Arctiidae-dippers

Colleagues, all kind, almost all the request.

Karachay-Cherkessia, Teberda, h=1600m. July 2011, leg. I

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Colleagues, all kind, almost all the request.
We are now trying with Vvdubatolov to outline the boundaries of the distribution of lichen Lithosia quadra, a species that seems to be well-known and easily diagnosed. We really need information on its occurrence in the European part of the Russian Federation and in Siberia. There are a lot of points, but to be honest, they are not very interesting in the center of the EC, but the northern and southern borders "float", in the east something is very faintly outlined in Bashkiria and Orenburg, but everything is very indistinct. A white or almost white spot for regions - Leningrad, Novgorod, Tver, Yaroslavl, Vologda, Ivanovo, Kostroma, Vladimir, Penza, Tambov. We would be grateful for any information, including, if known, from local lore sources of the 19th-early 20th century. You can go here, you can - in the personal account.
Thank you very much in advance. V. Zolotukhin

I collected two females in Dagestan, Rutul, June 1992

Colleagues, all kind, almost all the request.
We are now trying with Vvdubatolov to outline the boundaries of the distribution of lichen Lithosia quadra, a species that seems to be well-known and easily diagnosed. We really need information on its occurrence in the European part of the Russian Federation and in Siberia. There are a lot of points, but to be honest, they are not very interesting in the center of the EC, but the northern and southern borders "float", in the east something is very faintly outlined in Bashkiria and Orenburg, but everything is very indistinct. A white or almost white spot for regions - Leningrad, Novgorod, Tver, Yaroslavl, Vologda, Ivanovo, Kostroma, Vladimir, Penza, Tambov. We would be grateful for any information, including, if known, from local lore sources of the 19th-early 20th century. You can go here, you can - in the personal account.
Thank you very much in advance. V. Zolotukhin

Here is what I know from the eighth and partly ninth regions. I'm ready to clarify points of interest.


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Taking this opportunity , I think you promised to supply me with "insects of the Ulyanovsk region" about a year ago. Well, this...

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Dear formchane!

Thank you all so much for your points on Lithosia quadra! If there are any more points , I will be VERY grateful! Vadim Zolotukhin has the following "holes" in the European part of the species ' range: Pskov, Novgorod, Smolensk regions, Valdai Upland, Bryansk, Orel, Kursk, Voronezh, Lipetsk, Tambov regions. Surprisingly, there are absolutely no points in the oval between the Oka, Volga and upper Don rivers! There is little data available for the Rostov Region, southern Tula and Ryazan regions, and all territories east of the Volga. There are no points in the southern half of Belarus, in Ukraine-between the Dnieper and Dniester rivers. For Ukraine, there are also the Poltava, Kharkiv, and Dnipropetrovsk regions, the Donbas, and the entire south of Ukraine (hence there are only data for Bessarabia, Kherson, and southern Crimea). No data available for western Georgia and Abkhazia. We will be especially grateful for data from these territories!

For TEMPUS: Your specimen is very similar to Spilosoma urticae, but unfortunately I don't see the structure of its antennae. If you are photographing a mustache, please do it from the front, not from the top. It's easier to see that way.

Dear formchane!

.....In Ukraine , it is located between the Dnieper and Dniester rivers. For Ukraine, there are also the Poltava, Kharkiv, and Dnipropetrovsk regions, the Donbas, and the entire south of Ukraine (hence there are only data for Bessarabia, Kherson, and southern Crimea). .....

Ukraine, Transcarpathian region, Khust district, Shayan village, from 24.08 to 29.08.2011 caught Lithosia quadra there and was quite a mass species. Photos of the male and female can be provided tomorrow (if necessary).

there are only data for Bessarabia, Kherson, and southern Crimea

In the Crimea - a common, sometimes massive species in the mountain and forest part.
In the steppe zone-collected in the village of Primorsky, this is the west of the Kerch Peninsula. It is probably also present in other locations, in various green spaces.

there is a female - Krasnodar Territory, Tuapse district, Lermontovo. 12.08.2001. to the light.

I also remembered a long-standing episode - in 1988, on the Sukhumi-Moscow train, a huge number of Lithosia quadra (and only females) and Phragmatobia sp.

Thank you all so much for your points on Lithosia quadra! ... In Ukraine, also - Poltava, Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk regions,

Kharkiv region, September 13, 2008, female.

were you going to establish a Russian population?

Don't -- shabashit, podi =)

...No data available for western Georgia and Abkhazia. We will be especially grateful for data from these territories!

