Sphingidae Hawkmoths

Quick reference: the first photo shows Eumorpha labruscae (Linnaeus, 1758); the sixth photo shows Eumorpha vitis (Linnaeus, 1758). The third is correct.

Dear forumchane!

I repeat on the "Sphingidae" section my message that I just wrote in the "Far Eastern hawk moth" section (for simplicity, see there):

Please excuse me that I rarely go to the forums and most often to the forum on dipper. Other forums I read and visit very rarely. So just now I found out about the question about Dolbina, addressed to me. Thank you for it, this is an extremely interesting situation. The fact is that Dolbina tancrei was usually distinguished from Dolbina exacta by the presence (in tancrei) or absence (in exacta) of blackish spots on the underside of the abdomen. This feature was found in both Kuznetsov's article and Chistyakov's guide to hawkmoth in the Russian Far East.

In the Bolshekhekhtsirsky Nature Reserve near Khabarovsk, I have been collecting butterflies every year since 2005, and I check EACH captured male for genitals (you can see them without killing the specimen). The main feature that allows us to RELIABLY distinguish Dolbina tancrei and Dolbina exacta is the structure of the aedeagus apex: it has a powerful hook-shaped prong in D. tancrei and no prong at all in D. exacta. These differences are clearly visible even in living individuals. During all this time, both in the Bolshekhekhtsirsky reserve, and near Komsomolsk and Kiselevka (Ulchsky district) I haven't collected ANY instances of D. exacta.

When I was preparing my first article on hawkmoth in the south of the Far East, published in 1982, I reviewed all the Dolbina from the collection of our museum. So, D. exacta was found only from the most southern regions of Primorye - Khasansky, the vicinity of Vladivostok, Ussuriysk. When I was looking at the genitals of Dolbina males from the Bolshekhekhtsirsky Nature Reserve, I noticed that it is not uncommon to come across males of D. tancrei with black dots that either almost disappear or they do not exist at all. Last year, I even photographed the underside of the D. tancrei series, assembled in one day. Variability in spots is well known. I repeat - ALL of them were tested for the structure of the edeagus peak! Photos are attached.

To summarize: it is impossible to distinguish our two species of the genus Dolbina by the dark spots on the bottom of the abdomen. That is, if these spots are present - this is definitely D. tancrei, and if they are weak or not-then nothing can be said, even I. Kitching agreed with this in our correspondence and added that now we need to redefine all the old definitions for this group. Therefore, to determine the species of the genus Dolbina, please check the genitals! Especially in small specimens (Southern Marine D. exacta is on average smaller) and, if whitish lightening is well developed near the outer edge of the forewing.

I would be very grateful for information about the most northern finds of Dolbina exacta!

Good topic about good butterflies. I hope I still have things ahead of me because most of my hawkmoth are damaged. Are there any ways to catch them without damaging them? Maybe you can paralyze or only alcohol in the breast to enter?

Last instar caterpillars of Hemaris croatica!

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Proserpinus proserpina

Manduca sexta

Breeding mandukas on semolina porridge

Marumba gaschkevitschi
22 June 2012, 01: 23



Deilephila ascoldensis
20 June 2012, 00: 50



Callambulix tatarinovi
20 June 2012, 01: 05



Amur region, Blagoveshchensk

Two close points in Western Mongolia - only suellus flies in one, and porcellus in the other.

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Rather Houyhnhnm... Or Yahoo!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houyhnhnm
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D1%83%...%B3%D0%BD%D0%BC

Wine hawk moth Deilephila elpenor

Two close points in Western Mongolia - only suellus flies in one, and porcellus in the other.

I wonder if these points are somehow different. By vegetation, etc.?
There is generally evidence that if the usual porcella from the Moscow region is grown in heat and dryness, then suellus is derived. It is also interesting that butterflies from the Astrakhan region are more similar to suellus, and butterflies from Dagestan are pure porcelluses.

This post was edited by Euchloron - 11.07.2012 21: 40

Yes, these points are slightly different. The point where the porcellus flies is more mesophilic. Interestingly, in Mongolia, where I visited 10 times and caught at least 1000 specimens. brazhnikov I have never met a sympatry of these two forms. In general, the differences between the Mongolian specimens of these hawks are very significant, no transitional forms are visible. The suelluses are somewhat larger, and there are even differences in the shape of the front wing. It is difficult for me to judge the differences between these forms in other regions, since I do not have the material and am not too keen on hawkmoth, although there is a problem now in the course of preparing a publication on hawkmoth in Western Mongolia. It is a pity that so much information has not been published, including on the most interesting species, such as Hyles churkini etc. So I ran into the suellus-porcellus problem. But if in the heat and dryness to grow the Moscow region and get suellus-it's interesting, but I don't really believe it. It would be necessary to post these photos or what is better to publish in the form of an article, because it is very interesting. It is interesting that usually arid forms of animals are smaller than "normal" ones. But here the situation is somewhat different.

