Wasp nests

Well, all on Niegorhisa ran over...  

Carcharoth, you reminded me of a large dominula nest that I saw last year, but also this year it was empty.

They have it personal They are for Krymnash ))

Well, hello gallikus, gallikus=dominant, absolutely the same wasps, only the strip is interrupted, and spots on the chest and in females are very characteristic, almost always.

That's who is who, and I don't seem to distinguish gallikuses from dominul, and I don't strive, this "species" hatched in the late 80s according to the well-known pohzhe scheme, and it's not a fact that they don't have hybridization)

Well, hello gallikus, gallikus=dominant, absolutely the same wasps, only the strip is interrupted, and spots on the chest and in females are very characteristic, almost always.

You don't seem to be reading anything at all.
P. gallicus (L.) = P. foederatus Kohl = P. chinensis auct. (in the "green determinant").
P. dominula (Christ) = P. gallicus auct. (in all literature up to 1985, and in the national literature up to later years).
At least in Pedivikia I looked at the worst. In short, it is clear that it is useless to talk to you, admire the wasps further and do what you like, to your health.

Well, I don't know, last year's nest with an abundance of live larvae, which could only get there with provisions, lay until the end of July, in excellent condition....)

By the way, about the nymphs - there is an article by Rusina where she researched nymphs in the CHBZ, it is difficult to imagine a more extreme south, and there they lived on grass, I think that Comrade Karharot knows this Toset, in the CHBZ nymphs can settle on Tarva, but not in Nikolaev? Or is it just because Rusina wrote so?


About "we'll figure it out", especially about "ourselves", I'd rather keep silent )))) We figured it out for you, at one time the Baltic States also gave 98% of the votes for joining the USSR yyyy

You don't seem to be reading anything at all.
P. gallicus (L.) = P. foederatus Kohl = P. chinensis auct. (in the "green determinant").
auct P. dominula (Christ) = P. gallicus (in all literature up to 1985, and in the Russian literature up to later years).
At least in Pedivikia I looked at the worst. In short, it is clear that it is useless to talk to you, admire the wasps further and do what you like, to your health.

???? And not the other way around? =0

with an abundance of live maggots that could only get there with provisions

Che smoke, share a secret? By the way, what would you know, and for a few years lie.

Toset, in CHBZ nymphs can settle on tarva, but not in Nikolaev?

Who says they can't? Another thing is that they nest in attics much more often, and in your photo on the rose - gallikus. I don't remember the article right away, it has a lot of articles, I remember about the nymph on plants from the Sumy region and the attics of the Crimea and the dominant with gallikus on plants in the CHBZ, we sent a link.

About "we'll figure it out", especially about "ourselves", I'd rather keep silent )))) We figured it out for you, at one time the Baltic States also gave 98% of the votes for joining the USSR yyyyy

You must have been there and seen everything? And I was in the Baltic States too, yes, although I probably could only get there with provisions.

Che smoke, share a secret? By the way, what would you know, and for a few years lie.

Live larvae, and live winged wasps? Well, well)))

And how else can they get there except when storing food for the larva, when the cell is open? What, just to make fun of me again? Go to sleep, already like an Esox, you confuse declensions ))

???? And not the other way around? =0

Yes, it is clear that the task is not easy...
I didn't get anything wrong, but you seem to be completely confused about three pines and wasps. Read your books and articles, and I'll go get some sleep.

Live larvae, and live winged wasps? Well, well)))

And how else can they get there except when storing food for the larva, when the cell is open?

Probably, this year's dope is very strong.

