Concept of development of protected areas of the Russian Federation until 2020

Colleagues, with all due respect, let's pay attention to the title of the topic " Concept of development of protected areas of the Russian Federation until 2020 "and all, of course, interesting disputes on general political topics such as" capitalism vs socialism "and" West vs Russia vs USSR "will be transferred to"Conversation". Because, as it seems to me, the essence of the dispute has already deviated greatly from the topic of protected areas.

Dracus, the Conversation is not interseno, and even there everything is busy with those who have left, with their lamentations and whining about how bad it is in America

It is high time to open a local conversation, on the rights of democracy-vseranvo more than 50% of visitors to the entire molbiol forum are visitors to Entomology

You have a surprisingly shallow mindset. The point is not that I personally was late to distribute easily obtained grants, but in politics. You have to love your country. If you feel so bad in Russia , then why don't you move to the bright democratic abroad?

But he didn't say he was sick.

Dracus, no, I have a disgraced position here, open such topics
I generally mean a separate section for the conversation, or, if you say given the hints of a certain cowboy-imperialist - department!

And in this so to speak, the department is already asking for a lot of topics from here, probably half of all that is

But he didn't say he was sick.

This is now, and do you know how many such "discussions" have already been held here? I'm just too lazy, I would have found it written that it was bad, but then-adapted, rebuilt.

Now for a music break

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLlxk83IxtA

Dracus, no, I have a disgraced position here, open such topics
And in this so to speak, the department is already asking for a lot of topics from here, probably half of everything that is there

Well, you can see how much flood has already accumulated. An excellent reason not to flood further

Posladny bar-I agree that spam. I have ,my dear A. Y. ,I'm sorry ,I don't know in detail ,I have very personal accounts with your organization - from a certain number of steamboats and people close to me lying with a neat hole in the back of my head at the Butovo training ground,which is visible from my OKR,to the fucked-up expanses of MY country,and the equally fucked-up brains of compatriots.I don't want your guys getting in my pants and messing around with my dates.Moreover, we obviously live in different countries(like those guys who fly around on dishes here)
For this I am silent.
Ps.If A. K. is in the sixties, then Demyan Bedny is a poet of the Silver Age.
It was not necessary to skip school, even on the Komsomol line.

Mother dear, how everything is running around here!
If there are violent political fights on such a harmless forum, then people are not lying - the split in society is threatening.

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The sweetest touch...
... what is visible from my okra ...
...MY country...
... to my neighbors.
It was not necessary to skip school, even on the Komsomol line.

I don't insist, but you need to meet your obligations. And there is nothing wrong with editing the post.

Very embarrassing-I can't type-I miss

  
The figures given at the meeting on the territory of protected areas in Russia are surprising: Currently, there are 102 federal nature reserves in Russia. In 2010, the Utrish Nature Reserve was established in the Krasnodar Territory. In total, there are about 12 thousand different nature protection zones in Russia: federal and regional. They cover more than 200 million hectares, which is more than 11% of the territory of the Russian Federation.
The Minister of Natural Resources and Ecology of the Russian Federation, Yuri Trutnev, noted that the Ministry's program for the development of specially protected natural areas until 2010 provides for their increase to 3.2% of the country's area, which corresponds to world practice.
I wonder which of them is right???

The area of the territory of Russia is 17,098,246 square kilometers (according to Wikipedia http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%BE%...%81%D0%B8%D1%8F and other sources). The area of all protected areas in Russia is 580,000 square kilometers. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D1%81%...%81%D0%B8%D0%B8 and other sites. Divide the second digit by the first and multiply by 100. We get 3.4%. More precisely, Trutnev. But they're both lying. Or the Internet.

This post was edited by Wild Yuri - 12/15/2012 12: 52

But he didn't say he was sick.

But Lavr did not say that he said it.

I, my dear A. Y., I'm sorry, I don't know in detail, I have a very personal score to settle with your organization...

