Arctiidae-dippers

After looking at the photos from the site, there were questions about lichens (all in the Luhansk region).



Of these three, the lower one is lutarellum, and the others are pygmaeolum?
In any case, a photo where they are together, the wingspan is 25-30 mm.:


Together with the palliatellum (upper), there was also one like this (lower, 33 mm, embarrassing underside):


Who is she?

And that O. parasita is a rare species? Where is it best to look for it in nature in the spring - steppe areas? K. R. G. ??

In the Crimea, males fly in February-March. At the end of May, you can often meet adult caterpillars. The caterpillars feed on various plants, but prefer the Crimean kopeck. Biotope - dry rocky slopes of the southern exposure.

Are there any finds of Setina roscida other than the north?

In the Crimea, yayla is very common.
http://babochki-kryma.narod.ru/2_Arctiidae...ina_roscida.htm

After looking at the photos from the site, there were questions about lichens (all in the Luhansk region).
Of these three, the lower one is lutarellum, and the others are pygmaeolum?
Just in case there is a photo of them together, the wingspan is 25-30 mm:
Together with the palliatellum (upper), there was also one like this (lower, 33 mm, embarrassing underside): Who is she?

The lowest butterfly is E. pseudocomplanum

To Sergey-D:

Your two upper lichens are quite similar to Eilema (Setema) pygmaeolum; to be honest, I myself check the definition of genitalia in such cases... In the second picture, the upper one is E. (Setema) palliatellum, the lower one is E. (Setema) pseudocomplanum.

I will prepare an article with a proposal to recognize Katha (for deplana), Collita (for the griseola group), Wittia (for sororcula) and Setema (for the rest, except for caniolum) as independent genera. They're too different... But it will be difficult to change the traditions in such a group.

To Sergey-D:
But it will be difficult to change the traditions in such a group.

No one will accept evidence of fragmentation in such a group without a breakdown.

No one will accept evidence of fragmentation in such a group without a breakdown.

I don't think so. intelligence is never a substitute for a specialist's experience. I immediately remember the article with Pumpkin Pie .

in pursuit. all taxonomy of this species is subjective. consequently, no computer program for constructing cladograms, which by definition is objective, can estimate the real value of other features. V. v. dubatolov correctly wrote here - in addition to the actual order of divergences, evolution also has a speed, direction, and tempo. in addition, it is easy to confuse evolution and multimodation - software is unlikely to be able to distinguish this.

The message was edited rhopalocera.com - 26.12.2010 00: 50

in pursuit. all taxonomy of this species is subjective. consequently, there is no computer program for constructing cladograms that is by definition objective.

The program is exactly as objective as the programmer who wrote it is objective

Among my lurideol, one is questionable - is it palliatellum? Moscow region, 12.09.09

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For sdi:

Still, your specimen is a typical Setema lurideola: the costal edge of the forewings is noticeably curved radially. In Setema palliatella, it is almost straight at this point.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU!!!

The lichen website has been significantly updated. An older name than Setema was found - Manulea Wallengren, 1863, based on the type species Lithosia gilveola Ochs., 1810 =palliatella Scop., 1763.

Mangina argus Kollar, 1847
Laos.
It is widely distributed in South and Southeast Asia.

This post was edited by Morozzz - 12.02.2011 17: 28

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Help me determine (type; subspecies) Medvedits: Western Pamir Bartang Valley 2500 m. July 2010

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Help me determine (type; subspecies) Medvedits: Western Pamir Bartang Valley 2500 m. July 2010

Cool bears.
Phragmatobia fuliginosa paghmani Lenek, 1966;
Eudiaphora turensis (Erschoff, 1874)
Andala guttata (Erschoff, 1874)/Andala transversa (Moore, 1879) here, Vladimir Viktorovich, will probably help.
Alphaea melanostigma (Erschoff, 1872)

Cool bears.
Phragmatobia fuliginosa paghmani Lenek, 1966;
Eudiaphora turensis (Erschoff, 1874)
Andala guttata (Erschoff, 1874)/Andala transversa (Moore, 1879) here, Vladimir Viktorovich, will probably help.
Alphaea melanostigma (Erschoff, 1872)

What is Angala(guttata or transversa)? your opinion

What is Angala(guttata or transversa)? your opinion

Try to make your own.
http://www-sbras.nsc.ru/win/elbib/atlas/list.dhtml?Arctiidae
And then V. V. Dubatolov will come to the forum and tell us how it is.
Vrodeb then in this topic, he wrote that their family is already different.

