Jaundice (Colias)

Many thanks, okoem, for such interesting material !
I can imagine Oryol egg yolks, although I don't have many of them,
since I'm not exactly a collector, but rather an observer.
I catch, consider, and mostly let go, and I've given away many of them.
First, females - top row of C. alfacariensis,
Luzhki suburban settlement, Logonets, 10.07.2009.
Bottom row-C. hyale, Pilatovka village, 25. 07. 2010, in the garden.

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Now the males, top row-C. alfacariensis,
were caught at the same time as the females, Logaritz, 10. 07.2009.
Second row-C. hyale, 18.07.2010 p. Pilatovka, in the garden.
The bottom row is C. hyale, for comparison - from the Kharkiv region, the vicinity of the city.Lozovaya street,
in the garden, 04.08.2007 I remember that they impressed me with their size.
Yes, but, indeed, the ratio of the border of the upper and lower wings
is a very stable sign! I have never seen a double border in C. alfacariensis.
Our C. hyale often has roundish wings, but in small individuals.
The larger the specimen, the straighter the outer edge of the wing.
The underparts of C. hyale are also grayer and more uneven in color.
I represent the habitat of C. alfacariensis-Logonets, nature reserve. There were plans to make
it a branch of the Central Chernozem Steppe Reserve, but.... C. alfacariensis flies out about ten days earlier than C. hyale, although this may be
due to the earlier warming of the southern slopes.

This post was edited by Kallima - 01.01.2011 15: 12

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2 okoem
spent the entire New Year's Eve in fruitless attempts to pass through the answer.
Is there any other way to be more responsive for particularly advanced users?

Well... New Year's Eve is probably not the best time to pass through the archives... Especially if you try to enter the password from the keyboard Here in the morning, with a fresh head. Everything is done very simply:
1. Open the text file.
2. Select the password (Ctrl + a)
3. Copy the password (Ctrl + c)
4. Open the archive and insert the password in the window (Ctrl + v)
5. Open the text file and read the response

I don't post either the answer or the password in the topic, because it's interesting to look at the number of downloads.

This post was edited by okoem - 01.01.2011 19: 13

Everyone from N. G.!!!

I post my all other hyale-alfacariensis for comparison, from different places in Ukraine.
1. Ternopil region, along the highway, limestone outcrops, 14.07.2009
2.Lviv region, Zolochiv district, Stinka village, limestone outcrops,9.07.2009
3.Luhansk region, Sverdlovsk region, Provalie village, steppe areas,29.06.2009
4.Chernihiv region.Bobrovitsky district, Ozeryany village, 29.08.2009
5.Dnepropetrovsk region, Solonyansky district, Voiskovoe village, zalezhi,16.05.2009
6.Kiev, Feofaniya Park, southern slope of Balki,5.06.2008
7.Lviv region, Zolochiv district, Stinka village, limestone outcrops,9.07.2009
8.Lviv region, Zolochiv district, Stinka village, limestone outcrops,9.07.2009
9.Luhansk region, Sverdlovsk region, Provalie village, steppe areas,29.06.2009
10.Kiev, Feofaniya Park, southern slope of Balki,21.07.2008
11.Chernihiv region.Bobrovitsky district, Ozeryany village, 23.08.2008
12.Crimea, Kerch Peninsula, MoscowKiten, 29.06.2008.

I count 100% hyale at numbers 5 and 11 ,the rest then alfacariensis?

This post was edited by Dantist - 01.01.2011 19: 04

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Number 4,9,10 is also C. hyale.

This post was edited by Kallima - 01.01.2011 19: 22

hyale at numbers 5 and 11, the rest then alfacariensis?

I would say that alfakariensis - 1, 3, 6, 7, 12.5
and 11-probably so.
The rest , I don't know.

Number 4,9,10 is also C. hyale.

Sat compared, like in 4-the front fenders are more rounded than in 5. But the black dusting at the root of the wings is the same

About number 4 - we have a lot of such C. huale, I had one with much more round wings.
They are more often found on dry forests, but this is definitely not C. alfacariensis, elm is rare here,
and its nearest growth is very far away. In this case, we must not forget about the complex of signs, as Hooke said. And the gaps on the border, as okoyem correctly noted, are often larger in C. hyale. Once I was very interested in the variability of C. hyale, there was a lot of material, now it is out of access. And number 9 is very similar to a typical female of the 1st generation C. hyale. They are often so "dusty", not contrasting. It will be necessary to catch it in the summer, even it became interesting to check
in the light of new information. Thank you again to okoy for the work he has done!