Well, I think that all or almost all of the comrades guessed that they were not moving their laurels in this conversation. But you need to be able to reason impartially in any science, not only for those who have lost someone from all sides of the barricades at once, or no one died at all. Everyone feels sorry for people; it is also a pity when a steam boiler explodes (as the classic said) and passengers are blown up, but the laws of mechanics and railway transport as such do not need to be canceled after that. Generalize in any science should also be based on an essential feature (proving its crucial importance in the event of interest). After all, in" our organization " were Yeltsin, Shevardnadze and the like dobretso, I was just not in it, such a person would not have been taken there. I, on the other hand, from the fact that my relatives have been killed by homo sapiens more than once in history, do not now conclude, according to the logic of that friend of yours, that all homo sapiens are bitches, if they have killed a lot more in total over the millennia than communists alone. You need to look at it scientifically. Of course, not all Sapiens killed, and not all commies did. Or I have a relative who once died in a car accident, so what now, smear mud on every oncoming car? or go smash all the bottles in the grocery store, remembering all those who have died over the centuries from drunkenness - sometimes from someone else's?
By the way, expanded my name is Andrey.

I shouldn't have skipped school, not even on the Komsomol line.

Did I force you to? On the contrary, I think that I should have attended history and social studies first, so that I could then check historical epochs and economic laws not by personal accounts, but scientifically, without bias. Otherwise, tomorrow we will doubt the multiplication table if we were cheated on the market today. If you are talking about me, the paradox is that literature and the Russian language are subjects that I have never skipped. Yes, it is clear that diligent students also make mistakes (see below). Another thing is that sometimes mistakes will be piled up here, on much more important things for the issue under discussion, and they will not admit anything to the zhis...

Ps.If A. K. is in the sixties, then Demyan Bedny is a poet of the Silver Age.

Yes, this is the second good comment in my address, nothing, I will be formed until the end of my days. I just forgot about the special meaning of the term, and your counterexample with Demyan Bedny is not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. Thank you, Alexey, this is a style that is truly disarming, so do not be angry with me if there is something there. By the way, what I think is just a typo, I do not take tragically, and when quoting sometimes silently correct.

Colleagues, with all due respect, let's pay attention to the title of the topic " Concept of development of protected areas of the Russian Federation until 2020 "and all, of course, interesting disputes on general political topics such as" capitalism vs socialism "and" West vs Russia vs USSR "will be transferred to"Conversation". Because, as it seems to me, the essence of the dispute has already deviated greatly from the topic of protected areas.

Yes, it's time to quit. I wish I'd just jumped out and made a bad noise and run away, but I had something to say, so I hit the wall. The topic of protected areas itself leads us back to where we have wandered; I hope the authorities will understand this. After all, now just post a photo of the new director of PTZ, and then try to keep people from making system judgments. I remember where the theater forums wandered (now they are tired) when a photo of his twin, the new director of the Bolshoi Theater, appeared there...

Then they remembered something about Nabokov, not by nightfall. I came across other photos of him "on the hunt"somewhere. In my place, Investigator Khvat would probably say: you're a poseur, not an academic... In one photo, Nabokov makes his way along the fence with a net in his hand, intently peering at a butterfly. On the other - walking with a net in his hands along the alley with his wife (probably), staring around with a very entomological look. Etc. And in all the pictures that I came across-not a hint of stains, boxes, bags, etc. But neither a hospital nor a backpack can be seen far around. Or he caught the material not even in bags, and directly into the crumple under the cap stuffed? And I was not too lazy to play out so many performances, what kind of people did I expect? "a grown man, I think. Compared to his cheap stuff, the old photo of Le Moult (a gray-bearded patriarch sitting in a chair in the middle of a meadow feeling a bag of nets) is a hymn to hunting excitement and entomological passion. Who cares – I post all the non-text from the book I recently bought at the international book fair for 300 rubles (it was already mentioned here):

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If there are violent political fights on such a harmless forum, then people are not lying - the split in society is threatening.

