Cocoonworms-Lasiocampidae

Yes, the situation in the country with lanestris is difficult, but we will dare. Maybe we'll catch it somewhere.

Look for a peat bog, a thicket of willows on the peat bog, and try to shine from the end of March. The earliest at my dacha lanestris - March 30, the latest-May 10, it all depends on the weather in the spring. Flies to the light in the first hour and a half after dark.

In the forest-steppe and steppe, as I was told, you need to look in dry places, gullies, hills-where there are thorns. I just found the caterpillars in such a place,on the turn.

This post was edited by Dantist-04.03.2011 10: 17

I found the masonry, also on the turn.

Gastropacha encausta Hampson, 1900
Pakistan
Common in Afghanistan, Pakistan and India.

Metanastria gemella de Lajonquiere, 1979
P. Vietnam, leg. V. V. Zolotukhin
is widespread in the South and South-in China, North. India, Nepal, North. Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Borneo and Sumatra

A relative of lanestris Eriogaster catax. This copy is German. But isolated finds were also recorded in Western Ukraine.

Pictures:

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Eriogaster lanestris near Moscow. All from Orekhovo-Zuyevsky district (Neftyanik and Poplar). Males are almost black to brown in color:







I can't say anything about the variability of females, I only got one:

Omsk Eriogaster lanestris!
April 14, 2011. forest-steppe.

Unfortunately, I didn't catch Lanestris myself today, but the guys are great, class!!! Keep it up.

At least someone tell me the timing of the summer of lanestris and biotopes ?

I caught it in mid-April in a birch spike with aspen and willow trees.

apparently now he no longer flies?

no, it's already gone.

From the first days of May, they were periodically caught in birch-aspen-willow forests, and more than one. Very local?

It's just too late, it flies when the snow hasn't come down yet. And a peat bog is needed. And so local, yes.

I want to present photos of all ages Trichiura crataegi. Now they are at the age of 5, came out of the eggs on May 5, develop very quickly.

1 age group



2 age



3 age




4 age



5 age

Poecilocampa populi, also developing very fast, is now at 5% growth.

1 age group



2 age



3 age



4 age



5 age

I forgot to write, both species eat birch very well.

I would like to note an important feature of pupation of the above-mentioned species.
Before pupating, the caterpillar crawls on the ground and eats the ground. Then pupates either on the ground or branches, weaving a light barrel-shaped cocoon. Then it begins to cover it from the inside with wet chewed earth, which then dries up.

This feature is inherent in many of the so-called primitive genera, such as Trichiura and Poecilocampa.

Vologda region, Kaduysky district, Pakino village 22.05.2011 N: 59°20 '42"/E: 37°04 '18"
Japanese school?

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Well Done =)

Help with philodesmsms
Something I'm confused about
For me, both are tremulifolium

MO, Zheleznodorozhny
verkhny 05.05.2010
nizhnyiy 20.05.2010
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here is another first in kind, before I got to the straightening machine
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Phyllodesma joannisi Lajonquiere, 1963

V. V. Dubatolov from Sochi described the subspecies Phyllodesma joannisi ponticum Dubatolov, 1990
Photographed specimens from Krasnodar Krai

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I would also show you how they differ from tremulics. For me, it's one - on-one. Genetic species again? Or geographical separation? Could it be Phyllodesma tremulifolium ponticum Dubatolov, 1990? Grisha, what do you think?

Sergey, hi!
I have a printout of Vadim Zolotukhin's work on the cocoonworms of the USSR at home.
There are area maps. According to them, starting from the Krasnodar Territory, this very Phyllodesma joannisi lives throughout the Caucasus, except for Talysh. Phyllodesma farahae lives on the Talysh. By the way on the Novosibirsk site http://szmn.eco.nsc.ru there is a photo of Phyllodesma joannisi ponticum, but it is red there. The photo is not very high-quality. This species has a very strong color variability from monophonic red, with almost no pattern. To a certain extent, it depends on the generation (in the spring they are darker brown , in the summer they are more red monotonous). I can scan and upload maps with areas.

This post was edited by cajarc - 28.06.2011 13: 13

Sergey, hi!
I have a printout of Vadim Zolotukhin's work on the cocoonworms of the USSR at home.
There are area maps. According to them, starting from the Krasnodar Territory, this very Phyllodesma joannisi lives throughout the Caucasus, except for Talysh. Phyllodesma farahae lives on the Talysh. By the way on the Novosibirsk site http://szmn.eco.nsc.ru there is a photo of Phyllodesma joannisi ponticum, but it is red there. The photo is not very high-quality. This species has a very strong color variability from monophonic red, with almost no pattern. To a certain extent, it depends on the generation (in the spring they are darker brown , in the summer they are more red monotonous). I can scan and upload maps with areas.

They have many photos like this there. Photographer liquid-liquid in the hands of us ... you need. How can you do such a shitty thing with white balance???