I came across an article with a popular presentation and a funny title:
"Yellow butterflies confuse entomologists"
http://elementy.ru/genbio/synopsis?artid=195

Erates are quite rare in Siberia.

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Erates are quite rare in Siberia.

Roman, why do you consider erate a separate species?

In what sense? And what should I combine it with?

probably with crocea, which we never had before

In what sense? And what should I combine it with?

With C. crocea. This topic has already been discussed above.
http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtop...dpost&p=1000491

Roman, why do you consider erate a separate species?

As I understand it, someone should give the go-ahead to reduce it to synonyms. Any commission on zoological nomenclature?
If indeed they do, they interbreed freely, produce cheerful fertile offspring, are almost identical genetically, are indecently variable, and have an overlapping unbroken range.

We need a brave person who would formally, with a taxonomic act, reduce them to synonyms.
And then it would be trampled on for a long time and with pleasure.

crocea, which we have never had before

So here it is like zhezh...
http://omflies.narod.ru/Species/crocea.htm

Everything would not be so painful if a citizen who specializes at least in Egg Yolks and at most in whiteflies in general "wound up" in "Slavic" entomology.

It seems to me that nationality doesn't matter.
I don't know about Milovanov. I've never communicated.

So here it is like zhezh...
http://omflies.narod.ru/Species/crocea.htm

so we always considered her erata )))

I just don't know if there is a specialist in zhetushki in European or world entomology.

So I have never heard that someone purposefully engaged in jaundice/whiteflies. We have Milovanov. What about them?

At the expense of androconium.
C. crocea from the Crimea.


This post was edited by okoem - 07.01.2011 13: 04

alfokoriensis is sent to chiala, erat to crocea, and polyagrafusov where, also to crocea?

This post was edited by sdi-07.01.2011 22: 06

alfokoriensis is sent to chiala, erat to crocea, and polyagrafusov where, also to crocea?

alfocoriensis to hiale

We do not send alfocoriensis to chiala

Or maybe it's better to put all the justifications together and post them here? From numerous opinions ears in a tube are turned up

and where are the polyagraphuses going, also to the Crocei?

Long wanted to ask this question, Dear sdi ahead.

I have long wanted to ask this question, Dear sdi was ahead of me.

Dear sdi last summer disdained to catch them, saying that khiale and the Moscow region is full of

poliographus is almost identical to crocea in the COI gene

Thanks ! And how to write the label now? C. crocea polyographus?

  
Hyale and alfacariensis [ ... ]. But the literature on these species is so mixed up that it's scary to read.
For example, this species is not listed in Korshunov's 1972 catalog.

In fact, in the LINK on page 145 of his catalog (1972), Yu.P. Korshunov writes that "Recently B. Alberti ([link to publication]) for the Caucasus, and earlier for Europe. parts cited by australis Vrty. Following E. V. Niculescu ([link to publication]), we consider this form to be a subspecies of C. hyale L. So Yuri Pavlovich is clear before the people in this regard.
In Korshunov's book on diaries of Asia and in the catalog of Tuzov et al., alfacariensis is considered as a synonym of Colias sareptensis Staudinger, 1871. Here, apparently, it is still "a matter of taste" ...
In the catalog of S. Korb (2005), on page 19, there is an interesting note about alfacariensis, more precisely, a quote from one of Korshunov's works (later than the catalog), where Korshunov refers all the way to Alferaki, who " derived this taxon [that is, saretensis = alfacariensis] from the designation of the hybrid hyale and erate". Korb cited Korshunov's 1996 work, I don't have it, but there is a 2002 edition, it says (in meaning) the same thing:

What does a subspecies mean if they live side by side in many places?

I totally agree with you! I just wanted to point out that Korshunov mentioned it. Incorrect interpretation of a taxon is another matter.

One gets the impression that Korshunov alfacariensis never saw or was familiar with Nekrutenko's work.

Quite possibly... Now it's hard to say for sure...

What makes you think, gentlemen, that YUPK didn't know the species C. alfacariensis !?? At the beginning of this century (damn, it sounds a bit creepy), he identified this species from our collections in the Penza Region, which was later confirmed by other luminaries. Yes, the species is rare and doesn't come across every year. And I described the situation with crocea and erate earlier in this thread. Among other things, the SCC already suspected something about crocea-asking me if it was available in our area and what the timing of the summer was... And it is completely incomprehensible why the decently outdated Korshunov catalog, 1972, was needed ??

