Cataloging photos of butterflies from the Forum on the site Insecta.pro

Related question for those who answered "no"
Y-yes, I didn't quite understand — do you think that cataloging butterfly photos from the forum is not necessary, or is it necessary, but not with the help of a gallery Lepidoptera.ru because this site is too amateur? In the case of the second option, how does the level of site fanciness affect the quality of cataloging?

Lepidoptera.ru -an amateur, useless site (my comments on this thesis)
So, now most of the site consists of a gallery and a catalog of species/other taxa with descriptions.

Gallery
Here I see only one remark (from barko): that the definition of the butterflies depicted in the photo is questionable.
Currently, photos display information about who defined the view. This data is not available for every image, but I will add more information soon, and it will be available for everyone.
For each image, you can leave comments that are signed with the user's name (and not a nickname, which the registered user does not have on the site at all).
For each image, you can specify whether the author is confident in the accuracy of the definition or whether the view is not defined accurately.
In the gallery, you can select photos that are not exactly defined, or even not defined at all, in order to leave a comment on them, confirm or deny the definition.
Question: What is missing here for clarity, non-doubtfulness of the definition?
Answer: more active participation of non-amateurs. If there are any additions to this answer — you are welcome to comment, please, everything is discussed, it is added to the site.

Catalog
The catalog may contain incomplete or even incorrect information in the descriptions. Or the system may be outdated somewhere. This is due to the fact that only I, an amateur with mostly amateur books/sources, have been dealing with descriptions so far. Only recently began to receive separate descriptions from other users, in particular, now comments to golubyanka, for example, writes Boris Stradomsky. Denis Tumanov also started, but he is currently on a break. Accordingly, these comments are processed into descriptions.
For a significant increase in the quality (and quantity) of text information, it is necessary to involve specialists. Preferably, under the supervision of a competent non-technical, but scientific admin. Perhaps I was too hasty with the launch of the site, not finding such an admin and specialists in advance. But if even now, when the site is at least in an amateur form, there are no people who want to participate in text content, they will not be found without a site, especially.
Conclusion: gentlemen, participate. Note: I understand that there is no time. And the desire to participate, until there is already a certain number of specialists. A vicious circle, all that...

Can't you embrace the vast?
I don't see any reason to restrict the site to any one group of butterflies or any territory.
Let's take a worthy and, I think, well-known example here: the website of Vladimir Savchuk (okoem) on butterflies of the Crimea. There is a specialist with practical and theoretical experience, as well as an interest in the butterflies of the Crimea (Vladimir). He puts out information. A high-quality one. Its. To your site. In a similar way, he can, for example, write a book on this topic. everything is OK.
I'm not an expert. This means that making a site for all butterflies without restrictions, I'm not going to spread my information on all butterflies, because it would not be adequate for a specialist (due to the volume of the topic), and even more so for me. And I certainly won't write the book "Butterflies of the World" (here I agree — not to embrace). But this means that I am creating a website where specialists from different groups and territories can upload, update, and edit information. The same can be done by amateurs, since sometimes a person who is far from the topic of butterflies manages to accidentally take a photo that a specialist can wait for for years. At the same time, I myself post my information or photos, as far as my modest abilities allow me, but only as an amateur.
As a result, if Vladimir does not have his own website, but has information, or even if there is a website, and there will be not one, but many such specialists, then there will be a very wonderful resource with versatile, but high-quality information on the common site. Of course, at the same time, I understand and respect the desire to have my own website and post information only on it.
Conclusion: the source of information from me is not very high-quality. But a fairly high-quality source of all the technical part and part of the administration. Specialists in lepidoptera-velkami.

Advertising on the site
A site similar to Lepidoptera.ru, you should not create for the sake of money from any advertising — even banner, even contextual, even purchased links. In terms of price / quality ratio, there are much more acceptable ways to earn money in this market, often very far from creating any useful sites with non-commercial content — here I am just not an amateur.
This does not mean that the site will never have ads. This means that the site was not created for financial gain, and that converting my time spent on the site into money will exceed any advertising by at least 100 times.

Resume
Y-yes, is there anything significant, other than qualified authors, that this site lacks? If there is — please speak out, if not-who is the first?:--)
ZY okoem, and how is macroid more professional? I don't quite understand... Lepidoptera.pl it is clear that there are quite a lot of knowledgeable people there, and the admin
himself is a specialist. Z. Z. S. In general, the impression is beginning to form that it is necessary to offer money so that business with specialist authors moves faster. But I think it's important to make the resource really public, based on genuine interest in the topic, and not on money. Or am I wrong about this?

  Related question for those who answered "no"

Asar, the essence of my statement boils down to one thing-I am against using my photos on the site lepidoptera.ru. I answer you as a forum member. Questions asked by you on behalf of lepidoptera.ru I'll leave it unanswered. I'm not interested in this topic.