I found Lithosia quadra-Abkhazia, New Athos, 5-10. 08. 2010, born, 1 male.Leg. Falina T. A.

For Morozzz: so what point should I put on the Sukhumi-Moscow highway???? By the way, Phragmatobia in the western Caucasus is the same Ph. fulignosa. The funny thing is that no one has yet identified these butterflies in a new subspecies. But to do this, they need to be compared with the Syrian-South Turkish subspecies taurica. And who has seen this Turkish-Syrian subspecies?

For Morozzz: so what point should I put on the Sukhumi-Moscow highway???? By the way, Phragmatobia in the western Caucasus is the same Ph. fulignosa. The funny thing is that no one has yet identified these butterflies in a new subspecies. But to do this, they need to be compared with the Syrian-South Turkish subspecies taurica. And who has seen this Turkish-Syrian subspecies?

It was August. We were traveling from Gagra. The train was Sukhumi-Moscow. Hence, somewhere between Gagra and Sukhumi. But I gave this example as a childhood memory. After that incident, I never met quadra en masse.

It was August. We were traveling from Gagra. The train was Sukhumi-Moscow. Hence, somewhere between Gagra and Sukhumi. But I gave this example as a childhood memory. After that incident, I never met quadra en masse.

What, and on the DV did not see a mass summer? In July 2010, sdi and I were just suffocating from them in Anisimovka...

  
In Ukraine as well ... Donbass,

In the Luhansk region caught in the cities of Severodonetsk, Vakhrushevo

Sergey-D: many thanks, Luhansk points have covered the space between the Dnieper and the Don! But in Ukraine, there are still absolutely no points west of the Dnieper to the Dniester-Carpathian region (from there there are). Can anyone help?

This post was edited by vvdubatolov - 02.02.2012 12: 37

What, and on the DV did not see a mass summer? In July 2010, sdi and I were just suffocating from them in Anisimovka...

No, well, there were a couple of dozen on the screen, but not like that time on the train.

No, well, there were a couple of dozen on the screen, but not like that time on the train.

Mishka can't forget one of the nights in Anisimovka, when 20 centimeters of various lichens, including quadras, were swarming on the sheet at the bottom of the screen.

In the Zaporizhia region, the species is found throughout the entire territory, but more often along the Dnieper River in floating and bayrachny forests.

Please give specific collection points away from the Dnieper Valley!

You are welcome. Novonikolaevsky district, Ternovatoe village area, Rozovsky district, Kamennye Mogili Nature Reserve, Primorsky District, Azov village area (this point is from memory). Yegorus will review his own and add more.

To help Shustov in the south of Zaporozhye region. (via quadra)
- Melitopol.
- Troitskoye village of Melitopol district
- Leninskoye village of Akimovsky district
-s.Prylukovka of Melitopol district
(Krasnolesye village, Crimea)

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Dear formchane!

Thank you all so much for your points on Lithosia quadra! If there are any more points , I will be VERY grateful! Vadim Zolotukhin has the following "holes" in the European part of the species ' range: Pskov, Novgorod, Smolensk regions, Valdai Upland, Bryansk, Orel, Kursk, Voronezh, Lipetsk, Tambov regions. Surprisingly, there are no points at all in the oval between the Oka, Volga and upper Don rivers!.....). There are no data for the west of Georgia, Abkhazia.
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Smolenskaya and Oryol streets are just white spots. For Tula, Ryazan, Lipetsk, Kaluga (new data after Sirotkin and Shmytova) and, possibly, Voronezh and Kursk literature is available - in the libraries of ZIN, ZM of Moscow State University-I need to search for a long time in stacks. What I wrote: Sviridov and Bolshakov, 1997; Bolshakov, 2000, 2005, etc. - everyone should be at Vadim's!
I'll tell you about the specified" oval " right away from Tula: so far it has been found only in the forest zone, in the forest-steppe (i.e. in the south-eastern sector) it has not been found. Of the unpublished points, there is a south-west - on the big map it will be the right bank of the Oka River near the border with the Orel region, Belevsky district.
I don't know about Abkhazia and further south, but I repeatedly noted the location in Khost in the 80s-maybe the point will come in handy.

In Krasnaya Polyana (more precisely, at an altitude of about 700 m at the Krasnaya Polyana camp site of the Ministry of Defense) from the late 1990s to the early 2000s, the quadra flew well into the light...