I wish I could drink honey with your lips...

But Lavr did not say that he said it.

I quote again: "If you feel so bad in Russia , then why don't you move to the bright democratic abroad?" Lavr writes in the affirmative: if you feel bad. But Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg did not write that it was bad for him in Russia. In such cases, the assumption is used: you may feel bad. According to the rules of good taste.

I wish I could drink honey with your lips...

And even so, reverence.
Just a little more concise, tedious ...

But Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg did not write that it was bad for him in Russia.

Thank you. I shouldn't have gotten involved in a pointless argument, of course. But while I'm at it:

1. From a material point of view, I am still, thank God, well. There is an opportunity to live and work. It's worth a lot.

2. From a moral point of view, I feel bad, because I observe the steady destruction (consciously or "out of stupidity" - in this case, it doesn't matter) of everything that is dear to me in Russia - science, education, and the same protected areas. I'm a pessimist and I don't hide it. Still, I'm here.

It is useless to argue with conspiracy theorists, because this is faith. As you know, the existence of a Jewish-Masonic conspiracy proves the six-pointed nature of snowflakes-try to object? IMHO, the theme needs to be cleaned up.

But he didn't say he was sick.

No, he said that it was both bad and" scary", like a catastrophe is coming, hard workers in St. Petersburg are going to rob stores, even last year. Don't I remember?

The area of the territory of Russia is 17,098,246 square kilometers (according to Wikipedia http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%BE%...%81%D0%B8%D1%8F and other sources). The area of all protected areas in Russia is 580,000 square kilometers. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D1%81%...%81%D0%B8%D0%B8 and other sites. Divide the second digit by the first and multiply by 100. We get 3.4%. More precisely, Trutnev. But they're both lying. Or the Internet.

Yuri! The fact is that protected areas are "considered" differently. Formally, a protected area is a certain nomenclature in the system of the Ministry of Natural Resources (from a nature reserve to a natural monument). But when inventarizing protected areas on the ground or in other departments, they add many other things to it6 1) hunting customers-this is a huge stretch to call protected areas; 2) museums-reserves in the Ministry of Culture system (they are sometimes protected as well as nature reserves, but ... these are not the Ministry of Natural Resources); 3) resort areas and other natural monuments of local significance that are "protected" by land users, but are not registered as protected areas according to the requirements of the Ministry of Natural Resources 4 4) possibly also objects like the famous Zavidovo. And God knows what else, including allotments in forestry enterprises that they allocate temporarily or temporarily. As a result, the statistics are very confusing. Smaller figures are estimates of the Ministry of Natural Resources only of what is issued according to their system. Large-this is taking into account hunting customers, they can be huge, but they are of no use.

Then they remembered something about Nabokov, not by nightfall. I came across other photos of him "on the hunt"somewhere.

- Nabokov's personality is complex and multifaceted, I would even partially put it this way - an odious person... A kind of refined barchuk who escaped from ruin and ruin... All these statements of his against the Soviets... God be with them... I can't forgive him for his statements about Aksakov's grandfather S. T., or rather his venomous grin about the essay "Collecting Butterflies", which Aksakov wrote for a charity collection for the benefit of students of Kazan University, the writer told about how he loved "natural history" from childhood, as well as about his first childish attempts to describe his favorite animals, birds and fish....
I don't remember exactly what Nabokov said about this work and Aksakov's contribution to the literature about Russian nature (an indisputable and important contribution!). "If he wrote about ducks as much as he wrote about butterflies, then they are worthless..."
Interestingly, Y. P. K. wrote about this.
http://www.jugan.narod.ru/nabokov.htm

Nabokov was undoubtedly a good lepidopteridog, but like us, he was torn between science and literature as a means of subsistence... although sometimes it was the other way around...

http://www.nabokovmuseum.org/butterfly.html

This post was edited by Penzyak - 12/15/2012 15: 28

Lavr writes in the affirmative: if you feel bad.

