apologies.

I often get myself into trouble, too. There is no big sin here, you will be understood. And these squabbles, drive them to the neck. I was their co-author, it's sickening to remember.

Hyles of zygophyllium

Mating of daphnis


This post was edited by Euchloron - 19.09.2012 21: 59

Laying eggs with manduka.

On October 1, in the city of Akhtubinsk, Astrakhan region, I found caterpillars of the bindweed hawk moth. On the bindweed that weaved the fence.
Caterpillars of the last age, I hope to get butterflies soon.
Interestingly, there were two forms, green and dark, which were more numerous.

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Did they feed during the day??? It seems that it is believed that the caterpillars of the loach hawk moth are buried in the soil for a day!? how did you manage to find them? What kind of bindweed was it? Do you have a photo?? This is the first time I've seen a green caterpillar shape in this species!? I wonder if they will have time to pupate and will be able to survive the winter at this latitude???

Did they feed during the day??? It seems that it is believed that the caterpillars of the loach hawk moth are buried in the soil for a day!? how did you manage to find them? What kind of bindweed was it? Do you have a photo?? This is the first time I've seen a green caterpillar shape in this species!? I wonder if they will have time to pupate and will be able to survive the winter at this latitude???

In general, the fact that the caterpillars of some hawk moth are buried during the day or sit on the ground "covered" is written in various books. I think this is not entirely true. They usually write about convolvuli, porcellus, proserpina. I found porcelluses and Proserpines in clear and even sunny weather, although porcelluses sometimes like to sit among the leaves of the bedstraw, and in late summer they are more often at the top. I assume the convolvuli behave the same way. I can't agree with the fact that caterpillars can bury themselves in the ground next to a forage plant, i.e. it is on the one on which they feed, the soil is usually very hard, and if it is soft, then they have not developed the instinct to bury themselves. I mean feeding caterpillars. And not long before pupation, I am sure, the caterpillars are spreading; you can look in the city under the lime trees, on which the caterpillars of linden hawks, there is such a hard soil; if the soil is artificially loosened, then...... The green form happens. One point, it is unlikely that feeding caterpillars can go far from the food plant. There are a lot of blunders in various popular books.
I apologize if I wrote something you know.

.. it's fine, but what will Sergey actually answer us? I wonder if these caterpillars will be buried in the soil and photos of pupae of this peculiar species are very desirable.

   In general, the fact that the caterpillars of some hawk moth are buried during the day or sit on the ground "covered" is written in various books. I think this is not entirely true. They usually write about convolvuli, porcellus, proserpina. I have found porcelluses and Proserpines in clear and even sunny weather, although porcelluses sometimes like to sit among the leaves of the bedstraw, and in late summer they are more often at the top. I assume the convolvuli behave the same way. I can't agree with the fact that caterpillars can bury themselves in the ground next to a forage plant, i.e. it is on the one on which they feed, the soil is usually very hard, and if it is soft, then they have not developed the instinct to bury themselves. I mean feeding caterpillars. And not long before pupation, I am sure, the caterpillars are spreading; you can look in the city under the lime trees, on which the caterpillars of linden hawks, there is such a hard soil; if the soil is artificially loosened, then...... The green form happens. One point, it is unlikely that feeding caterpillars can go far from the food plant. There are a lot of blunders in various popular books.
I apologize if I wrote something you know.

I didn't like your post. It looks like demagoguery.
You think, assume, and are confident, but you don't have the facts. The fact that you found caterpillars of "porcelluses and Proserpines in clear and even sunny weather" is not surprising. Question: Have you ever bred butterflies from such caterpillars? On the example of proserpine, I will say: all caterpillars found on the surface of the plant during the day are affected by tachins or riders.
Healthy caterpillars descend along the forage plant to its basal part or under the rosette leaves. I even found proserpine caterpillars feeding on a two-year-old oenothera that sprouted between the curb and the asphalt road. The caterpillar did not burrow into the asphalt , but sat under rosette leaves.
Believe old authors, or find refuting facts.

... it's fine, but what will Sergey actually answer us? I wonder if these caterpillars will be buried in the soil and photos of pupae of this peculiar species are very desirable.

Sorry for writing your opinion. I'll delete it if.........

I didn't like your post. It looks like demagoguery.
You think, assume, and are confident, but you don't have the facts. The fact that you found caterpillars of "porcelluses and Proserpines in clear and even sunny weather" is not surprising. Question: Have you ever bred butterflies from such caterpillars? On the example of proserpine, I will say: all caterpillars found on the surface of the plant during the day are affected by tachins or riders.
Healthy caterpillars descend along the forage plant to its basal part or under the rosette leaves. I even found proserpine caterpillars feeding on a two-year-old oenothera that sprouted between the curb and the asphalt road. The caterpillar did not burrow into the asphalt , but sat under rosette leaves.
Believe old authors, or find refuting facts.