What is this form of Parasemia plantaginis?
Dagestan n=2500m 30.06.2010

Dear forumchane!

Please excuse me for not visiting the forum for a long time.
Correcting the definitions:
Argina argus Kollar was transferred to a new genus by Hindus Mangina Kaleka et Kirti, 2001. The gender is good, independence is confirmed by both genitals and DNA. This genus also includes Mangina syringa from Ceylon and South India and M. pulchra from the Philippines. But the genus Argina is monotitic. Two species from Africa (leonina and amanda) I returned to the old genus Alytarchia.

The Pamir is home to the dark-winged Phragmatobia fuliginosa f. nawari Ebert. I have not found any reliable differences between the light-winged and desert-dwelling Ph. f. paghmani and the mountain dark-winged nawari. Perhaps these are different subspecies. But in any case, paghmani is a light-winged butterfly, according to the types.

But P. f. pulverulenta Alpheraky, which was often called the Central Asian paghmani, is a very pale butterfly with yellowish hind wings; it was described from Lake Lob-Nor (according to Przhevalsky's collection), its synonyms are pallida Rothschild and thibetica Strand.

Eudiaphora turensis-I confirm.

Pamir10.jpg -Nebrarctia transversa puella Stgr., this is what has long been called Andala transversa. Nebrarctia guttata lives in the mountains of the western Pamir-Alai: Zerafshan and Hissar. Light-winged butterflies. The genus Andala is monotypic (A. unifascia Walker), found in the Himalayas. Nebrarctia contains 5 species distributed from Eastern Turkey and Iran (N. semiramis) to the Pamir-Alai and Kashmir.

Pamir11.jpg - Spilarctia melanostigma Alph. The species belongs to the species group S. leopardina Koll. The genus Alphaea is quite different, it lives in the Himalayas and Sino-Tibetan mountains. A revision of it has been published.

All these changes in the nomenclature may not be on the map. http://www-sbras.nsc.ru/win/elbib/atlas/list.dhtml?Arctiidae I haven't edited there for a long time. I don't have time; I only got unlimited Internet a year ago, and I've had a difficult year all year. But all the correct names are in my catalog in Neue entomologische Nachrichten, Bd. 65 (2010).

Parasemia plantaginis from Dagestan - P. p. caucasica Men. They have a variation in the color of the hind wings from clearly red to yellow.

This post was edited by vvdubatolov - 12.02.2011 16: 12

On the definition of Synthomis phegea / nigricornis by the size of the outer and inner spots on the hindwings-applies to both sexes?
sorry for the picture, the flash didn't work...

On the definition of Synthomis phegea / nigricornis by the size of the outer and inner spots on the hindwings-applies to both sexes?

How can you be sure that there aren't two different views in the photo? Syntomys, they are not too picky, sometimes even with mottled birds (Zygaenidae) they mate.

- yes, I once saw this in nature - I still regret that I did not take them (the individuals were worn)...

So there was a question about the bears that I put up in the photo collections. Dear Cajarc suggested checking E. quadripunctaria, which is Turkish and larger, for compatibility with splendidior. I first attributed it to the Turkish subspecies fulgida based on V. Dubatolova, because I did not see a green ebb, but after the doubts expressed by Grigory, I looked even more closely, the green shine is still weak. Please help me decide.
Caught in the mountains (1000m) north of Antalya.
For comparison our usual

Both Euplagia specimens belong to E. quadripunctaria. Indeed, the Turkish specimen is practically indistinguishable from E. q. fulgida, described from Turkish Syria (Akbes, now-prov. Hatay). A different subspecies, E. q. rhodosensis (Daniel, 1953) (=ingridae Roesler, 1969), is found in Western Turkey. E. splendidior has a very clear green tint.

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How can you be sure that there aren't two different views in the photo? Syntomys, they are not too picky, sometimes even with mottled birds (Zygaenidae) they mate.

I asked because the given sign in female fegei somehow does not work, even judging by the photo from the sources where it is given:

Although in my photo, the female has narrow wings, so there are probably still 2 species.

As for me, all fegei. Nigricornis is slightly smaller and slimmer ( see the photo of the collection there are upper nigricornis, lower fegea)

1-Spain, Cadiz, Puerto Serrano, 24.04.2008-possible Coscinia cribaria
2-Krasnodar Krai, Adler, early August-Pelosia muscerda?
3-Vologda region, Kaduysky district, Pakino village, 24.07.2009-Eilema depressum

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Bears from Dagestan.

The first and second are Callimorpha dominula only with yellow wings, but the third (female) is similar to Arctia villica, only all Arctia villica caught before it has a red belly...
Who has an opinion?

Bears from Dagestan.

The first and second are Callimorpha dominula only with yellow wings, but the third (female) is similar to Arctia villica, only all Arctia villica caught before it has a red belly...
Who has an opinion?

Arctia villica confluens (Romanoff, 1884) lives in Dagestan and has a really reddish belly. I've never seen such yellows before.

http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=233833&st=100? - POST 148

Both Euplagia specimens belong to E. quadripunctaria. Indeed, the Turkish specimen is practically indistinguishable from E. q. fulgida, described from Turkish Syria (Akbes, now-prov. Hatay). A different subspecies, E. q. rhodosensis (Daniel, 1953) (=ingridae Roesler, 1969), is found in Western Turkey. E. splendidior has a very clear green tint.

And where is E. is splendidior common in Russia? I have two E. quadripunctaria from Dagestan. Maybe there is a life there. splendidior? If so, I'll remove it for you to determine.

Arctia villica confluens (Romanoff, 1884) lives in Dagestan and has a really reddish belly. I've never seen such yellows before.

So I did not see such people, I caught together with her about 3 dozen with a red belly... And this one. I would like to hear Vladimir Dubatolov's opinion on this issue.

I have 2 questions for specialists. I hope Vladimir Viktorovich will help)
1. I don't know where I got it from, but I always thought I was growing Grammia obliterata. The other day I bought a book on the bears by V. Murzin in 2003 (special thanks to Pavel Entoterra). It Contains Grammia turbans. I thought it was a synonym. It turned out the opposite. What name is still valid now? What subspecies do I have? Grown from caterpillars collected in the vicinity of the city of Ulan-Ude, Buryatia
2. Caught 20.06.2010 in Ulan-Ude bear. I determined it myself, so the question arose. Is this Dodia diaphana?

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isn't this a quenseli liturata?

Here: http://www-sbras.nsc.ru/win/elbib/atlas/Arctiidae/249.html
These butterflies are listed as Grammia obliterata turbans (Christoph, 1892)

this is not quenseli. We have it in the north of the republic. In Ulan-Ude vrod as there is no. Yes, and purely outwardly different.

so obliterata is a subspecies of turbans.

This post was edited by Karat - 03/15/2011 06: 37

Dear forumchane!

Please excuse that now I don't visit the forum very often.

As for the female bears from Dagestan: the top two - Callimorpha dominula caucasica Kolenati-are practically a semi-species, which has quite good differences from normal C. dominula in uncus. Sometimes in the western Caucasus there are individuals with bright pink hind wings. In the Talysh and Northern Iran, a similar subspecies with bright red wings and spots on the forewings fused in a sling is found - C. d. philippsi (=persica), belonging to the same semi-species. But Epicalia villica L. In Dagestan, it is represented by a nominative subspecies. I have met female bears that sometimes change the red color of their bellies to yellow while preserving all other characteristics of the species or subspecies-this happens. In Transcaucasia, there are two subspecies of E. villica-E. v. confluens Romanoff with confluent spots in the outer part of the wing (very different from the specimen from Dagestan) inhabits the Talysh and Northern Iran. E. v. marchandi de Freina was described from South-eastern Turkey; in the north, this subspecies reaches Armenia. It has light spots on the wings that are excessively dilated. It also doesn't look like an instance from Dagestan. Please excuse me, but my colleague barko is wrong...

Euplagia splendidior is not known to me from Russia; I don't think it can be found here... In Transcaucasia, it is found only in the Armenian Highlands, including Nakhichevan. To the south, there are areas in eastern Turkey, western Iran, and the mountains of northern Iraq.

Please remember how long ago Murzin's book on bears was written? Use modern literature! Moreover, Vladimir Sergeyevich did not consult with me when writing this book after 1994 (at that time I was his guest, then contacts were resumed only in 2002, after the book was published). But Vladimir Sergeyevich used my system of bears. Of course, he knew medvidits well, but he couldn't keep up with the new literature. This should be taken into account when using the book. In those years, indeed, the species was called Grammia turbans, and it was indicated not only for Siberia-Mongolia in the Palearctic, but also for Canada. However, the Grammia genus is overwhelmingly North American, and there was a lot of unrevised type material left in North America. In 1991, Ferguson published an article in which he wrote that he found a type of little - known butterfly-Arctia obliterata Stretch, which was described from North America WITHOUT specifying the location. When studying this type, it was found that it is identical to Grammia turbans Chr. Therefore, Ferguson synonymized the two species. Ferguson didn't send me this article, so I only found out about its existence in December 2001 from Zoological Record (during a trip to ZIN). After that, I always use the name Grammia obliterata turbans Chr. to indicate Siberian butterflies.

From Ulan-Ude, really, Dodia diaphana Ev. It is she, and not G. quenseli liturata Men. shown in the photo. Please give us labels of other Buryat female birds with photos-Acerbia alpina, Platarctia ornata (=atropurpurea), Diacrisia sannio. And where is Rhyparioides amurensis collected? the wing of which also protrudes?

About the bears from Dagestan: ... But Epicalia villica L. In Dagestan, it is represented by a nominative subspecies. I have met female bears that sometimes change the red color of their bellies to yellow while preserving all other characteristics of the species or subspecies-this happens. In Transcaucasia, there are two subspecies of E. villica-E. v. confluens Romanoff with confluent spots in the outer part of the wing (very different from the specimen from Dagestan) inhabits the Talysh and Northern Iran. E. v. marchandi de Freina was described from South-eastern Turkey; in the north, this subspecies reaches Armenia. It has light spots on the wings that are excessively dilated. It also doesn't look like an instance from Dagestan. Please excuse me, but my colleague barko is wrong...

If a nominative subspecies lives in Dagestan, then does the Dagestani A. villica have no differences in the structure of the genitals compared to the European one? Is it so? Have you compared genitals?

... Epicalia villica L. In Dagestan, it is represented by a nominative subspecies. I have met female bears that sometimes change the red color of their bellies to yellow while preserving all other characteristics of the species or subspecies-this happens. In Transcaucasia, there are two subspecies of E. villica-E. v. confluens Romanoff with confluent spots in the outer part of the wing (very different from the specimen from Dagestan) inhabits the Talysh and Northern Iran. E. v. marchandi de Freina was described from South-eastern Turkey; in the north, this subspecies reaches Armenia. It has light spots on the wings that are excessively dilated. It also doesn't look like an instance from Dagestan.

Please excuse me, but my colleague barko is wrong...

...

At one time, I compared the A. villica I collected in Dagestan with the Hungarian one. Regardless of the names of subspecies, I came to the conclusion that the Dagestan butterfly is noticeably (enough for subspecific differentiation) different from the Hungarian one. See for yourself - the shape of the valvae, especially the tops. Outgrowths have different lengths and to some extent shapes, some are narrower, noticeably pointed to the top, others are less elongated, wider without sharp sharpness, with a more blunt tip. Uncus of different lengths. anellus-lobes are noticeably different, juxts are similar, but with some differences (possibly individual for these specimens). The scales are similar, the nature of the deverticles is similar with some differences. The abdominal segments are similar, but the degree of sclerotization is noticeably different (probably an individual feature of these specimens). In principle, with such a set of differences, they can already be considered quite different. In addition to these differences, there is a very important characteristic - this is the size. The genitals differ in size. The Dagestani butterfly is smaller in size than the European one in terms of its genitals. So not everything is so clear. I would not say that A. villica is represented in Dagestan as a nominative.

It would be nice to check the females, but I don't have any Dagestani ones.

I'm not sure that it's easy to get an objective picture from all the images, but comparing the preparations of the genitals directly under the microscope, the listed differences seem to me convincing enough to consider the presented butterflies different at the level of subspecies.

Dipper labels:
Acerbia alpina Buryatia, Okinsky district, Valley of Volcanoes, Khodorus River, 2400m, female
Platarctia ornata (=atropurpurea) Mongolia, Ulaanbaatar region, Bayan Bumbat camp, 10.06.2005, male
Diacrisia sannio Ulan-Ude, 12.07.08 (male), 29.06.2008 (male), 25.06.2002 (female). In the vicinity of the city from the end of June, the usual view.
Rhyparioides amurensis Khabarovsk Krai, Komsomolsky district, Gaiter settlement, v/h 20117, 10.06.2010. By the way, is this an aberrant or does it happen often? There are no spots at all.
All leg butterflies. Anatoly and Evgeny Filippov.

Is Rhyparioides amurensis an aberrant species by the way, or is it common? There are no spots at all.

In our country, Rhyparia purpurata butterflies often have this color in arid stations; in more humid and cold habitats, they are usually colored with spots.