I agree.

  Related question for those who answered "no"
Y-yes, I didn't quite understand — do you think that cataloging butterfly photos from the forum is not necessary, or is it necessary, but not with the help of a gallery Lepidoptera.ru because this site is too amateur? In the case of the second option, how does the level of site fanciness affect the quality of cataloging?

I answered "no" to posting my photos on lepidoptera.ru. As for cataloging, I don't care.

okoem, barko, ok, understood.

Just to be clear.
Also no.
I fully support barko and okoem.
catalog/photo bank is a good idea that can only be implemented by a team. Another thing is that the team needs to be interested.
Then, although not immediately, you will get a good full result, achieved independently, and not by pumping photos from site to site.
Strange, why this directory is created not on the database molbiol.ru and on another, independent site?

I agree!

Let me clarify the situation.

Website Lepidoptera.ru it is a project of Mr. Asar, and not Entomology.ru
At one time, Asar asked me to use photos from the forum for their project. I don't mind, especially since there is a desire to organize all those wonderful photos that you post, but there is absolutely no way to do this. In addition, since the photos do not belong to me, I suggested contacting their authors, i.e. you. To do this, we used the moderator's ability to send mass messages (which other users can't do). And to give consent or not to give - your business.

I'll probably give up for now, too. I agree with the above.

although my photos of butterflies on the forum are 1 or 2, I have nothing against it, as well as about using my other photos.

I also agree. You can search through more of my stuff here http://www.faunarb.info

Agree

I agree

I completely agree with Okoy that a full site for a small region is better, but as Morozz correctly noted, the catalog is the work of the team. You don't need to interest me - I agree.

I agree.

Of course yes!

Guys, does anyone know if our images will be active again soon? Personally, all my photos disappeared ...

Guys, does anyone know if our images will be active again soon? Personally, all my photos have disappeared ...

Alexey, disappeared from where?..

Alexey, disappeared from where?..

yes, from everywhere on molbiol. See, for example, here: http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=265351&st=0

See, all images are now inactive!? And so with all the images uploaded directly to the forum. Only links to flickr, photobucket, etc. work ((

I don't mind.Very wonderful.If you need more photos of butterflies, you can take them from here:
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/mergus72/

yes, from everywhere on molbiol.

In general, the question is more to the admin, but if my memory serves me correctly, the forum has a timeout for uploaded images (possibly depending on the section).

Guys, does anyone know if our images will be active again soon? Personally, all my photos have disappeared ...

http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=106248&st=100#

  http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=106248&st=100#

Yeah, we're waiting, sir...

Here's how Redactor's response was sent to all those interested and concerned about missing files:

I don't understand why the problem with uploading images from back-up is delayed! We invested both time and soul in these images, and for almost a month now, nothing has been restored. The people are completely demotivated!

Does anyone keep in touch with the Editor? What's the catch?

I also agree

I don't understand why the problem with uploading images from back-up is delayed! We invested both time and soul in these images, and for almost a month now, nothing has been restored. The people are completely demotivated!

Does anyone keep in touch with the Editor? What's the catch?

The editor promised to let you know when the system will recover, so we're waiting.

I don't understand why the problem with uploading images from back-up is delayed! We invested both time and soul in these images, and for almost a month now, nothing has been restored. The people are completely demotivated!

Does anyone keep in touch with the Editor? What's the catch?

It took some time to prepare the site for a "specialist inspection". There were several banner display programs running on the site, and it was necessary to combine them all into one. A couple of old sections hung on the content management system, which also had to be demolished without breaking the sections. As a result, the amount of data was reduced by about half.

Now you will need some more time to analyze the site by the administrator.

That is, there was no malicious intent or malicious delays. Pause - a consequence of the fact that the server has been running without an administrator for a long time and problems have accumulated.

... please go to section for photos of butterflies whose type is not defined on Lepidoptera.ru and express your opinion... or just in this Forum thread. .. your feedback will also be valuable. Thank you in advance to everyone who responded.

In unidentified Lymantria dispar, Pericallia matronula, Eurois occulta. This is not allowed for a site with THIS name. Asar, why all this?

why all this?

This is useful for people (including me) who visit this site. The site develops, even if often and quantitatively — so, over time, there are more such people.

This is not allowed for a site with THIS name

If you know a project that better matches this name, please reset the coordinates — I will be happy to talk to its authors.

In unidentified Lymantria dispar, Pericallia matronula, Eurois occulta.

If you find a few minutes and reset the data for photos that you can determine the type of view on, then this message will really be useful.

This is useful for people (including me) who visit this site. The site develops, even if often and quantitatively — so, over time, there are more such people.

If you know a project that better matches this name, please reset the coordinates — I will be happy to talk to its authors.

