Cocoonworms-Lasiocampidae

Zimbabwe. Help me determine it.

thank you very much!
more questions of the plant are given from those observed in nature or what was fed at home? and then we are looking in our own area, but all without success here we are collecting information for the upcoming spring.
-can I get a photo (or a short description) of the biotope?
PS can be used on soap, but I think that a couple of good photos of stations will not harm the topic, but only add to it

Dear forumchane, tell me, please, how do the Siberian cocoonworm reliably differ from the pine cocoonworm? Here in the Urals, both species are found.

These types are hard to confuse. Both in size, and in the clarity of the picture, and in general proportions. I'll give you pictures one of these days, but I don't have time now. The real difference, in case of doubt, is the valvas. They can be easily viewed for fresh copies and with some skill - and for collectible ones. In valvae, the ratio of the upper and lower blades is important. The kilmese "species" is either a highly evasive pini, or, more likely, only a hybrid form between the two species - this partly explains the fact that according to different markers, butterflies of this form are placed either in the pini clade or in the sibiricus clade.

These types are hard to confuse. Both in size, and in the clarity of the picture, and in general proportions. I'll give you pictures one of these days, but I don't have time now. The real difference, in case of doubt, is the valvas. They can be easily viewed for fresh copies and with some skill - and for collectible ones. In valvae, the ratio of the upper and lower blades is important. The kilmese "species" is either a highly evasive pini, or, more likely, only a hybrid form between the two species - this partly explains the fact that according to different markers, butterflies of this form are placed either in the pini clade or in the sibiricus clade.

Can you show me photographs of the genitals of a male and female ilicifolium?

Good. Just a little later. Maybe after the weekend.

what's wrong with tremulifolia?

so it is... both tremulifolium
I posted here ilicifolium in comparison with this species.
With the genitals, I'm sorry, I never made a flat drug, but, I'll make a reservation right away, these two types of genitals do not differ. Not by the shape of the valvae, not by the weapons of the Aedeagus. So you can not cook.

For me, such statements are like a red rag for a bull for nothing, that I don't do cocoonworms. Still, I'm really asking for a photo of the genitals of a real ilicifolium.

For me, such statements are like a red rag for a bull for nothing, that I don't do cocoonworms.

Vlad, take a look at my ilicifolia website.

Slav, and the second "ilicifolia" is not tremulifolia?

nope

Are you sure? And then the tremulik is not only steppe, in the forests, too, there is...

I'm sure I'm sure ))

yes, here they are, look for yourself they are different

And more.

Here are these photos from the Ramenskoye district of the Moscow Region (Vitaly Gumenyuk from Khripani ...

And when did it become an ilicifolia?
I think I've always been a tremulifolia

Not, which is set here - there are no complaints about it. But on the site you still have a second image, a completely red one. We're talking about him.

And the second one is not from my collection, but believe me, it is also an ilicifolia. take a look at the lightening along the submarginal band on the front fender. tremulifolia doesn't have it.