Arctiidae-dippers

For sdi:

Yes, I reared P. plantaginis in Yakutsk in 1985. The caterpillars were eager to eat the full bear pack: plantain, dandelion, herbaceous legumes and, if I remember correctly, willow as well.

For Penzyak:
many thanks for the information about feeding R. purpurata on cereals. I thought she usually lived on dicotyledons...

Has anyone ever fed a plantain bear (plantaginis)? What does she eat? Certainly not one plantain...

also fed on plantain and various leguminouss

Not the happiest find of Tancrea pardalina, although it may be the first in Western Kazakhstan. The butterfly was saved by the wind, after a very short photo shoot. Big Badger Sands, 1.06.11

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Such, here, a caterpillar. Not villica by any chance? Kumzhargan sands in the upper Emba river, 6.06.11

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Dear Pavel, Thank you so much for the photos. The discovery of Tancrea pardalina in Kazakhstan is not the first, but it is the first in the West. And the photo, as far as I know, is the first. The find is worthy of publication. An article with a photo, for example, can be taken by the Amur Zoological Journal. And the caterpillar needs to be viewed in my database. I'm in Zee right now, so I went online for a while. Then I'll take a look and answer.

vvdubatolov
- what is on cereals is absolutely accurate, I was still surprised by this fact myself. It was not possible to determine the species (if the species was rare, then our botanists would have accurately identified the species to me) - but from the most common and numerous exactly!

Syntomis caspia, on asparagus, among thickets of willows and suckers, at the bottom of a cell in the sands of Bolshye Badgers, West Kazakhstan, 3.06.11

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Acerbia alpina (Quensel, 1802)
Vostochny Sayan, Mondy, 20.06.2011, h=2400



This post was edited by Konung-02.07.2011 08: 20

Platarctia atropurpurea (O.Bang-Haas, 1927)
Vostochny Sayan, Mondy, 26.06.2011, into the light, h=1800

Dodia kononenkoi Tshistjakov et Lafontaine, 1984
Male, Eastern Sayan, Mondy, born on 24.06.2011, h=2400


Female, Eastern Sayan, Mondy, day on a rock, 20.06.2011, h=2200




This post was edited by Konung-02.07.2011 10: 08

In one of the last trips to the Penza region, I found a very good population of the hostess bear! The species is really very rare and local in our region!! Before that, there were only isolated finds of butterflies.
What really surprised me was the similarity of the wing pattern with local populations known in the neighboring Ulyanovsk region!!? For the collection and museums, I took a few pieces - the rest were simply transplanted to a nearby pine trunk, where they sat quietly until dawn...

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Found in the topic DEFINITION OF BUTTERFLIES 2 photos of Amurrhyparia leopardinula (Strand, 1919), made by Dina Rogatnykh. I hope Dina doesn't mind that I moved them to this topic . Photos taken in June 2010 in the district of Blagoveshchensk.
The butterfly may be quite common, but very few people catch it. Thanks to Dina for the photo.

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Bulgarian examples of Arctia flavia (Fuessly, 1779) ; I collect this alpine species on 07.08.2011 in Rila Mountain , near Musala Hut. at 2390 m.
First time when I went to collect it ( ..and Agrotis fatidica as well ) I almost burned the hut - sheet cover the lamp and wooden wall start smoldering.. was persona non grata many years there ( until the owner get changed )

This post was edited by Viktor Gashtarov - 26.08.2011 18: 13

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To Viktor Gashtarov:

The discovery of Arctia flavia in Bulgaria in the Rila Mountains is not at all surprising. It was first listed from these places: Zuellich, 1937; Zeit. Ost. Ent. Ver. Wien 22: 17 (Rilogebirges ... von 1900 bis 2100 m);
then for a number of places (e.g. Musala; "Haramijski kladenci" nad Cham-Curia, 2100 m; Rila square nad Dupnitsa, 1900-2100) in Bulgaria, it was indicated by Buresh and Tuleshkov, 1943; Izv. Tsarsk. Natural science. Inst. Sofia 16: 102-103;
finally, it was caught by Zoltan Varga in the Rila Mountains (Gvancsav, 25-30.VII 1978).
There were probably quite a few other finds. These are the ones I know.