As you can see, Lavr does not write in the affirmative, but subjunctively. And not "if you write that you feel bad", but "if you feel bad".

But Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg did not write that it was bad for him in Russia.

And someone wrote that he wrote it? I personally understood this only as a possible conclusion from what he wrote. But even so, the answer, I repeat, was formulated conditionally ("If you feel bad"), so that's also why you can't dig into it.

PS I see from the message of the Monastery that he also had earlier grounds for such an interpretation.

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 12/15/2012 21: 48

But another important detail of the current real Western democracy is the separation of financial bigwigs and power structures.

Three times "ha". Representatives of one of the two parties succeed each other as leaders of Western democracies? Where did you come up with the concept of "lobbying"?
Politics is always and everywhere ruled - both in ancient Novgorod and in Western countries-by a group of authoritative persons through their representatives. "The king's retinue plays." The exception is the country of elves in the minds of liberal-gifted citizens.

This post was edited by Bad Den - 12/15/2012 22: 22

It is useless to argue with conspiracy theorists, because this is faith.

What is "this"? The first half of your sentence, or what? Truly so. One can only believe that the hypocritical "girl" cited by T. zygaena as an example is a realist, and the one who believes that capitalism is fighting for sources of raw materials and sales markets is a conspiracy theorist. After all, they believe in exactly what you can't understand with your head, and you can't measure with a common yard. There is no need to believe in economic interest as the basis of politics, you just need to look at things soberly. But in the absence of such an interest, you can only believe. And then to invent J.-M. conspiracies, etc., and then, without blushing, to re-paste the stigma of conspiracy on others.

As you know, the existence of a Jewish-Masonic conspiracy proves the six-pointed nature of snowflakes-try to object?

But how can you object if, with such a case ambiguity, you can't even understand what is being proved by what-the first second or the second first... But what kind of connections you liken economic and political patterns to, and, accordingly, what are your analytical capabilities in the relevant field, you can understand.

IMHO, the theme needs to be cleaned up.

I will believe that behind this opinion is a woken concern for the purity of the topic, and not a censorship broom as the last hope of democratic argumentation.

IMHO, the theme needs to be cleaned up.

I meant exactly what I wrote.

Concerning the philosophical investigations of T. (Mr.?) Elez remembered: "it's hard to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if it's not there."

That's what I figured out. But I will explain this in a favorable way with the help of faith.

Return the nonexistent cat to the conspiracy theorists. And all future shortcuts go to the same place. The materialists will manage somehow.

I'm in complete trouble here because of this controversy: I found one among the recent posts on this topic that I really liked, I wanted to thank you, but for some reason this option doesn't work for that message... Lived to see it. Does anyone know what the reason is?

Even if I have personally forgotten how much seven is seven, this does not refute the basic principles of mathematics.

If a certain citizen has forgotten how much seven is seven, this does not in any way refute the basic provisions of mathematics. But if a certain citizen categorically claims that seven seven will be 128, then I will not listen to his mathematical reasoning and I will not trust him to teach children.
I didn't mean to offend you, and I probably didn't answer you. and a certain generalized network conspiracy theorist. Irritating is the wild illiteracy of these conspiracy theorists, plus the explanation of any events with the help of conspiracy theory. Even the illiteracy of most conspiracy theorists is attributed to a conspiracy aimed at discrediting conspiracy theory by global conspirators.

Mother dear, how everything is running around here!
If there are violent political fights on such a harmless forum, then people are not lying - the split in society is threatening.

What is the split in society-you can see in the comments to this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aK9KjMu7jI

No, he said that it was both bad and" scary", like a catastrophe is coming, hard workers in St. Petersburg are going to rob stores, even last year. Don't I remember?

So I should have quoted that message from him. I didn't know what he'd said before. You should always write specifically. Then there will be no misunderstandings.

This post was edited by Wild Yuri - 12/16/2012 17: 48

As you can see, Lavr does not write in the affirmative, but subjunctively.