In the same years, T. Macroglossum was caught at the light spot in the Kolomenskoye district of the Moscow Region (Zakharkino village), but not in large numbers.

Plus in the fishing reports from September 23, 2011 – my photo (from September 22, 2011) of a freshly crushed specimen (second generation!) from the corner of Ukrainian Boulevard and Kutuzovsky Prospekt in Moscow (at the GOST building. "Ukraine").

Spring 2011. Arctia caja stage 1 in winter under aspen bark, Phragmatobia fuliginosa released in March.

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Dear forumchane! Thank you so much for the points! The south-east of Ukraine between the Dnieper and the Sea of Azov is well filled. So far, the best conglomerates of collection points are the Baltic States and the north of Belarus, the Carpathian region, the entire space between the Dnieper and the Don River north to the Moscow region and its environs, the Volga Valley, and the Caucasus. In the" oval " between the Oka, Volga and Don, so far only one point has been hit - the Novoburasky district of the Saratov region, and then very close to the Volga. In the south-west of the Tula region, the point fell west of the upper reaches of the Don, in a conglomerate of points. The" oval " between the rivers, alas, is still empty... There must be an L. quadra! By the way, for some reason, in the catalog for the Voronezh Region, which Negrobov prepared, the species is completely absent...

  

For TEMPUS: Your specimen is very similar to Spilosoma urticae, but unfortunately I don't see the structure of its antennae. If you are photographing a mustache, please do it from the front, not from the top. It's easier to see that way.

I took photos from the front:
Ivanovo region, Shuisky district, Krasnoarmeyskoye village, garden plot No. 34, on light
1) 19.06.2011

2)06.07.2011

Dear forumchane! Thank you so much for the points! The south-east of Ukraine between the Dnieper and the Sea of Azov is well filled. So far, the best conglomerates of collection points are the Baltic States and the north of Belarus, the Carpathian region, the entire space between the Dnieper and the Don River north to the Moscow region and its environs, the Volga Valley, and the Caucasus. In the" oval " between the Oka, Volga and Don, so far only one point has been hit - the Novoburasky district of the Saratov region, and then very close to the Volga. In the south-west of the Tula region, the point fell west of the upper reaches of the Don, in a conglomerate of points. The" oval " between the rivers, alas, is still empty... There must be an L. quadra! By the way, for some reason, in the catalog for the Voronezh Region, which Negrobov prepared, the species is completely absent...

If I knew that such data would be needed, I would pay attention to this type. Something seems to me (but I won't swear on the Bible!), something like this arrived this summer either in the Staroshaigovsky district of Mordovia, or in the Rtishchevsky district of Saratov... This year I will try to keep my eyes open.

vvdubatolov @ 04.02.2012 19:36)
... In the" oval " between the Oka, Volga and Don, so far only one point has been hit - the Novoburasky district of the Saratov region, and then very close to the Volga. In the south-west of the Tula region, the point fell west of the upper reaches of the Don, in a conglomerate of points. The" oval " between the rivers, alas, is still empty... There must be an L. quadra! By the way, for some reason in the catalog for the Voronezh Region, which Negrobov prepared, the species is completely absent...
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Yes, so I picked up what I could find for interest.
I'll say right away - I didn't find Kurskaya - try asking Sviridov (ZMMSU) - only he may still have copies of articles by the author Tatarenko D. E. from local publications. I can't make out my stacks yet.
So, the Vladimir region is the only point - the national park of Meshchera, the village. Erlex (Uskov, 2006).
Nizhny Novgorod - only Kstovo (Chetverikov, 1993).
The Ryazan region contains only the Oka Nature Reserve (Sviridov et al., 1998; Blinushov et al., 2005).
Lipetsk region and Mordovia-alas, empty. Tambov - apparently a white spot in general on raznousym (there are M. B. publications of the author Ganzh et al., but their collections are not available in ZIN and ZMMSU and it seems that they do not differ much anywhere).
Penza-1 point - Akhuny (eastern suburb of Penza) (Polumordvinov et al., 2002).
Chuvashia-the type is definitely there, but specifically you need to look for the work of Lastukhin, including et al. I have them lying far away. Only Lastukhin, 2007 (rare species) is close, but this one didn't get there. Look for Lastukhin et al., 1998.
And perhaps the northernmost point in the east - Udmurtia-Sharkan (district center north of Votkinsk) (Bolshakov and Okulov, 2007) - previously Krulikovsky had only the southernmost point along the Kama River - Sarapulsky-Malmyzhsky uyezds.
It turns out that in the forest-steppe, if it is, it is very rare, probably only in large old forests that miraculously survived the wars.
I would like everything to be published with links - in my impressions that Vadim has all this should be quoted.

vvdubatolov @ 04.02.2012 19:36)
...Tambov - apparently a white spot in general on raznousym (there are M. B. publications of the author Ganzh et al., but their collections are not available in ZIN and ZMMSU and it seems that they do not differ much anywhere).

all that is written there-if it has reached somewhere-complete bullshit-a hand to cut off-Roman Ishin (c)

"...It turns out that in the forest-steppe, if it is, it is very rare, probably only in large old forests that miraculously survived the wars."