393-suellus place, H-1650
526-porcellus, H-1900

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Hello, everyone. I post hawk moth caught in Colombia in March of this year.

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a little brazhnikov Z. Mongolia

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I'll give you two hawkmoths. First: a hybrid of the type H. gallii & H. euphorbiae (or vice versa), a distant cross, e.g. (gallii & euphorbiae) & euphorbiae.
And also the hawk moth Hyles biguttata from Madagascar. Erix.

[font=Arial][b] 1)Whose pupa is this? (mb. sharpness is not important, but the differences are visible).
2) Holotype of Hyles churkini, different habitus?

Acherontia atropos in culture.

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Crf; Please tell me on which plant you grew the caterpillars. Erix.

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[b] [font=Courier] For Euchloron. A. atropos, strange, on privet, lilac or ash.
This is my first time reading this! For this hawk moth, most likely the first are solanaceae, and privet, lilac and ash, mainly consumes Sphinx ligustri.
2) That's right, porcellus. Porcellus, suellus, and askoldensis are systematically close, stand in a separate cluster, and form an independent branch. They were isolated from the genus Deilephila and belong to the genus Choerocampa sp. And in the genus Deilephila: elpenor and rivularis. Erix.

>>>>>>>>>2)That's right, porcellus. Porcellus, suellus, and askoldensis are systematically close, stand in a separate cluster, and form an independent branch. They were isolated from the genus Deilephila and belong to the genus Choerocampa sp. And in the genus Deilephila: elpenor and rivularis. Erix.

And who allocated it? Where to read?

[b][font=Arial] For Rhopalocera.com. If you are in doubt, here is my answer. I don't know about the article yet. I was informed by entomologist V. V. Zolotukhin (Ulyanovsk State Pedagogical University) that these species belong to the genus Choerocampa sp., i.e. they were isolated from the genus Deilephila sp. In 2008, the "Catalogue of Lepidoptera" was published. Russia", edited by S. Yu. Sinev. Zolotukhin supervised Sphingidae there. This change is reflected there. A key article about this revision must exist and must exist. Since raw, speculative opinions are not published in catalogs. As for me, I willingly accept this revision, I like it.Erix.

   [b][font=Arial] For Rhopalocera.com. If you are in doubt, here is my answer. I don't know about the article yet. I was informed by entomologist V. V. Zolotukhin (Ulyanovsk State Pedagogical University) that these species belong to the genus Choerocampa sp., i.e. they were isolated from the genus Deilephila sp. In 2008, the "Catalogue of Lepidoptera" was published. Russia", edited by S. Yu. Sinev. Zolotukhin supervised Sphingidae there. This change is reflected there. A key article about this revision must exist and must exist. Since raw, speculative opinions are not published in catalogs. As for me, I willingly accept this revision, I like it.Erix.

I can't doubt or not doubt. I am not an expert on this group. interested in the source. exact. if it is not present , then it is an OBS (one grandmother said). argumentation like "so in the catalog blue" - quite suits me. this is the source

I offer a few photos, but not mine, from electronic publications. Mostly from Pittaway.
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5) Rare photo: gus. elpenor 4th age, brown uniform.The last picture is mine, of poor quality. A digital dummy is very difficult, although there is an interesting article about shooting in high quality and a dummy. I don't have time right now, but I'll attach this article to the site.
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Of the hundreds of gus. elpenor found in nature, not a single one was green - all of them were brown.

For rhopalocera.com. Sorry for saying "doubt" twice, for not having time because of other things, I just forget the words I've already viewed. Yes, and a digital dummy, but you need a soap dish. Sorry again.
This source about Deilephila -- Choerocampa must be found.

For Aaata. About Deilephila elpenor. This is a brown caterpillar of the 4th instar, and in the last instar (5th, or L5) there are both brown and green ones; for the last instar, brown color dominates. Everyone knows that caterpillars of the 4th age are always green, but I found a brown one! Who had to find a brown gus. - still only 4 years old? Deilephila pupate at the 5th instar. Look at the horn, it is typical for L4.....

Everyone knows that caterpillars of the 4th age are always green, but I found a brown one! Who had to find a brown gus. - still only 4 years old? Deilephila pupate at the 5th instar. Look at the horn, it is typical for L4.....
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Since the pioneer age, I periodically withdraw . D. elpenor-always brown, solidary with Aaata.

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For Sergey 71 and Elizar. I have already written about the color scheme of elpenor caterpillars. Out of the hundreds of caterpillars found, there are at least 5-10 green ones of the latest age, i.e. in L5.
Elizar. You are acting extremely dishonest by posting a green elpenor uniform at the last age, and write that only brown ones. Erix.

As promised, I attach a file for high-quality shooting of insects with a digital "soap box".