I found only porcellus and proserpina during the day, as for bindweed, yes, I assume.
I did not know about the connection between the caterpillar infestation and their presence on a high part of the plant. Indeed,there were some people who were amazed. Again, I was not aware of this fact. Therefore, I simply believed that the caterpillars of this species are diurnal. But porcelluses were bred. Well, the hardness of the soil under the plant is not of great importance. Bred proserpine from early-aged caterpillars. Still, I started from the facts of simple observation of caterpillars in nature, sorry that observation and experiments were not enough. As a rule, I practice the hawk moth lifestyle at home. I repeat, I have never seen caterpillars hiding during the day. I also do most of my research in taxonomy, phylogenetics, and evolution. I'll pick up some caterpillars and go home. I wonder how the caterpillar recognizes asphalt, and then hides under rosette leaves?
Nevertheless, I know something about the life of caterpillars, because every year I grow and watch at home. But I trust the old authors less, I rely on my own, though not great observation. I take refutations calmly. Yes, I think, I guess, I'm sure. Without hypotheses, science is not science, trite; but you ignored me. My style is not demagogy in this case, but a narrative story from my observations, albeit such.
Thank you for refuting the facts.

Hello!

The caterpillars dozed during the day right on the bindweed stalks, so conspicuous, dark and huge. I myself am surprised that they are taking a lot of risks. On one square meter of chain-link fence there were 7 pieces! And I found them in two days, on the first day and in votroy. Both times in the afternoon, at lunch, the air temperature is +20. I also noticed when I was feeding them that they still eat well during the day, so I can't conclude that they are more active at night. One has already shrunk and is ready to pupate. The others have also stopped eating and are actively crawling.
I will post photos of pupae and butterflies, I think the butterflies will be in about three weeks.

... yes, I myself missed the point that AS a RULE, parasitic riders, tachin flies, etc.are responsible for the strange behavior of butterfly caterpillars. A clear (confirmed by observations in nature and additional feeding in laboratory conditions) example from my observations, kaya bear caterpillars. Everything that I collected in the summer in the form of caterpillars for this species, when they crawled anyhow, turned out to be infected with parasites!!!
Therefore men before you say something and make hasty conclusions YOU NEED to check it MANY times!
And the old authors wrote little - BUT, as a rule, very scrupulously and on a large analysis of the collected material (not to be confused with compilations and loudmouths of other eras)!

Sergey, what kind of bindweed was it? Do you have a photo?? The day may have been overcast and without the sun - at night there could already be frosts, etc., etc. everything must be taken into account! Yes, and that you will not put some of the pupae in the refrigerator? After all, there is a big debate on the loach hawk moth right now - where it can overwinter, when the first butterflies appear after wintering, and whether the butterflies themselves CAN fly south during a cold snap (for example, in the middle zone) ... (like birds... it certainly sounds funny, but some reputable scientists of lepidopterology think so!!)... it's time to mark our autumn butterflies... In general, there are more questions than answers-it is banal, but the fact is that in the Russian Federation and in Ukraine and in general in the CIS, very few people are engaged in the BIOLOGY and ecology of lepidoptera. By the way, I'm from the hawk moth family (here are miracles - from communication it turned out that many specialists in butterflies!!!) he began to engage in scientific activities and entomology in general!!

A large good female gallii was bred from a caterpillar, a photo of which (with Nerskaya), in my opinion, I posted on the forum: the caterpillar stretched along the top of the willow-tea, where the flowers had already been eaten, and hangs at the very top, like a spire on a Christmas tree. In the past, adults were quietly bred from elpenor caterpillars (including those collected at Ivan tea in Victory Park in Moscow). Euphorbiae caterpillars spend a lot of time, sometimes in the mass, sitting on milkweed, especially in the vicinity of the village. Luzhki in the Serpukhov district, but last year he bred a butterfly from a caterpillar taken on milkweed in the Setuni floodplain in Moscow. All the mentioned caterpillars were collected calmly in broad daylight on the tops, and the death rate from parasites was more than moderate. However, specifically elpenor caterpillars were mostly in the lowest tier of willow-tea thickets, in the shade. And the euphorbiae caterpillars literally sunbathed in the sun. It is possible that this (like the caterpillars of a number of species from other groups) is necessary - despite the risks of infection - to improve digestion, at least not for all individuals, but only for those who have experienced intestinal discomfort for some reason. (I'm not talking about those caterpillars that are driven to the heat by parasites.) There were other isolated cases of hawk moth caterpillars being found in a completely open daytime habitat, followed by successful breeding of adults.

   In general, the fact that the caterpillars of some hawk moth are buried during the day or sit on the ground "covered" is written in various books. I think this is not entirely true. They usually write about convolvuli, porcellus, proserpina.

A large, good female gallii was bred from a caterpillar, From elpenor caterpillars (including those collected at ivan-tea in Victory Park in Moscow) e uphorbiae caterpillars in large numbers, sometimes they sit in the mass on milkweed every year,

This post was edited by Djon-05.10.2012 17: 46

  

Me again. I guess I didn't understand you here. Do you compare the caterpillars of "my" species and those of A. J. Elez???

I put 2 photos. Live: female Mimas tiliae and female pupa Hyles gallii. All from Serpukhov, Moscow region.

  

I wrote a useless message to you above, so I deleted it (there was nothing significant in it), because at first I didn't understand what the 2 quotes mean: mine and A. J. Elez's. But I want to add something else from myself.
In my first message (04.10.2012. 17.56), I referred to what I read, and then to what I saw. Once again, I didn't make any special observations, I was based only on what I read (I have some popular science books; I haven't seen this topic in the scientific literature, although there are still a few old photocopies from VINITI-you have to be a polyglot there, in a variety of languages, I haven't translated everything yet) and what I saw.
1) Bred imago Proserpine from green caterpillars of early age, they sat on willow-tea (found only on it), on stems, leaves in the daytime.
2) Dark caterpillars of the last age Proserpinus proserpina I found 2, were amazed.
3) And more in my message (-------///-------, 20.24); quote form: "But I trust the old authors less...", I correct: I believe or do not believe any authors, according to their competence.
4) Found porcellus caterpillars in the daytime (at the end of August), on the surface of the bedstraw; in July, they were found in dense plexuses of bedstraw leaves (there were no affected ones at all).
5) Quote: "... I don't quite believe it "(i.e. about night food) - I can omit it, but there will be questions. However, I still believe in the fact of unconditional feeding of caterpillars at night, it is necessary to study caterpillars of early and late ages.
Still need to write, but later time.
P.S. I deleted this useless message because it is not quite appropriate, half off-topic, and doesn't deserve attention; sorry if anything.
Did I understand correctly about the two quotes: "Erix and Elez" ?

Me again. I guess I didn't understand you here. Do you compare the caterpillars of "my" species and those of A. J. Elez???

No, I am showing that we are talking about some species, and dear A. Y. Elez about completely different ones.

Hyles zygophylli



Daphnis nerii

Green worms (Daphnis nerii caterpillars)




This post was edited by Euchloron - 12.10.2012 19: 15

Nevertheless, I know something about the life of caterpillars, because every year I grow and watch at home.

I have bred many hundreds of caterpillars, many dozens of species from various families, and I have also observed many species in nature. From my experience, I can say that the behavior of the caterpillar in the breed and at home can vary. In addition, the behavior depends on the age of the caterpillar, the weather, and whether it is infected.
He found proserpines of early age during the day in sunny weather sitting under the leaves on the tops of plants and bred butterflies. But proserpines of the last age never sat openly-only at the very ground.

The caterpillars dozed during the day right on the bindweed stalks, so conspicuous, dark and huge. I myself am surprised that they are taking a lot of risks.

Probably cloudy weather. In this weather, I have repeatedly met caterpillars of this species during the day.

Green worms (Daphnis nerii caterpillars)

And what is it that they eat

This is an artificial feed made from wheat germ.

Are these two different feeds specially adapted for Hyles zygophylli and Daphnis nerii, or is it the same, universal one? What other species (or families of butterflies) can eat this? How to make it or where to buy it?

Are these two different feeds specially adapted for Hyles zygophylli and Daphnis nerii, or is it the same, universal one? What other species (or families of butterflies) can eat this? How to make it or where to buy it?

I do it myself. Usually the basis is wheat germ, casein, sugar, agar, water, you also need to add vitamin premixes, salts, beta-sitosterol, preservatives, and other additives. But the specific composition is adjusted for each type. Many species require the addition of extracts of forage plants. Some scoops, some whiteflies, several species of saturnia, and several species of hawkmoth grow well. In principle, it is possible to make such porridge for many species, but sometimes it is very difficult.

This post was edited by Euchloron - 13.10.2012 14: 19

Please check that the definition is correct. Thank you in advance.

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