In fact, he wrote: if you feel so bad. This is no longer a subjunctive. In this case, it is an indicative adverb-to the previously reported information. He did not quote it in the message, and I wrote only about the available text. It turns out that his opponent once said ... see my previous post. It is necessary to quote if you "catch" someone in something and criticize them. Then there will be no misunderstandings.

So I should have quoted that message from him. I didn't know what he'd said before. You should always write specifically. Then there will be no misunderstandings.

What are you worried about? He'll get over it, he knows what it's all about. To listen to him, you might think that I only
work for grants and keep my nose in the wind
of any grant-giver, even if it
is a branch of the US intelligence community. But
I work for the idea - this is in the Russian Academy of Sciences, some of them are ready for grants and ratings for everything.

What are you worried about?

I'm worried about the truth.

What is the split in society-you can see in the comments to this video

Uti-puti, Hierophis, you have much more "fun".
Finish building the "second France", and we will deal with our problems ourselves, without Ukrainian assistants.

Irritating is the wild illiteracy of these conspiracy theorists, plus the explanation of any events with the help of conspiracy theory.

Alexey, in that case, I'm already confused about who is talking about whom. Personally, he has already disowned conspiracy theory in favor of realism two hundred times for himself. No one here has tried to prove that the recognition of economic interest and competition is not realism, but conspiracy. And to whom now to attach this persistent label, which is all like water from a goose, I don't know. Apparently, the "conspiracy theory" is really a meaningless bogeyman for any cause - and-effect explanations, which are difficult to object to, but very desirable. And then this bugger was not me, but from a completely different side...

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 12/17/2012 07: 46

If a certain citizen has forgotten how much seven is seven, this does not in any way refute the basic provisions of mathematics. But if a certain citizen categorically claims that seven seven will be 128, then I will not listen to his mathematical reasoning and I will not trust him to teach children.

And correctly. All the more so if, years before the blunder of this ignorant citizen, no one prevented you from mastering the basic principles of mathematics, which were discussed, and not just the special case seven seven, which you may remember better than Academician Kolmogorov. And to argue precisely with the provisions, and not with the one who only sets them out, empirically confirming already to the extent of his modest sclerosis. Maybe even Citizen oblivious wouldn't have to come out with a lecture about you and your children . And I did not pull up the empyria to the position at all, but really confused the dates. The concept, as you know, is not based on such details. Yes, and it has been known to science for a long time. And they accused it only of absolutizing the economic basis and underestimating the superstructure, i.e., roughly speaking, of refusing to explain history through ingenious plans, palace coups and conspiracies, and to see it as a "conspiracy theory" is more absurd than to confuse all possible dates...
By the way-about teachers. The classical scholar, who understood the advantages of theoretical reasoning over empirical particulars, wrote that " If metaphysics is right in relation to the Greeks in detail, then in general the Greeks are right in relation to metaphysics." And another classicist dared to write: "The Greeks will always remain our teachers..."
In general, thank you. I'm ready to drink all that oil myself...

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 12/17/2012 05: 19

And don't worry, personally, I have long announced a boycott of "flowers", I consider it a mechanization of the process, which kills emotional impulses!
Moreover, I sometimes use the word "flower" in messages that are clearly "flying", such as the message about "crawling and flying 300 bucks"

Thank you, but I already found out why the thank you button didn't work for me. It turns out that I just didn't notice that the message I liked was my own...

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In general, thank you. I'm ready to drink all that oil myself...

I didn't mean it out of spite.
No hard feelings?

Come on, what are the grievances. However, unless on the one who, after the congress appeal to "you" for some reason, begins to shout out to old comrades on the forum

AUTUMN OF THE PATRIARCH

When the great Karl Linnaeus
Long ago moved out of the fields
To where it is drier and warmer,
When Nabokov and Avinov
Went to the forum or chat,
Then there are no girls in the photo
(They are already scribbling lectures),
thorns only stick out in the fields:
That's who Polumordvinov is with now...