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23.09.2008 21:00, okoem

And the caterpillar got into the ground! I sat all night, and today I dug it out, I thought the chrysalis, but it turned out that it hadn't pupated yet.

Well, it won't pupate overnight! I should have waited a week.
And if the caterpillar is unearthed, then it may not be buried for the second time and die. It seems that her program "dug in - made a cocoon - pupated" is getting lost. This is true at least for shovels, I have so a few pieces, accidentally excavated earlier than necessary, died.

30.09.2008 10:34, vit26

Gentlemen and ladies!
We URGENTLY need reliable (i.e. paid) help!
It is necessary to either
(a) regularly supply butterfly pupae, or
(b)raise and regularly supply live butterflies.

I am located in Moscow.
The range is welcome!

Victor
ICQ: 803681

30.09.2008 14:25, guest: Бабочник

Hello Victor.
Are you interested in tropical species or the Palearctic? It is much more realistic to supply pupae.

29.10.2008 15:31, roxol

Hello! I accidentally went to your forum and ask for advice. The day before yesterday I found a thick green caterpillar in a purchased houseplant. I put it in a plastic container, put it on different leaves. What should I do next to make her feel better? Leave it at home or on the street? What kind of care? Maybe she was warm all this time, and now in the cold?

Thank you so much for your help.

29.10.2008 15:46, omar

Can you take a picture of this caterpillar?

29.10.2008 15:51, roxol

Sorry for the vagueness...

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29.10.2008 17:50, omar

I can say that this is a scoop. Apparently, she's already doing quite well, as she was suited to a kind of leafy salad. Or do I think she's eating it? Was the caterpillar in the ground or on the houseplant itself?

29.10.2008 21:06, roxol

Yes, she had eaten it, and so had the other leaves from the street. But sometimes it freezes for a long time and doesn't move. At the very beginning, a lot of nakakala. Then, when I went to her dark room, I was actively eating. Now it is constantly motionless, but periodically I find it in different places, sometimes under the leaves. Kind of afraid of the light.

I was on a plant. ))))))Thank you for helping

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21.12.2008 22:33, annett

Do you know whether scoops (for example, alder sagittarius) can pupate in a tree, i.e. in the wood itself? If so, is this a common occurrence?

21.12.2008 22:44, okoem

Please explain what "pupated in wood" means. Did she chew out the cavity or was there a cavity?

25.12.2008 12:34, annett

She gnawed out a fairly large hole in a fairly short time (about 1-2 hours, climbed there, and fastened the hole with sawdust, i.e., as if "barricaded". What this means is unclear...

01.02.2009 1:15, I.roK.ez

greetings to all those gathered, tell me pliz, who had to deal with hawkmoth:the first time I got my hands on a lilac one,or rather a caterpillar, now a pupa, so:do I need diapause,what temperature,how long, and how long after warming up to wait for the imago?thank you so much for your attention

This post was edited by I. roK. ez-02/01/2009 01: 30

01.02.2009 8:53, Бабочник

a couple of months of diapause... however, this species did not diapause. Perhaps a shorter period of cold weather is enough for him.
see the next thread about Parnassus, there is a short methodology.
Only hawk moth should still have a layer of substrate (wet earth or sawdust) for pupation.

01.02.2009 10:35, I.roK.ez

Thank you for your feedback.I myself did not expect that it would go into diapause,it became clear after it lay unchanged for 2 months, maybe because we switched from privet to lilac at the fifth age...? confused.gif

01.02.2009 15:02, Бабочник

no, the translation from privet to lilac has nothing to do with it... photoperiod and temperature trigger the diapause....

01.02.2009 22:56, I.roK.ez

well nasichot photoperiod I would argue, the pupa is underground and the light is on the drum, the temperature in the apartment is not at all wintering for 20 stable.Rather, the trick here is that the larva is late-it pupated on August 20-it didn't have time for the second generation,but the nutrition still affects:the branches of the tree are no longer young, and the lilac is an oil-bearing plant-and fats are metabolized into glycerol, and its concentration in the hemolymph initiates diapause. http://www.seminarium.narod.ru/moip/moip.html - L. N. Solntsev
BREEDING OF BUTTERFLIES (LEPIDOPTERA) WITHOUT DIAPAUSE - an article just on this topic:interesting-I recommend it.

02.02.2009 10:45, Бабочник

Well, in general, the photoperiod affects the caterpillars and not the pupae. Food also affects of course, but the spring privet does not remain after all, also by autumn - that... So...
I've known the article for a long time.

02.02.2009 17:03, I.roK.ez

that's just it, it's not ostaezzo.I don't know how uvas is there, but we have almost all hawkmoth here except for smerintid 2 generations give.see at my fate such in the spring to be inspired smile.gifor at my rather.

02.02.2009 21:26, Бабочник

we have the same bullshit here. And the lilac is not ostaezzo....so it's on the drum...

05.02.2009 23:54, I.roK.ez

but it's all lyrics,and the thing does strange things. What should I do next?at room temperature, it does not diapause, but it does not develop either.at +5 +10, it's the same.at 0 and in the cold, it stalls.after defrosting, it lies in one pore for weeks-it turns its belly.although according to lit. data (bugoga), the Lord gave her 2-3 weeks for everything about everything.don't wake me up until spring?

10.02.2009 2:00, Мих

Let him sleep) Maybe it's not only the temperature that affects it, but also the light day?

10.02.2009 23:22, I.roK.ez

let her sleep, so long as she wakes up later.and how does the pupa catch the light when her eyes and nervous system are in the stage of metamorphosis and ischo and in the subway? confused.gif

17.02.2009 21:31, Guest

"Damn it! - and what, - in nature, butterflies are hatched directly from the caterpillars, bypassing the non-feeding phase of development, during which the larval organs and tissues are rebuilt into mature ones? (read the topic name) confused.gif

17.02.2009 21:36, AntSkr

"Damn it! - and what, - in nature, butterflies are hatched directly from the caterpillars, bypassing the non-feeding phase of development, during which the larval organs and tissues are rebuilt into mature ones? (I read the title of the topic) confused.gif

So why do labels say ex larva or even worse ex ovo? Is that what you mean?"

17.02.2009 21:45, Guest

But why do the labels say ex larva ?

- Actually, " larva "(Larva, Larvochka) in our village is called a frog, or a woman....; - and " ex "- probably"from"... - It turns out in smart books they write that butterflies are not only from eggs (which ones), but also from amphibians? eek.gif

17.02.2009 22:10, AntSkr

Yes, it is better not to argue with such smart people..

17.02.2009 22:23, RippeR

Guest:
pupal stage required smile.gifthe butterfly does not hatch from the caterpillar :P

19.02.2009 21:15, t00m

4 I. roK. ez: and how does the pupa catch light when her eyes and nervous system are in the stage of metamorphosis and ischo and in the subway?

the pupa doesn't care. this caterpillar reacts to the length of daylight, and then "thinks" to go into diapause at the pupal stage or not.=)

20.02.2009 13:31, I.roK.ez

that is if you play with the length of daylight on a caterpillar of the fifth age then you can take the diapause and cancel it?taking into account biochemistry of course.
and what if the pupae are wet overwintering-condensation covered on wintering(neupravil humiditywall.gif-I repent)and at night it's freezing. all-kirdyk?

20.02.2009 15:56, Бабочник

well, it depends on what kind... both with a diapause and with condensation...

20.02.2009 18:13, t00m

well, yes, and what kind of pupae are we talking about? you can experiment with the length of daylight hours (not only light, but also temperature affects some people) and you can use the ready-made results described in" Friedrich " I haven't read everything, but for sailboats the exact sorting is given.

20.02.2009 18:23, I.roK.ez

we are talking about hawkmoth and crested birds, nothing exotic is all ours: celerio, sphinx, pergessa,phalera. and about Friedrich, you can be more specific about the title-what kind of book?interesting.I don't know her.

20.02.2009 20:55, t00m

BREEDING BUTTERFLIES AND MOTHS practical Handbook for British and European Species

Ekkehard Friedrich

Unfortunately, I'm currently translating it into Russian. would you like to provide any possible assistance?) - if you need a book in electronic form or translated parts - write to t00m@pnz.ru.
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20.02.2009 21:14, t00m

with hawkmoth and crested birds, I think everything should be fine, if, of course, they are covered with condensation, and not a layer of water in 5 cm))))frosts are certainly not desirable...

21.02.2009 0:01, I.roK.ez

Unfortunately, I'm currently translating it into Russian. would you like to provide any possible assistance?) - if you need a book in electronic form or translated parts - write to t00m@pnz.ru.
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Well, I know more or less English,so I would be happy to provide an assistantsmile.gifand we will definitely contact you.have you not tried perevrd ready to search?

This post was edited by I. roK. ez-02/21/2009 00: 02

21.02.2009 0:47, I.roK.ez

and the pupae are alive, slav te lord jump.gifjo...mi twirl.

25.03.2009 17:35, Мих

2 Mih
This is an unpaired silkworm. Malicious mass pest. His geese will eat almost anything.

And what exactly to give tell me? just got out)

25.03.2009 18:50, Liparus

and the pupae are alive, slav te lord jump.gifjo...They turn me around.



And how to get the grandmother out of cocoons that already shivelyat ass..mi?

25.03.2009 19:41, okoem

And what exactly to give tell me? just got out)
Everything that comes to hand-oak, elm, fruit trees, various weeds...

And how to get the grandmother out of the cocoons that are already shivelyat ass..mi?
Put the wand down and wait.
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