I drove through the Tambov forests 30 km south of Tambov and up to the Ryazan region and caught it - it's not there. I collect, for a long time, all lichens, this kind of impossible to miss. it turns out that there is a "hole" in the area, there is a hole in the north, there is a hole in the south, but there is no hole on the border

This post was edited by AGG-06.02.2012 02: 43

all that is written there-if it has reached somewhere-complete bullshit-a hand to cut off-Roman Ishin (c)

"...It turns out that in the forest-steppe, if it is, it is very rare, probably only in large old forests that miraculously survived the wars."

I drove through the Tambov forests 30 km south of Tambov and up to the Ryazan region and caught it - it's not there. I collect, for a long time, all lichens, this kind of impossible to miss. it turns out that there is a "hole" in the area, there is a hole in the north, there is a hole in the south, but there is no hole on the border

Not a fact. It is also very local in the Moscow region. I've been fishing in the country for 15 years - not a single one. And 7 km from the dacha in one night in the center of the forest under a hundred flew to the light. In the Tambov region, I remember the forest along the river. Cna (Tambov-Morshansk). There is an elongated, but quite decent area. Clearly, that all not obovlenyy. Maybe so...

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(Lavr Bolshakov @ 05.02.2012 21: 21)
vvdubatolov @ 04.02.2012 19: 36)
...Tambov - apparently a white spot in general on raznousym (there are M. B. publications of the author Ganzh et al., but their collections are not available in ZIN and ZMMSU and it seems that they do not differ much anywhere).
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everything that is written there-if it has reached somewhere-is complete bullshit-a hand to cut off...
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I quite agree from what I've seen in some of the diary lists. In the Korb and me catalog, Ganzha was included in the top four authors (along with Timraleev, Negrobov+Vodianova, Sirenko), whose instructions are most dangerous to use without checking.
And this lichen in our relative north seems to live in intact forests, and then not in everyone. In the forest-steppe, many forests were destroyed for firewood and other needs in the last war, many "deep-bodied" species did not survive this, and with a low flight radius, a new settlement can take a long time.

Not a fact. It is also very local in the Moscow region. I've been fishing in the country for 15 years - not a single one. And 7 km from the dacha in one night in the center of the forest under a hundred flew to the light. In the Tambov region, I remember the forest along the river. Cna (Tambov-Morshansk). There is an elongated, but quite decent area. Clearly, that all not obovlenyy. Maybe so...

I'm talking about this forest...

Lithosia quadra-already known from four points in the region-a species of purely forest (undoubtedly boreal) with conifers, single specimens arrive overnight (during summer)...

For Penzyak: please write specific collection points for Lithosia quadra in the Penza region. I would be very grateful for the information. Sorry, but I have to disagree with you: Lithosia quadra is a classic non-moral species, that is, associated with broad-leaved forests. If it were boreal, there would be a lot of it in Siberia. But we have it exclusively in the extreme east of Transbaikalia - that is, where individual non-moral Amur-Manchurian species penetrate. Its distribution in the Lower Amur region also does not extend beyond multi-breed (!) broad-leaved forests: the species is absent near the mouth of the Amur River. And in the north-east of European Russia, the view does not extend beyond the Middle and Upper Volga, as well as the southern half of the Kama basin. If the species were boreal, it would occupy most of the Komi Republic.

Separately, many thanks to Lavr Bolshakov for the point in the Penza region! This is just in the right "oval".

This post was edited by vvdubatolov - 06.02.2012 15: 17

It is strange, for whom we write articles it is not clear - here is a link to my article BACK in 2002, on the discovery of this type of lichen in Akhunakh (the eastern part of Penza):
Polumordvinov O. A., Monakhov E. M., 2002a. Rare and protected lepidoptera (Insecta, Lepidoptera) Penza region. Post 1 (Macrolepidoptera) / / Fauna and ecology of animals. - Penza: PSPU, Issue 3, pp. 29-48.
If you are interested, there is information about other Penza bears.