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[b] [font=Courier] For Euchloron. A. atropos, strange, on privet, lilac or ash.
This is my first time reading this! For this hawk moth, most likely the first are solanaceae, and privet, lilac and ash, mainly consumes Sphinx ligustri.
2) That's right, porcellus. Porcellus, suellus, and askoldensis are systematically close, stand in a separate cluster, and form an independent branch. They were isolated from the genus Deilephila and belong to the genus Choerocampa sp. And in the genus Deilephila: elpenor and rivularis. Erix.

1) Death's head caterpillars are polyphages and can even eat raspberries. On solanaceae they are most often found, but olive trees are also quite suitable for them and in nature they are found on them. And in some parts of their range, their main food plants may not be solanaceous. I understand that you want to grow them and that's why you're asking. It is easiest to grow them on olive trees, as they are easy to find in sufficient quantities.
2) And if you know that this is porcellus, why did you ask?

And elpenor comes in three different shapes-green, yellow, and brown (or gray). At the first age, 100% of the caterpillars are green. Starting from the second age, caterpillars of any color can come across. In nature, the second to fourth instars are dominated by greens, most of which turn brown after molting at the last age. But if they are raised from eggs, then, depending on the conditions, brown gus can appear as early as the 2nd age, and their number at 3-4 age can exceed 50%. The rarest form of the caterpillar is yellow (I posted a photo in this topic). The number of yellow caterpillars is usually less than 1 percent at 2-4 instars and less than 0.1 at the fifth. For some reason, yellow caterpillars are more common when feeding them with a touchy one.

    For Sergey 71 and Elizar. I have already written about the color scheme of elpenor caterpillars. Out of the hundreds of caterpillars found, there are at least 5-10 green ones of the latest age, i.e. in L5.
Elizar. You are acting extremely dishonest by posting a green elpenor uniform at the last age, and write that only brown ones. Erix.

For Erix, Aaata wrote about only browns, and I commented on his post... If neither...I don't know much about sending Go to messages ...

What have I done wrong? Please explain........

For Euchloron. 1) Acherontia atropos I have never bred, and as for the nutrition of caterpillars on privet, lilac, ash, I did not know. I thought you were misinforming me. In the literature, I often came across solanaceae, but I know that you can feed them with raspberries, birch bark, and jasmine.
2)Thank you for the information about elpenor caterpillar shapes. I did not see any publications about the brown color of caterpillars in L4; and my colleagues did not know this. Probably those who are engaged in the management of crops know more. However, it is true, I found a brown caterpillar of the 4th age when conducting a culture, there were more than a hundred individuals. But I'm sorry, but I have the right not to believe about the large number of browns at an early age.

Colleagues, please do not turn the forum into a place of unnecessary clashes. Death's head caterpillars are broad-bodied oligophages, and they eat a lot of plants. For lachesis, which has the same food diet, more than 130 species of forage from the families Acanthaceae, Agavaceae, Annonaceae, Bignoniaceae, Boraginaceae, Buddlejaceae, Cannabaceae, Cannaceae, Caprifoliaceae, Compositae, Convolvulaceae, Cucurbitaceae, Euphorbiaceae, Flacourtaceae, Goodeniaceae, Labiatae, Leguminosae, Lythraceae, Meliaceae, Oleaceae, Pedaliaceae, Rubiaceae, Solanaceae, Sterculiaceae, Theaceae, Tiliaceae, Urticaceae, Verbenaceae, and Zingiberaceae. And when I write Linden Trees here, I don't mean our linden tree at all, but its tropical relatives. Accordingly, the death's head prefers nightshades, but it is easier to feed it on lilacs simply because lilacs are easier to get, especially in September.
And as for the green uniform, Elpenor has a brown one. What an argument. In some regions, one predominates, for example, in the Volga region I saw only brown, and in the Far East only green. Hundreds of them, all green. and on grapes. moreover, 99% are infected with tachins. This is interesting information that somewhere in the EC of the Russian Federation there is also a massive green form.
VVZ

Such is proserpine

   I apologize for re-attaching the holotype of H. churkini, I looked at the page, it was not there. Apparently it hasn't loaded yet.

I write in plain text:

why do you post other people's photos? they are already here. post your own, and we'll find other people's too.

dixi

For Euchloron. I asked about porcellus, but I knew it myself. I wanted to hypothetically check whether they know the differences, as if this species was placed in another genus.

   For rhopalocera.com. Holotype of Churkin's hawk moth, this photo is rare. Do you know what a holotype is? I don't have many photos, and I don't understand what I have sinned..... If no one has attached this or that hawk moth to the page (I'm talking at all), why don't I have the right to attach it??? And I think that you can and should attach thematically as well...I'm not against the usual attachment of my photos here. I will add that you can attach photos of any source to the topic and to determine it.

This topic contains at least two images of this holotype. Not too much?

Of course, I don't know what a holotype is. Why would I do that? It's enough that you're filling up the forum with duplicates.

No one insults you. How spam is marked as a duplicate. Sleep it off.