Genus Parnassius

14.02.2008 15:37, Guest

14.02.2008 15:56, Pavel Morozov

14.02.2008 16:21, Guest

14.02.2008 20:20, taler

Wow how difficult It Really Is, the devil will break his leg with these parnassus....

14.02.2008 22:16, Pavel Morozov

15.02.2008 4:29, Ekos

As promised, I start posting photos of the Amur taxa of the P. eversmanni group. Just want to apologize for the large number of glare on the pictures.

1) Parnassius felderi felderi. The vicinity of Obluchye, Khingansk and the upper reaches of the Tyrma River. Top - 2 females.

Pictures:

felderi_Malyi_Khingan.JPG — (137.48к)

15.02.2008 4:40, Ekos

2) Parnassius felderi litoreus (=gornyiensis), early summer form, June, Miaochang Ridge (north of Komsomolsk-on-Amur). The size is small, but on average slightly larger than the typical P. eversmanni.
Lower right corner - female.

Pictures:

litoreus_early_summer_form_Myaochan.JPG — (142.62к)

15.02.2008 4:43, Ekos

Male P.felderi litoreus, but from a different place-Vkhnebureinsky district of Khabarovsk Krai, village. Chegdomyn. Early summer form, very early July.

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litoreus_early_form_Chegdomyn.JPG — (143.98к)

15.02.2008 4:51, Ekos

And this is a medium-summer form of P. felderi litoreus (=gornyiensis) from Miaochang, July, the size is large, like a typical felderi. In this photo, I collected specimens in appearance similar to a typical felderi from Maly Khingan. On the second photo - the same thing, only yellow copies. And all this flies together.

Pictures:

litoreus_middle_summer_form_Myaochan.JPG — (139.96к)


litoreus_middle_summer_form2_Myaochan.JPG — (139.33к)

15.02.2008 4:59, Ekos

And this is Parnassius eversmanni vosnessenskii, end of June, Khabarovsk Territory, Verkhnebureinsky district, Bureinsky Reserve, upper reaches of the Levaya Bureya river, height about 1200 m above sea level. m. Small size, all signs of imeno eversmanni, not felderi!!! I watched a good episode! Although on this map in Helios, only litoreus is indicated for Bureya!

Pictures:

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15.02.2008 5:03, Ekos

And this is also P. eversmanni vosnessenskii, only from a slightly different point-from the upper reaches of the Right Bureya. Beginning of July. The average size is the same as that of normal Siberian eversmannies. Under litoreus does not roll!

Pictures:

vosnessenskii_Pravaya_Bureya.JPG — (136.54к)

15.02.2008 5:08, Ekos

But this female is from the upper reaches of the Umalta River (Verkhnebureinsky district). Also P. eversmanni vosnessenskii. Thus, P. eversmanni lives in the upper reaches of Bureya and to the north, and P. felderi with different subspecies lives to the south. Thus, in the south of the Far East, there are definitely eversmanni, and not only Felderi, despite all recent works on this group. I make this unambiguous conclusion after watching several episodes from different places.

Pictures:

female_Umal__ta.JPG — (152.53к)

15.02.2008 9:24, Andry Shaposhnikov

Parnassius apollo Linnaeus, 1758, male and female, Republic of Bashkiria, Burzyansky district.
to Ekos: Zhenya don't you get my messages? (babochkalov (Stinkal))

15.02.2008 11:41, Acdestis

15.02.2008 13:27, Acdestis

16.02.2008 4:59, Mylabris

Dear colleagues!
Thank you all so much for developing this topic!
Although I'm a beetle researcher, I've always been interested in appolons both visually and taxonomically (in the sense of a mess in the genus system ).
Once I tried to determine my own people from Tuzov's tables - not much came out, only with the help of you did I understand who is who.
My question is this: as far as I understand, here the definition is very specific, in the sense that there are no normal tables by gender (in the sense of definitional, TEXT, keys).
Professionals such as Morozzz and Ekos clearly define them "by sight", except in exceptional cases involving their collections for comparison. But this requires time and a huge amount of viewed material. And how was it "at the dawn" of your acquaintance with the group? How was it determined? And how can a simple layman determine the caught species?
I did the right thing. way: 1) compiled a list of species found in Zail. Alatau
2)Downloaded Tuzova
3)I looked at his tables
and that was the end of it - the variability of the drawing and the abundance of illustrations led me to a dead end.

16.02.2008 10:46, taler

16.02.2008 20:36, PG18

Well, here's another legend for you. Small, true, legendochka, but arktikus
Parnassius arcticus, male and female
Eastern Sakha (: -), Suntar-Khayata, June 1994

18.02.2008 4:20, Ekos

18.02.2008 4:29, Ekos

My question is this: as far as I understand, here the definition is very specific, in the sense that there are no normal tables by gender (in the sense of definitional, TEXT, keys).
Professionals such as Morozzz and Ekos clearly define them "by sight", except in exceptional cases involving their collections for comparison. But this requires time and a huge amount of viewed material. And how was it "at the dawn" of your acquaintance with the group? How was it determined? And how can a simple layman determine the caught species?
I did the right thing. way: 1) compiled a list of species found in Zail. Alatau
2)Downloaded Tuzova
3)I looked at his tables
and that was the end of it - the variability of the drawing and the abundance of illustrations led me to a dead end.