This post was edited by vvdubatolov - 27.08.2011 17: 09

To vvdubantov :

Of coarse finding Arctia flavia in Bulgaria / Rila is not a surprise since 1933 , when on 8.VI.1933 one furry caterpillar was collected by H.M. Tsar ( our 'king') Ferdinand and his wife Carevna Evdokia , they sent the caterpillar to the Natural History Museum in Sofia . Later on , on 10.VII.1933 they got the very first Bulgarian example of Arctia flavia. Every one working with Lepidoptera in BG knows very well this story.

I personally know this since 1986 when I got the original of the book :
" Chorizontalnotesdistribution on peperudite (Lepidoptera ) in Bulgaria "
"Die Horizontale Verbreitung der Schmetterlinge ( Lepidoptera) in Bulgarien"
by Buresh and Tuleshkov

In my short report I do not pretend that I found NEW SPECIES for Bulgarian fauna . I share with audience here photos of Bulgarian examples of this moth , which is amazing - no doubt . Anyway , this Bulgarian population is unique as this is the most eastern in Europe , then you can find it in Ural (don't know if it was found in Turkey) . At least we speak about Arcia flavia , not about Arctia villica , right ?

P.S. I would like to be excused of vvdubantov , if my language is more or less sharp , is not his fault to knows well the geography of BG and Rila Mts. - I my self don't know it as I want . In fact the area of the mentioned species ( all in Rila Mts. ) is few square kilometers , which globally is a ... spot.

This post was edited by Viktor Gashtarov - 27.08.2011 22: 09

To Victor Gasharov:

Thank you so much for the explanation. However, you have incorrect information that the population in Bulgaria is the most eastern in Europe. I enclose a map from my catalog (Neue entomologische Nachrichten 65). You will be able to verify that there are a large number of finds in European Russia (or is it not Europe?). For various places in the Volga region, A. flavia was repeatedly indicated more than a hundred years ago by L. Krulikovsky (for example: Krulikovsky, 1889-1891; Zap. Ur. ob). natural history. 12 (2): 79; Krulikowsky, 1908; Dt. ent. Zeit., Iris 21: 244; Krulikovsky, 1909; Mat. znn. fl. faun. Ros. imp. Otd. zool. 9: 173; Krulikovsky, 1909; REO 9 (1-2): 75; Krulikovsky, 1909; REO 9(3): 264; Krulikovsky, 1916; REO 15 (4): 684). Another thing is that I do not know any reliable finds in Ukraine, in the collection of L. Shelyuzhko there is one male who was interviewed " Prov. Kijev, Teterjev, 1914, A. Hutschek leg. "I also know one female from the collection of L. Kaabak with the label" Karpaty, Krasnogorsk, 14. (1989, Tikhomirov). I do not yet know any evidence for these findings.

This post was edited by vvdubatolov - 28.08.2011 05: 58

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I thank you for the correction and the enclosed map , now I have more clear idea of distribution of this interesting species in the mainland of Russia . And again , I can say the presence of this species in Rila Mts. is unique . I questioned the assertion that :

The discovery of Arctia flavia in Bulgaria in the Rila Mountains is not at all surprising. It was first listed from these places: Zuellich, 1937; Zeit. Ost. Ent. Ver. Wien 22: 17 (Rilogebirges ... von 1900 bis 2100 m);
then for a number of places (e.g. Musala; "Haramijski kladenci" nad Cham-Curia, 2100 m; Rila square nad Dupnitsa, 1900-2100) in Bulgaria, it was indicated by Buresh and Tuleshkov, 1943; Izv. Tsarsk. Natural science. Inst. Sofia 16: 102-103;
finally, it was caught by Zoltan Varga in the Rila Mountains (Gvancsav, 25-30.VII 1978).
There were probably quite a few other finds. These are the ones I know.

Perhaps you have good distribution map of all the areal as well -both Europe and Asia , because as far as I can see on your map the distance from spot in Alps to Rila Mts. and from Rila Mts. to the the nearest spot in Russia is quite far away , right ? And if one day the presence of the species is confirmed in the Carpathians it will be unique and superinteresting

This post was edited by Viktor Gashtarov - 28.08.2011 07: 11

To Victor Gashtarov:

Thank you so much for your reply. Yes, the location of Arctia flavia in the Rila Mountains is far from all currently known habitats of the species. Although, I think, we can not exclude the discovery of Arctia flavia in the Carpathian Mountains in Romania. On my map, the point in the Alps shows only the specimen that is in our Siberian Zoological Museum. Of course, the range in the Alps is much wider.

Points in Ukraine seem wrong to me, perhaps they are related to incorrect labeling.

Dear forumchane!

I offer you exclusive photos of Borearctia menetriesii (Ev.) caterpillars. They were bred from eggs obtained from a female collected in the mountains north of the Charskaya basin by Oleg Korsun. Thank you to him so much!

Dear forumchane!

I offer you exclusive photos of Borearctia menetriesii (Ev.) caterpillars. They were bred from eggs obtained from a female collected in the mountains north of the Charskaya basin by Oleg Korsun in mid-July of this year. Thank you to him so much!

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Dear Vladimir Viktorovich, please help me with the definition of the bear. Primorsky Krai, Spassky district, 30.07.2011, on light. It is similar to Hyphantria cunea (Drury, 1773), but it does not seem to have reached Primorye yet. And Y. A. Chistyakov doubts (and hopes) such a definition.

This post was edited by mikee - 31.08.2011 23: 55

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For mikee:

Thank you so much for the photo. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to give an exact answer from this image: the abdomen is not visible and the proportions of the body and wings cannot be said. Moreover, the collected specimen is a female. Please straighten it out quickly and give me a picture of a straightened butterfly. Your specimen may be a female Spilosoma urticae (f. mandli)... This species is found all over the Southern Primorye region.

The American white butterfly has already reached the Southern Primorye region: there was once a flash in Nakhodka. The information was obtained from the late Viktor Kuznetsov. Also, the same outbreak was studied by G. I. Yurchenko from Khabarovsk (according to her). Unfortunately, no one has any copies left... However, this species is found in many places in Northern and even Northeastern China, up to Heilongjiang (and even in southern Mongolia). Therefore, its appearance in Primorye is only a matter of time. Sooner or later, it's bound to happen.

For mikee:

Thank you so much for the photo. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to give an exact answer from this image: the abdomen is not visible and the proportions of the body and wings cannot be said. Moreover, the collected specimen is a female. Please straighten it out quickly and give me a picture of a straightened butterfly. Your specimen may be a female Spilosoma urticae (f. mandli)... This species is found all over the Southern Primorye region.

The American white butterfly has already reached the Southern Primorye region: there was once a flash in Nakhodka. The information was obtained from the late Viktor Kuznetsov. Also, the same outbreak was studied by G. I. Yurchenko from Khabarovsk (according to her). Unfortunately, no one has any copies left... However, this species is found in many places in Northern and even Northeastern China, up to Heilongjiang (and even in southern Mongolia). Therefore, its appearance in Primorye is only a matter of time. Sooner or later, it's bound to happen.

Thanks! As soon as I have straightened it out, we will return to this question. For two July (2010 and 2011), such a butterfly was caught for the first time.
As for H. cunea, it will be an addition to the Colorado potato beetle that completed its march across Eurasia and reached Primorye

For mikee:

Unfortunately, you are wrong, the American white butterfly did not reach the Far East through the continent... In Japan, it appeared even earlier than in Western Europe, back in 1945 (as a result of the occupation). For about ten years it did not cross the sea, but in 1958 it appeared in Korea, and two decades later, in 1979, in China, in one of the north - eastern provinces, in Liaoning, after which it began to spread actively to the west, south and somewhat more slowly to the north. As far as I know, this species has not yet reached Northwestern China (Xinjiang), but during the 90s and early 2000s it spread across Central Asia, reaching Eastern Kazakhstan by 2003. So while the range of the species in Eurasia is not continuous.

I think your find is most likely to be Spilosoma urticae... For example, like most of the northern Iranian finds. And what exactly is this place in the Spassky district? God forbid, there will be H. cunea, then it will be necessary to raise the coastal quarantine workers to destroy the hearth.

For mikee:

Unfortunately, you are wrong, the American white butterfly did not reach the Far East through the continent... In Japan, it appeared even earlier than in Western Europe, back in 1945 (as a result of the occupation). For about ten years it did not cross the sea, but in 1958 it appeared in Korea, and two decades later, in 1979, in China, in one of the north - eastern provinces, in Liaoning, after which it began to spread actively to the west, south and somewhat more slowly to the north. As far as I know, this species has not yet reached Northwestern China (Xinjiang), but during the 90s and early 2000s it spread across Central Asia, reaching Eastern Kazakhstan by 2003. So while the range of the species in Eurasia is not continuous.

I think your find is most likely to be Spilosoma urticae... For example, like most of the northern Iranian finds. And what exactly is this place in the Spassky district? God forbid, there will be H. cunea, then it will be necessary to raise the coastal quarantine workers to destroy the hearth.

Well, I wasn't saying that it followed the path of the Colorado Potato beetle. And the point of capture is Novovladimirovka (25 km from Spassk-Dalny to the east along the highway to Arsenyev).

And what is known about the American white butterfly (maybe there is a more appropriate Russian name?) in the Volga region!??
In the Penza region, the species is known only from random deliveries with a batch of apples from the south of Russia. it seems from the Krasnodar Territory and Rostov...
Here is what is noteworthy, in Nizhny Novgorod, the quarantine station produced (I don't remember exactly-I think in the late 90s or early 2000s) a colorful colorful booklet with pests (both already appeared and planned), where according to the bear "American" it was written with "CONFIDENCE" that this species should spread to the Volga region everywhere in the most coming soon... I wonder why they thought that?

And what is known about the American white butterfly (maybe there is a more appropriate Russian name?) in the Volga region!??

We don't have it

As far as I know, the American white butterfly in the Volga region was recorded in the following places:
VLADIMIR REGION: Vladimir, Dobroselskaya str., nVIII 1998 (Mikhlin; see: Uskov, Sviridov, Antonova, 2001; Lepidopterofauna of the Vladimir region 2: 13)
REPUBLIC OF MARI EL: SPNP Mari Chodra, Yalchinsky forestry-1 copy. (Matveev et al., 1999: 24)
SAMARA REGION: about finding ... in the southern half of the region, employees of the Volga AGLOS reported (Sachkov, 1992; Samarskaya Luka 3: 140)
VOLGOGRAD REGION: Kalachevsky, Kletsky, Kotelnikovsky, Volzhsky <http://www.fsvps.ru/fsvps-docs/ru/usefulinf/files/qzoneslist3.pdf>
ASTRAKHAN REGION: Akhtubinsky, Volodarsky, Ikryaninsky, Kamyzyaksky, Krasnoyarsk, Limansky, Kharabalinsky, Chernoyarsky, Astrakhan <http://www.fsvps.ru/fsvps-docs/ru/usefulinf/files/qzoneslist3.pdf>

Tell me, please, which dipper is this caterpillar? It is about 30 mm long.
Arkhangelsk region, Mirny, 7.09.2011.

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For Alexanor:

I think this caterpillar is Phragmatobia fuliginosa. Will anyone have any other thoughts?

For Alexanor:

I think this caterpillar is Phragmatobia fuliginosa. Will anyone have any other thoughts?

I want to note that they popadpatsya on the asphalt quite often, a day for 1-2 copies. Crawling for the winter, am I right?
Do they hibernate in the caterpillar or pupal stage?