If you find a few minutes and reset the data for photos that you can determine the type of view on, then this message will really be useful.

The question I asked was rhetorical. You shouldn't have answered it. At the expense of finding a few minutes... Asar, do not hide behind words like "suddenly in the evening vzgrusnetsya" and "find a few minutes". After scrolling through your messages, you can read the following:"...Butmost important thing hereis not the methods of analysis and not the technical implementation on the site, butstupid content that people should want to drive in for some reason. But with this, judging at least by the local polls, a big, big strain... " taken from here http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?act=Sea...highlite=&st=50

Asar, your activity is not related to entomology. All you need is to "make people stupidly drive in content". I can't spare you a few minutes."

I apologize to everyone present for continuing the flame, but I will still allow myself to respond to dear barko (and everyone who reads our exchange with him) in this topic-due to the fact that there are accusatory notes in his last message. (barko, if you want to continue the discussion (suddenly), I suggest that you continue to do so in the topic dedicated to the site Lepidoptera.ru. Thank you.)
So, point by point.

The question I asked was rhetorical. You shouldn't have answered it.

Despite the rhetorical / meaningless nature of the question, I considered it necessary to answer it, because your message may affect the opinion of other Forum participants. So let him be influenced by my answer.

Asar, do not hide behind words like "suddenly in the evening vzgrusnetsya" and "find a few minutes".

My suggestion to help you identify photos from another site in this topic may not be very correct for some users. In this regard, I added " ... suddenly in the evening..."

After scrolling through your messages, you can read the following...taken from here...

The "not working" link. It's easier to go to this topic and find the message you specified (I quote):

Sergey, the idea is correct. But the most important thing here is not the methods of analysis and not the technical implementation on the site, but the stupid content that people should want to drive in for some reason. But with this, judging at least by the local polls, a big, big strain...

Obviously, the meaning of my phrase is not that I need to force people to stupidly drive in content, but that "stupidly content", which cannot exist without people driving it in, is much more important than technical lotions (the word "stupidly" contrasts the content of the technical part).
Based on which we can conclude that here:

All you need is to "make people stupidly drive in content".

You are wrong to incorrectly interpret my phrase so that "stupid" indicates that people are driving content in, and not contrasting the technical side with the content.

I can't spare you a few minutes."

If you suddenly find time to continue holivar — once again I ask you to do it in the topic Lepidoptera.ru, and not in the Definition of butterflies, because here it is offtopic.

2Asar
I suggest we stop here.

I'll squeeze into the conversation.

to Asar: Browse through the relevant literature,
go to the relevant site(s),
climb the forum, follow the images, and the topic "definitions". Learn more about it.
Study the butterflies of at least the Moscow region.
It will be useful.

Working with literature is a power.

Morozzz, in the sense that it is useful so that the functions of technical and lepidopterological administration can be assigned to the same person — that is, to me, and then the content on the site will be qualitatively different or something else?

I agree.

Morozzz, in the sense that it is useful so that the functions of technical and lepidopterological administration can be assigned to the same person — that is, to me, and then the content on the site will be qualitatively different or something else?

in the sense that it will be useful to understand more or less what you are doing.

Pavel, without any jokes, the question is-what level do you consider "more or less"? Since I do not dance from scratch, then at least some criteria are interesting. This is for Flame.

And for business — you can be a techadmin, bioadmin, or both at once. I'm still the tech_admin. No bioadmin (take six). In general, it would be nice for me, of course, to reach the level of this very bioadmin, since there is no other and is not expected. If there is at least some time — I will definitely take the issue of self-education in this area more seriously. In the meantime, we need to finish the normal selection mechanism on the site...

Also no teasing, and hopefully no hard feelings. Level "more or less" - no problems in identifying at least such species as Lymantria dispar, Pericallia matronula, Eurois occulta. Is it really not interesting to try to determine it yourself?

"In general, it would be nice for me, of course, to reach the level of this very bioadmin, since there is no other and is not expected. If there is at least some time — I will definitely take the issue of self-education in this area more seriously. In the meantime, we need to finish the normal selection mechanism on the site... "

So it's great! start small (the most interesting one in your opinion).

I briefly looked at the correspondence in the topic. Of course I am AGAINST any unlimited use on lepidoptera.ru your photos from "molbiol"! What kind of site, what will it be in terms of information competence, what kind of "Azar" is behind it?
The name itself Lepidoptera.ru hints at the serious intentions and competence of curators, many curators. In the meantime, it looks like a child's babble under a loud sign.
Further, if the lepidoptera is "RU", then the tropics are then-to hell with it! Off topic!
Even further, if you are interested in the participation of competent photographers, immediately keep the level: at a minimum, in addition to the name of the species, information about the locality, the author of the photoraphy should clearly appear, not to mention bio-ecological information about the species...