At the beginning of my passion for parnassus, I had no particular problems with the definition. I determined it from books, photos from the Internet, and collections of other researchers. Then I started to put all the Parnassians in my collection in series, since for some groups the final conclusion can only be made by series, because the variability of the Apollons is oh-oh-oh! Now I don't have any problems with the definition, the full picture has formed in my head.
It's easier for a simple layman now - a topic with images of Parnassus, where we are now, has appeared on our forum! Soon I'll post something else, all hands do not reach.

19.02.2008 2:53, Ekos

Parnassius glacialis, two males from different locations on Honshu Island (Japan).

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P.glacialis_Japan.JPG — (148.93к)

19.02.2008 2:55, Ekos

Parnassius nordmanni, a couple from the Sochi area.
P. S. May Morozzzz forgive me if I repeat myself!

Pictures:

P.nordmanni.JPG — (135.25к)

19.02.2008 2:57, Ekos

Parnassius simo avinovi is an interesting species, rare in collections because it flies at too high altitudes. A couple from Tajikistan, Akbura mountain range.

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P.simo_avinovi.JPG — (144.69к)

19.02.2008 2:59, Ekos

Parnassius epaphus kotzschi, two males, China, Gansu Province.

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P.epaphus_kotzschi.JPG — (136.84к)

19.02.2008 3:00, Ekos

Parnassius charltonius vaporosus, a pair from Tajikistan, Western Pamir, Vanch range.

Pictures:

P.charltonius_vaporosus.JPG — (140.59к)

19.02.2008 7:18, Konung

19.02.2008 7:46, Ekos

20.02.2008 2:57, Ekos

Male Parnassius szechenyii lethe and female P. szechenyii szechenyii. Both butterflies are from the Chinese province of Qinghai, but from different places.

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P.szechenyi_Quinghai.JPG — (140.18к)

20.02.2008 19:29, Guest

Well since in this topic special attention is paid to the places of trapping here is another felderi Bremer from the vicinity of the city of Kuldur Jewish AO

23.02.2008 13:52, taler

23.02.2008 14:36, Andylog

09.03.2008 19:28, Andylog

Parnassius stubbendorffii typicus (Bryk, 1914)
Novosibirsk region, 24.06.2006

Male:



Female:

11.03.2008 0:51, Алексей Яковлев

Parnassius bremeri Bremer, 1864

Several photos from nature (taken by professor Yu. N. Sidelnikov in the city of Obluchye, 2006).

Parnassius bremeri

on a big butterfly - a big spider!

against this background, only the red "hearts" and find

next to the pro - feeder-cleaner.

And here is the feeder - Sedum aizoon.

This post was edited by Alexey Yakovlev - 03/15/2008 18: 43

13.03.2008 17:34, Алексей Яковлев

I post the promised "Felders" in kind.
Photos taken by Prof. Yuri Nikolaevich Sidelnikov.

Parnassius eversmanni felderi
Xp. Maly Khingan, 2006

13.03.2008 17:36, Алексей Яковлев

And another rare subspecies of Bremer

Parnassius bremeri orotschonica Bang-Haas
Photo by Prof.

Middle Sikhote-Alin

13.03.2008 18:16, PG18

A curious male from ocd. Dalnegorsk (June 18, 2002), which we considered a hybrid of P. bremeri (orotschonica) & P. nomion. I apologize for the poor scans from the photos.

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13.03.2008 20:38, Nozer

Parnassius andreji buddenbrocki, though badly damaged.
China, Sichuan Province

15.03.2008 0:00, Michail M

Here is such a beast.
Presumably: Pamir. Shugnansky khr. [3600m], 18. [08].70 V. A. Barsov

signature of the theme curator: Parnassius charltonius Gray, [1853]

P. ch. vaporosus Avinov, 1916

This post was edited by Michail_M - 16.03.2008 14: 39

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15.03.2008 0:34, Michail M

Kyrgyzstan Zaalaisky hr. 20 km. from the town of Daroot-Korgon, Altyn-Dara river, 3100m.
A. Belov 19.07.92

it was suggested that this is Parnassius jacquemonti variabilis

This post was edited by Michail_M - 17.03.2008 23: 55

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15.03.2008 3:56, taler

Here is such a beast.
Pamir. Shugnansky hr. 2600m, 18.05.70 V. A. Barsov

something's bothering me a bit.In the middle of May, at an altitude of 2600m,there is still snow!The year of capture 1970-maybe, although officially avtokrator entered the entomofauna of the USSR in the mid-80s (Kaabak).And the place of capture, too.For the first time I see mention of the capture of "such a beast" on the Shugnan ridge...Maybe someone has more confirmation?