As far as I know, the American white butterfly in the Volga region was observed in the following places::

REPUBLIC OF MARI EL: SPNP Mari Chodra, Yalchinsky forestry-1 copy. (Matveev et al., 1999: 24)

Don't scare me like that

I want to note that they popadpatsya on the asphalt quite often, a day for 1-2 copies. Crawling for the winter, am I right?
Do they hibernate in the caterpillar or pupal stage?

Join us! This is definitely Phragmatobia fuliginosa, despite the fact that this species has very variable caterpillars. But this variability is not individual at all!

vvdubatolov

And what species of dipper can you look for in the fall and in what biotope??

I have long wanted to ask why, here we have very common and caterpillars and butterflies Phragmatobia fuliginosa L. Is it possible that "sridi of this species" we are viewing another close dipper species?? I came across a lot of butterflies of this species that are different in color (for example, somewhere in the collection there is a butterfly with a yellowish color of the lower wings). Yes, and some years are stretched in this species (two generations).

Please help our specialists. Tajikistan, St. Peter 1, vys 3000, 20.07 2011

This post was edited by vicgrr - 28.09.2011 10: 49

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For vicgrr:
Palearctia gratiosa Gr.-Gr., nominative subspecies.

For Penzyak:
What types of bears to look for in the fall? And in what stage (butterflies or caterpillars)? And in what region? And what month is considered autumn? Without these answers, it's hard to say anything.

In the middle zone in autumn (late September and even in October), Phragmatobia fuliginosa caterpillars often crawl. In the southern regions (China, southern Central Asia, and probably the Caucasus), many summer species fly in September. As of October, I have very little data of my own.

In September - the first half of October, Lacydes spectabilis flies in the south of Central Asia. From late September to early November, Ocnogyna loewii flies in southern Central Asia and Transcaucasia (and Dagestan).

In the far abroad countries, other exotic species also fly in the fall. But to write which ones, you need to know which region you are interested in.

Phragmatobia fuliginosa is a fairly variable species geographically and individually. Other species of the genus live in the south of the Far East (Phragmatobia amurensis), in Transcaucasia and Southern Crimea (+Turkey and the Balkans) - Phragmatobia placida. Two other species are found in North America, in addition to their subspecies Ph. fuliginosa.

This post was edited by vvdubatolov - 03.10.2011 13: 15

For vicgrr:
Palearctia gratiosa Gr.-Gr., nominative subspecies.

For Penzyak:
What types of bears to look for in the fall? And in what stage (butterflies or caterpillars)? And in what region? And what month is considered autumn? Without these answers, it's hard to say anything.

In the middle zone in autumn (late September and even in October), Phragmatobia fuliginosa caterpillars often crawl. In the southern regions (China, southern Central Asia, and probably the Caucasus), many summer species fly in September. As of October, I have very little data of my own.

As for the Caucasus - in the period from September 12 to 16 of this year, the following people flew near Gelendzhik:
- Euplagia quadripunctaria
- Phragmatobia fuliginosa
- Lithosia quadra

All - to the light.

This post was edited by mikee - 03.10.2011 17: 02

Help with the definition and these n-ta. Probably also P. gratiosa, but I don't know the subspecies.
1. Kirgizstan,Chatkai, mts,Chanach pass, 3200-3500,, 27.06.2008
2. Kyrgyzstan, Kirghiz ridge, Ak-Suy gorge 3200m, 23.07.09
3. Kirgistan. h-4000m, w. Kokobaal-TooSary-Beles mts, Kuldzhabashi, 21.07.98
Could slightly lie in the names, tk reprinted from handwritten labels.

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Autumn Turkestan view
Carcinopyga proserpina (Staudinger, 1887)
In the mountains of the Syrdarya Karatau (Southern Kazakhstan) it is found at a ridiculous height (400-800 m above sea level) in places with an abundance of black rocks and scree September 12-14, 2011

I'm not a particular fan of bears, but I'll post a couple of photos from wildlife in the appropriate topic. June-July of this year Verkhoyansk region. Grammia quenseli и Hyperborea czekanowskii.

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