This post was edited by Penzyak - 11.01.2011 15: 06

There was another work of Milovanov, posted on the site.

Miлованов А.Е., Компанiйцев О.О., Оберемок В.В., Сiмчук А.П.
Генетичнi дистанцii мiж номiнативними i паратипiчними формами Colias crocea Fourc. i C. erate Esp. (Lepidoptera, Pieridae) за даними RAPD-PCR-аналiзу
PDF

And here is the lectotype of sareptensis.
Where did the "wide black border of the rear fenders" come from and where did it go?

Can I write the entire article? I don't have one...

And how is the promised article?
Is it out of print yet?

Not yet. When it will be released is not yet clear. The article contains a short essay on alfacariensis, but in principle, all the most interesting things have already been said in this topic.

the very fact of copulation is by no means a proof of the "crocea = erate"thesis. And copulation, in turn, is not a guarantee of getting hybrids in F1. And the latter, if they appear, will only indicate their presence. You must get at least the F2 generation.

If I understand the following text correctly, then the F2 generation has already been received. I quote "Day butterflies of Eastern Europe", Ivy I. G. and others. :

Since the hybrid Colias crocea (Geoffroy in Fourcroy, 1785) and Colias erate (Esper, [1840]) is quite common in the southern part of Eastern Europe in places of sympatric habitat of species, it was decided to devote a separate illustrated essay to it. When studying intrapopulation polymorphism (1) by colleagues from the Crimea, normal fecundity of experimentally obtained hybrids was noted. Moreover, the hybrids were not only fertile, but some of them freely interbred with individuals of both parent species. As a result of natural field observations, cases of mating between males of Colias erate, and females of Colias crocea, especially the helice form (white form), were also found, in the absence of females of their own species. The authors of studies (1) do not exclude secondary hybridization of species in the Crimea.

Sources.
1. A. E. Milovnov, A. P. Simchuk, A.V. Ivashev, 2004.

Vladimir, do you mean the disc on diaries of Eastern Europe? I heard that it seems to have been then (after 2005) either a new disk at all - or a redesigned one???

Are you referring to the disc on diaries from Eastern Europe?

Yes.
A disk update was released (as a separate installable file).

Interestingly, Blinky didn't tell me anything about this... So buy CDs - after all, it's a book in Africa and a book!
And that this file is being sold or???

And that this file is being sold or???

Downloaded for free. I mean, I downloaded it a few years ago, but I don't know now.

In oktober i wrote to post a picture of the Colias i caught in Odessa
here it is...
This summer 2011 we goto Austria, Italia and Yugoslavia, and i will bring my butterflynet with me off course hehe
Looking forward on the summer
Thanks friends
Henny

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Milovanov A. E., Simchuk A. P., Ivashov A.V.
Intrapopulation polymorphism of Colias sgosea and Colias erate (Lepidoptera, Pieridae) in the area of their syntopic habitat in the Crimea
// Zoological Journal 2004; vol. 83, no. 11, pp. 1244-1248
DjVu

Milovanov A. E., Simchuk A. P.
Parameters of genetic diversity and subdivision of Colias crocea Fourc. and C. erate ESP. (Lepidoptera, Pieridae)
in the area of syntopic habitat in the Crimea according to allozyme and RAPD-PCR analysis
// Journal of General Biology 2008; Vol. 69, N 6. pp. 434-440
DjVu

CLAIR F. A. BRUNTON
The evolution of ultraviolet patterns in European Colias butterflies (Lepidoptera, Pieridae): a phylogeny using mitochondrial DNA


 Clair_Colias_UV.pdf

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I conducted a small experiment on photographing in UV light.
Results: Croceus standard appearance "glows" always. "Hybrids" glow selectively, but more often they don't. Alfacariensis and hyala do not glow.


Images in ultraviolet light.

"Hybrid"



Colias crocea



Brood series from one female. Some instances "glow" very faintly.



Colias chrysotheme

  
If we say the very essence and briefly-when the outer edge of the front wing is "straight" - with a high degree of probability this is a hyala. If there is no border on the hind wings , it is most likely alfacariensis.

here is another illustration. Just in case...

From this book here: