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20.07.2010 18:45, Kharkovbut

I do not know, but in M. O. I only come across sinapis (personal observations).
Cooked it?
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20.07.2010 18:58, Svyatoslav Knyazev

Informative. smile.gif

Why sinapis and not reali? IMHO, you can't tell from the photo here. And if you suddenly invent some sign-prick. smile.gif

Here is a photo of leptidia from the article on butterflies of the Novosibirsk region in EURREJ.
leptidea.jpg
Although there are butterflies of the spring generation, but the shape of the wings of the summer generation of reali differs from synapis in the same way.
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20.07.2010 19:12, Kharkovbut

Here is a photo of leptidia from the article on butterflies of the Novosibirsk region in EURREJ.although you are a butterfly of the spring generation, but the shape of the wings of the summer generation of reali differs from synapis in the same way.

Эту работу (V.V. Ivonin*, O.E. Kosterin**, S.L. Nikolaev***. Butterflies (Lepidoptera, Diurna) of Novosibirsk Province, Russia. 1. Hesperiidae, Papilionidae, Pieridae) I know. I quote from there:

"The differences in the shape of the front wing in the
males of the summer generation are not as noticeable as in the spring
generation, which does not allow us to reliably distinguish two
variants and make calculations, as was done
above for the spring generation."

In addition, it seems to me that the photo shows a female. smile.gif

I will also add that even for the spring generation, the shape of the front wing as a sign does not work very well, at least in the conditions of the Kharkiv region. If you are interested, I can post photos: butterfly + her genitals. smile.gif

Summary: IMHO, you can't really determine anything from the imago photo.
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21.07.2010 3:47, vasiliy-feoktistov

Cooked it?

No, I didn't cook it (I don't do it). Just offhand.

21.07.2010 5:44, Svyatoslav Knyazev


Summary: IMHO, you can't really determine anything from the imago photo.

Undoubtedly, on the genitals - the most reliable option! The photo is more complicated, but I would still consider it a synapsis. If Pavel collected this copy , it would be interesting to cook it and check it out!

21.07.2010 5:45, Svyatoslav Knyazev

No, I didn't cook it (I don't do it). Just offhand.

Vasily, offhand in this group you can make a mistake smile.gif
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21.07.2010 20:32, okoem

No, I didn't cook it (I don't do it). So, offhand..... but in M. O. I only come across sinapis (personal observations).
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21.07.2010 22:40, Vlad Proklov

Death to two scrawny hares!!!

Defining the indefinite is your task!

This wasp wasn't included in the report, but it asked me to identify it:

user posted image

Report here:
http://kotbegemot.livejournal.com/535595.html
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21.07.2010 23:47, Vlad Proklov

And in Zhukovsky again come to light Hypenodes humidalis-in the load to Dorogalyam and Poplar, where I caught this species this year =)
Upd. I've already caught 12 of them! Plus came for the first time to light in Zhukovsky fanoptera =)

This post was edited by kotbegemot - 07/22/2010 01: 33

21.07.2010 23:59, Kharkovbut

Defining the indefinite is your task!
Lyutka - Lestes virens, female.
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22.07.2010 7:28, Юстус

This wasp wasn't included in the report, but it asked me to identify it

Polistes nimpha
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22.07.2010 14:15, vasiliy-feoktistov

  confused.gif

Vladimir, later (as soon as I'm done, there's a lot to do right now) I'll put up both my own copies. in the definition from different points of the M. O. Do you mind?

22.07.2010 18:51, Svyatoslav Knyazev

Эту работу (V.V. Ivonin*, O.E. Kosterin**, S.L. Nikolaev***. Butterflies (Lepidoptera, Diurna) of Novosibirsk Province, Russia. 1. Hesperiidae, Papilionidae, Pieridae) I know. I quote from there:

"The differences in the shape of the front wing in the
males of the summer generation are not as noticeable as in the spring
generation, which does not allow us to reliably distinguish two
variants and make calculations, as was done
above for the spring generation."

I beg to differ. Just the day before yesterday, I caught our leptidium and all the signs of a relatively spring generation are quite applicable, in my opinion, to the summer one. Although I'll cook it in the fall and then I'll tell you for sure.

22.07.2010 20:09, Kharkovbut

I beg to differ. Just the day before yesterday, I caught our leptidium and all the signs of a relatively spring generation are quite applicable, in my opinion, to the summer one. Although I'll cook it in the fall and then I'll tell you for sure.
That's when it becomes clear. smile.gif

I just quoted the work and shared my personal experience. In my experience with the genitals, it turns out that the wing sign does not work. Maybe the situation in Siberia is different, but I can't rule it out.

25.07.2010 13:09, Алексей Сажнев

In order not to "dry" the topic with lists, I will share the fees processed this year:
(all the material is on my website)

11-14. IV. 2010-Moscow, Moscow region, Krasnoarmeysky district, Krasnoarmeysk

http://assazhnev.narod.ru/moscow.html

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24-25. IV. 2010-Saratov region, Saratovsky district, O. P. Burkin, "Burkinsky forest"

http://assazhnev.narod.ru/burkin1.html

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20. VI. 2010-Saratov region, Saratovsky district, okr. O. P. Burkin, "Burkinsky forest"

http://assazhnev.narod.ru/burkin.html

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26-27. VI. 2010-Saratov, Lysogorsky massif, Kumysnaya polyana; Saratov region, Saratovsky district, Burkin Island, "Burkinsky forest"

http://assazhnev.narod.ru/sar_burkin.html

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10-11. VII. 2010-Saratov region, Engelsky district, Shumeyka village district

http://assazhnev.narod.ru/shumeyka.html
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25.07.2010 15:54, Vlad Proklov

Yesterday's Alpatievo:

http://kotbegemot.livejournal.com/535827.html

Klopika opredelitye, pliz!
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25.07.2010 18:06, vasiliy-feoktistov

Yesterday's Alpatievo:

http://kotbegemot.livejournal.com/535827.html

Klopika opredelitye, pliz!

Good places, I was there once in early August. Between Alpatievo and Fruktovaya, the oak grove was full of order ribbons to go down to the Oka. I was even amazed!

25.07.2010 18:09, Vlad Proklov

Good places, I was there once in early August. Between Alpatievo and Fruktovaya, the oak grove was full of order ribbons to go down to the Oka. I was even amazed!

Now all the forests there are full of Catocala promissa (caught on Chernaya and in Alpatievo). Slightly smaller -- C. fraxini.
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26.07.2010 14:55, Vlad Proklov

I took another portion off the straighteners:

http://kotbegemot.livejournal.com/536202.html
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26.07.2010 15:16, Alexandr Zhakov

We don't have a maritima! We have an adaukt.
Heck! This is probably the third time I've had to say it!
People, subscribe to the topics already and follow!


kotbegemot mad.gif smile.gif

Thank you, fair remark. But there are fewer emotions, and this mistake will be repeated frequently until new literature is published and websites are changed.

26.07.2010 15:25, Zhuk

23-25, Ruzsky district, Lenkovo, 2 nights of fishing in the light. Terrible heat, all the vegetation is almost dried up. There are very few butterflies, and those who are there are almost all beaten up. Among the interesting ones are the male Crocallis elinguaria, Epirrhoe hastulata, Moma alpium and Arctornis l-nigrum. During the day, fraxini and nupta catocals fly in the garden.

Drepanidae:
Falcaria lacertinaria

Geometridae:
Scopula immutata
Catarhoe cuculata
Epirrhoe hastulata
Camptogramma bilineatum
Spargania luctuata
Eulithis prunata
Dysstroma citrata
Eupithecia...
Crocallis elinguaria
Alcis bastelbergeri
Ematurga atomaria

Noctuidae:
Catocala fraxini
Moma alpium
Amphipyra pyramidea
Pyrrhia umbra
Actinotia polyodon
Amphipoea fucosa
Nonagria typhae
Capsula sparganii
Mesapamea secalella
Xanthia icteritia
Enargia paleacea
Ipimorpha retusa
Hadula trifolii
Noctua interposita
Agrotis segetum
Sideridis rivularis

Lymantriidae:
Arctornis l-nigrum
Orgyia antiqua

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26.07.2010 15:55, Alexandr Zhakov

in Eversmannia No. 3-4 for 2005 there was an article on our syntomis.


Yes syntomis are now Amata.
http://www.faunaeur.org/full_results.php?id=374444
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26.07.2010 15:58, aleko

Yes syntomis are now Amata.


Well, isn't it a leapfrog?! wink.gif
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26.07.2010 16:00, Zhuk

After 5 years, we learned that in the Ministry of Defense of nigricornis, the ppc...smile.gif

26.07.2010 16:15, Sungaya

Guys, has anyone been to Tugolesye these days?
What about the fires?

26.07.2010 16:20, vasiliy-feoktistov

Sash, I don't know how it is exactly, but in the Shatursky district it is burning (my house even now stinks), and it usually pulls from there. Here is the Ministry of Emergency Situations: http://www.mchs.gov.ru/
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26.07.2010 16:27, А.Й.Элез

  This thing doesn't exist in the MOD.

So what is the type of false chicken pox in the MO? And in general, how do you think we should treat the external feature indicated in the literature (the ratio of the size of spots on the upper side of the rear wing)?
And also, Vladislav, would you mind helping me sort out the copy I'm enclosing here? What kind is this?

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26.07.2010 16:41, Vlad Proklov

So what is the type of false chicken pox in the MO? And in general, how do you think we should treat the external feature indicated in the literature (the ratio of the size of spots on the upper side of the rear wing)?
And also, Vladislav, would you mind helping me sort out the copy I'm enclosing here? What kind is this?

In MO - only nigricornis. In the photo - it seems to be the same (the external spots on the z. krl. are smaller than the internal one). Where does it come from?
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26.07.2010 17:18, Alexandr Zhakov

They were separated in Volume 11 of Noctuidae Europaeae, maritima is a Baltic coastal species, not included in the BSSR. H. adaucta is a widespread Palearctic species.

Unfortunately there is no Noctuidae Europaea 11 at hand smile.gif.
But in http://www.faunaeur with references to NE 11, completely different ranges of these species are indicated, where is the inaccuracy?
http://www.faunaeur.org/full_results.php?id=373731
http://www.faunaeur.org/full_results.php?id=373728
And another question: if the wrong name was used repeatedly for a territory, then correcting the error is not the first time for the territory? In our example, Heliothis adaucta Butler 1878 (auct. maritima Graslin 1855)

26.07.2010 17:30, Vlad Proklov

Unfortunately there is no Noctuidae Europaea 11 at hand smile.gif.
But in http://www.faunaeur with references to NE 11, completely different ranges of these species are indicated, where is the inaccuracy?
http://www.faunaeur.org/full_results.php?id=373731
http://www.faunaeur.org/full_results.php?id=373728
And another question: if the wrong name was used repeatedly for a territory, then correcting the error is not the first time for the territory? On our example, Heliothis adaucta Butler 1878 (auct. maritima Graslin 1855)

Ha ha! They separated the types, but did not work out the distribution in the database (or rather, they did not remove the margin almost completely) smile.gif

Of course, it's not a first-time lead , but I don't think the maritima was ever brought in for MO, either. That's what I'm going to check out.
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26.07.2010 17:46, vasiliy-feoktistov

Guys, the discussion went I'm watching. And I have a question.
Who's that?" From M. O. ona.

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26.07.2010 18:01, Alexandr Zhakov

Guys, the discussion went I'm watching. And I have a question.
Who's that?" From M. O. ona.

This is viriplaca.
But the question by definition is better in the" Definition of butterflies " to ask, smile.gif
I'm just being clever.umnik.gif
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26.07.2010 18:03, vasiliy-feoktistov

This is viriplaca.
But the question by definition is better in the" Definition of butterflies " to ask, smile.gif
I'm just being clever.umnik.gif

Yes, I'm so "in line with the dispute". beer.gif
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26.07.2010 22:13, А.Й.Элез

In MO - only nigricornis. In the photo - it seems to be the same (the external spots on the z. krl. are smaller than the internal one). Where does it come from?
From the same place, from Serebryanoprudsky district, at the same time, only a point exactly one and a half kilometers south of that one.
About phegea and nigricornis, the relationship of which I have long considered clear for myself since reading the book of Efetov and Budashkin 20 years ago, today I consider the question not so clear for myself, although I hope to understand something here in time. Over the years, I have seen examples (albeit a few) of non-compliance with the ratio of the size of spots on the rear wing in collections from very different points in the European part of the USSR (although, of course, I do not have a sufficient sample for the Ministry of Defense) and have already managed, sinfully, to doubt the determining capabilities of these spots. About a year ago, I asked a local professional butterfly farmer about this and heard (believe it or not) that he himself does not consider the issue closed, at least in the Ministry of Defense. Despite the fact that in the CC of the Ministry of Defense, the species is now rewritten to nigricornis for the Ministry of Defense (therefore, the same species that, in particular, has been listed for the Crimea for 70 years, although during this time phegea continued to be calmly listed in the Ministry of Defense). In 1990 "Butterflies of the Crimea" give distribution for nigricornis-Asia Minor, Caucasus, Crimea (sic!) Now it turns out that in MO - nigricornis, and somewhere between Moscow and the Crimea (plus Asia Minor and the Caucasus) in the Voronezh region is wedged phegea (or both together?? and do both species live together anywhere??)? At the same time, the males I took in the Lukhovitsky district a few years ago (see photo) also have an external spot (although one, not two) smaller than the internal one. But we'll wait and see. KK also knows how to vary from edition to edition, including this butterfly...
But where would I find Obraztsov's article "Species differentiation in the phegea L. group and the genus Syntomis O. ..." for 1941? It is generally in Europe and could be useful to me.

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27.07.2010 7:15, aleko

 
But I don't think anyone ever brought Maritima for MO, either. That's what I'm going to check out.


It's kind of weird, Vlad. In Sviridov's list/Blinushova on the Ryazan region of Maritima sits under No. 110, however, as a rare species. The closest point to the MO is Bozhatkovo, which is the southern tip of Ryazan, and the Oka Nature Reserve. If there is in Ok. z, then it should be all over Meshchera, kuda OK to her dezza smile.gif) It is strange that in so many years of observation it was not caught somewhere under Shatura. And you just arrived in Alpatievo and immediately caught it. Maybe they just weren't differentiated with viriplaka before?

27.07.2010 10:48, Sergey Didenko

On the first night after Primorye, I turned on my lamp on the outskirts of Moscow (although after the last downpour) and did not see a single butterfly at all. And last night it flew as standard for this time of year-fraxinias, nuptias, scoops, tufts, pyadenits was perhaps less than usual, but I only relaxed up to 12 with beer. From beetles still fly prionuses (the first met on July 5), green barbels and a bunch of winged ants.
In general, everything is not as bad as it seemed in connection with the intense heat, but it is very difficult to force yourself to catch after DV...
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27.07.2010 12:53, mikee

On the first night after Primorye, I turned on my lamp on the outskirts of Moscow (although after the last downpour) and did not see a single butterfly at all. And last night it flew as standard for this time of year-fraxinias, nuptias, scoops, tufts, pyadenits was perhaps less than usual, but I only relaxed up to 12 with beer. From beetles still fly prionuses (the first met on July 5), green barbels and a bunch of winged ants.
In general, everything is not as bad as it seemed in connection with the intense heat, but it is very difficult to force yourself to catch after DV...

"standard for this time of year"? When did we have fraxini flights, starting in mid-July?

28.07.2010 19:34, Vlad Proklov

Today's Nerskaya Street:

http://kotbegemot.livejournal.com/536524.html
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28.07.2010 20:53, barko

Today's Nerskaya Street:

http://kotbegemot.livejournal.com/536524.html
In our country, C. myrmidone is a rare protected species. For the happiness in general to see it.

28.07.2010 20:56, Vlad Proklov

In our country, C. myrmidone is a rare protected species. For the happiness in general to see it.

In the Ministry of Defense, this is also a local species, listed in the CC (set aside laughtersmile.gif). But in Meshchera and on the Oka it is sometimes common, in some years massov - as on Nerskaya, which is why the pine forest nursery there received the name myrmidonopitomnik on our forum smile.gif
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