.. How urgently do I need information (need dates and quantity,gender of butterflies?) - I need to watch the fees, I don't remember it seems that I immediately entered such a recognizable look in my field diaries... And where will this information go? - I will then need to refer to the publication...

It is quite possible that it is also immoral - everything is so fancifully mixed up here in the forest-steppe that sometimes you just get into a dead end with the description of the locale... everything is literally "two steps away".

It is strange, for whom we write articles it is not clear - here is a link to my article BACK in 2002, on the discovery of this type of lichen in Akhunakh (the eastern part of Penza):
Polumordvinov O. A., Monakhov E. M., 2002a. Rare and protected lepidoptera (Insecta, Lepidoptera) Penza region. Post 1 (Macrolepidoptera) / / Fauna and ecology of animals. Penza: PSPU, Issue 3, pp. 29-48.

Oleg, your indignation is incomprehensible. You might think that the notes of Penza Pedagogical University are a reference book for any entomologist. Publish in central publications, then you can be indignant. This is the problem with literature. There are HUNDREDS of regional publications that several people know about, but they are not refereed anywhere and you can't find out about them except by accident. Therefore, we ask you to provide information. We think that this article, as a review of the genus Lithosia and related genera, will be published in Zootaxa. But first you need to write it.
Thank you very much to all those who sent us this information.

This post was edited by dim-va-07.02.2012 20: 33

Vadim, hi! It's funny, actually, you edited and advised me on this article. And the signal copy (none of the authors had it at all yet!) I even signed this collection and sent it to you personally…
And this collection was sent out in a mandatory mailing list - on mammals and birds we even quote very much. I even expressed my personal gratitude to you:

Page. 46. .................................. P. proserpina. Due to insufficient data on the Geometridae and Noctuidae families, which have only just begun to be collected and require verification by specialized specialists, we do not identify any species that require protection.
We would like to express our sincere gratitude to Yu. P. Korshunov (SB RAS, Novosibirsk), V. V. Zolotukhin (UGPU, Ulyanovsk), L. V. Bolshakov (TOIALM, Tula), V. V. Anikin (SSU, Saratov), A.V. Sviridov, and E. M. Shishkin for their constant advice and assistance in identifying complex species. Antonova (Zoological Museum of Moscow State University), L. M. Kirichenko (TSU, Tambov), A. A. Lastukhin (ChSPU, Cheboksary), G. A. Anufriev (NSU, Nizhny Novgorod), A. E. Blinushov (Regional Plant Protection Station, Ryazan). We are also grateful to the botanists A. A. Solyanov (I. I. Sprygin Herbarium, PSPU), A. A. Chistyakova, P. I. Platatin (Department of Botany, PSPU) and V. M. Vasyukov (MSU, Saransk), who helped us in identifying forage plant species and geobotanical description of landscapes.

LITERATURE
Anikin V. V., 1996. Insects (Butterflies) / Red Data Book of the Saratov region: Plants, fungi, lichens. Animals / / Com.proc. the second one. environments and natures. resources of the Saratov region – Saratov: Region. Volga Region Publishing House "Children's book", pp. 185-200.
Anikin V. V., 1997. Rare and protected Lepidoptera Saratov region // Fauna and ecology of animals. Penza: PSPU, pp. 5-12.
Anikin V. V., 1997. Specific essays for the poster "Rare and endangered insects of the Saratov region". - Saratov. Committee for Environmental Protection of the Saratov Region, pp. 10-21.
Antonova E. M., 1977. Structure........................................

Was it hard or unlucky to ask me about this species? I seem to be always available for BUSINESS and quite adequate...
The second day here I pick in my storerooms (yesterday I looked through all the boxes with different sawyers at home), and today I shift the boxes at the department for the sake of information to you on Lithosia quadra... As I understand it, you would like to take photos of males in particular... Okay, I'll do it now ...


Here is the photo and label. If you look in http://www.topomapper.com/ then the coordinates are literally as follows: 45.15206 53.25625

We'll look at other points and also provide their coordinates. Do you want to photograph females??

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Was it hard or unlucky to ask me about this species? I seem to be always available for BUSINESS and quite adequate...

Hm. So I sent 2 emails. Since 3 weeks ago. And recently. On the soap. Silent. This means that it is not available (((
Photos are not needed. You just need labels.
Thank you))) This is exactly what we need. A dream come true!