Sergey, hi!
I have a printout of Vadim Zolotukhin's work on the cocoonworms of the USSR at home.
There are area maps. According to them, starting from the Krasnodar Territory, this very Phyllodesma joannisi lives throughout the Caucasus, except for Talysh. Phyllodesma farahae lives on the Talysh. By the way on the Novosibirsk site http://szmn.eco.nsc.ru there is a photo of Phyllodesma joannisi ponticum, but it is red there. The photo is not very high-quality. This species has a very strong color variability from monophonic red, with almost no pattern. To a certain extent, it depends on the generation (in the spring they are darker brown , in the summer they are more red monotonous). I can scan and upload maps with areas.

Grigory, where they are found is a secondary question, but HOW do they differ? We won't leave you alone...

Well, what are you to Grisha stuck)))
We have 4 types in the EC. One quite characteristic one is japonicum ssp. arboreum-it is here from the Kadui district. But the other three are completely ambushed. Only joannisi = ponticum is clearly separated from all of them (V. V. Dubatolov incorrectly interpreted the type locality of jaonnisi as Turkmenistan. Actually Azerbaijan). Genital - there one of the lateral brushes of cornutuses on the vesicle is missing. There is only this species in the whole Caucasus (in the Talysh there is still Farakh); the first generation is dark, like ilicifolium, the second is light, with red seedlings, like tremulifolium danieli. The latter view is sympatric with joannisi in western Turkey, but the border there is not very clear. Our remaining two species are ecologically distinct, but genitally identical. What stands out from the MO for me is an atypical ilicifolium with a reduction of a light pattern, but a characteristic jagged exterior. And if it is collected in swamps, this only confirms the definition.

Vadim, thank you. Now it is clear that in addition to japonica, we have only one species artificially divided into two-and what to call it, tremulifolium or ilicifolium in general does not matter.

Vadim, thank you. Now it is clear that in addition to japonica, we have only one species artificially divided into two-and what to call it, tremulifolium or ilicifolium in general does not matter.

Why artificially divided?

Why artificially divided?

Apparently I really wanted to describe the new view
But seriously, it turns out that there are no external differences, in the genitals-no, still someone would give information on DNA to finally make sure that the species is one.

Uh-huh.. certainly not artificially divided. These are 2 different species, probably just still young. There are some interesting things about DNA, but I haven't looked at ilicifolium yet, I can't find any fresh material. By the way, if it is possible to send a leg from these 2 butterflies from the Ministry of Defense, it would be interesting to run them for DNA and confirm the definition.

I wonder how you can send two types of legs at once, if they do not differ?

From each copy. you can send it, although a DNA test doesn't seem cheap...

I wonder how you can send two types of legs at once, if they do not differ?

As I understand it - from one that is most similar to ilicifolium, and from the second that is most similar to tremulifolium

Thank you for explaining it. I can bring a dozen legs from all my tremulets to the congress (I have only 10 of them from different places). But I can't tell which quasivid I'm more like. Different sources have very different photos of tremuli/ilitii, which is logical given that this is one type. Just like the Fermi quasi-levels for electrons and holes: it seems to be two, but in fact at best one

Well, what are you to Grisha stuck)))
We have 4 types in the EC. One quite characteristic one is japonicum ssp. arboreum-it is here from the Kadui district. But the other three are completely ambushed. Only joannisi = ponticum is clearly separated from all of them (V. V. Dubatolov incorrectly interpreted the type locality of jaonnisi as Turkmenistan. Actually Azerbaijan). Genital - there one of the lateral brushes of cornutuses on the vesicle is missing. There is only this species in the whole Caucasus (in the Talysh there is still Farakh); the first generation is dark, like ilicifolium, the second is light, with red seedlings, like tremulifolium danieli. The latter view is sympatric with joannisi in western Turkey, but the border there is not very clear. Our remaining two species are ecologically distinct, but genitally identical. What stands out from the MO for me is an atypical ilicifolium with a reduction of a light pattern, but a characteristic jagged exterior. And if it is collected in swamps, this only confirms the definition.

Can you show me photographs of the genitals of a male and female ilicifolium?

2 different species are about tremulifolium & ilicifolium, not about these 2 specimens. In 95% of cases, both types differ well in appearance. Photos of genitals will look, but I'm not sure that there is an ilicifolia. Specifically, I have not yet photographed them, unlike the types of southern groups.

2 different species are about tremulifolium & ilicifolium, not about these 2 specimens. In 95% of cases, both types differ well in appearance. Photos of genitals will look, but I'm not sure that there is an ilicifolia. Specifically, I have not yet photographed them, unlike the views of the southern groups.

To separate these two types visually (if in fact there are two types), you probably need to have each of them in a series. Maybe I only have one species, so I can't really tell them apart. Vadim, could you post photos of at least five pieces of each type for comparison and indicate the main distinguishing features? And then one photo of each species that you posted earlier, it is impossible to determine anything (especially since it looks like ilizia on those photos is generally a female).