Go to sleep, already like an Esox, you confuse declensions ))

Yes, I'm coming, I'm coming, don't worry, I was already going to.

and in your photo on the rose - gallikus

You're a rose yourself! This is a rosehip, and on it a nymph's nest, cover your eyes with your hands, then look, it happens, it helps And I'll send you a link now unless after you declare that Crimea is Ukraine

And yes, it is better to do what you like, make mistakes, be criticized, but strive to find out the truth and contemplate nature, than to do what is "popular", build a citadel of science (this is of course more to the Esox), and publish articles for the sake of publishing articles, because it is so necessary according to the plan

As for the total number of nests on the path of life, I can't say for sure right away. Each has an identification code, information about all is recorded in a pile of notebooks and barn books. Only a small part of it has been converted to electronic format so far. In each specific work, I have everything calculated. When I need to put everything together in a common list, I'll put it together. But that moment has not yet arrived. I'll report back to you. An approximate figure, I think, in the region of 500, taking into account both those that I observed in passing, and those that I studied meticulously and systematically (the latter, of course, are much less than half). That is, relatively little (for comparison, Rusina has more than one hundred per article), but I chose the path not of quantity, but of quality. As practice has shown, for one researcher, the former is incompatible with the latter. Mapping even five large nests in a day is a task on the verge of human capabilities. Now I map with an interval from 1 day (one nest on the loggia) to 1 week (nests in the beam, or rather, I don't map them anymore - the hornets have been destroyed), two nests in a vacant lot - twice a week. Previously, there was a time when I sat on the loggia for 12 hours recording every departure, arrival and any details of behavior. And so on for 4-5 days for three months, with the exception of a two-week departure. Back then, I didn't have a computer, let alone a digital camera. I reread this Talmud from time to time. And the camera came to me in 2008. The last nymph's nest built on a horizontal surface dates back to 2007. No more nests of this species were found in the shelters. Either the population was declining, or I was just paying less attention to shelters and more attention to open nests on plants (I didn't know where there were such nests until 2007). Believe it or not, I feel a little purple.

Phew.. I also wanted to sleep, but I had to wait for Ezox to write ))

In general, Ezoks, give at least some nibudt photos and you will get more nests of nymphs, just post at least something)))

And yes..

By the way, I have a dominula nest hanging in my room, with a spherical diameter of about 150 mm, spherical - because the nest is almost the shape of a ball with closing edges. And it's not the biggest nest. More like an average size. Dom nests are huge

Carcharoth, ah, such a game was broken! Just a little bit more and the authoritative polystologist Hierophis would have exposed the black cheeks and yellow mandibles of his "nymphs". Now go and prove that you weren't imagining things. The width of the temples and from this angle is not 100% convincing. Well, since it didn't work out, I'll have to reveal my cards: as soon as Roma started talking about the "horizontal gravity vector", I immediately had a suspicion of gallicus (from that moment on, I didn't even mention this species once, so as not to frighten the naturalist), since I myself noticed that some females (but not all of them) were not all!), orient the honeycomb according to the gravitational field, regardless of the angle of inclination of the substrate, although not strictly horizontal cells, as Roma gave out, but rather vertically with the back surface of the honeycomb, something like this:



But I didn't notice anything like this in a nymph.

As for the nest on the rose, here it is, in dynamics. So where are the gallicuses?
Carcharotu - separate greetings

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Ktsti, fellow scientists, look at the disser Rusina and you will be very surprised, it gives a yellow tip of sternite for the gallicus, for the nymph-only with a small yellow border, or a dot-in the description of color variability options.

So once again-who is on the photo that Ezox posted as a photo of gallikus?

If you determine by the dissertation Rusina, then according to the descriptions of the platypus and mandibles - this is a gallicus:

Well, it's hard to say here, if you talk about the one in the photo of Ezox. Rusina has drawn yellow sternite, and the link that I gave above for gallikus says-completely black.
And in the photo with the rose, the mandibles are black, and the platband is not complete, so everything is very bad in favor of the gallikuses))

But, I found my own old archives here, from 2004 - here are some photos there!!! Thousands of them! There are nests of hornets, germanics, polistov! And in general, a lot of cool photos, so in general, the dispute is also useful and sednya will go pofotkayu already in detail polistov on the grass, if I find it, so that for sure.

And we don't have dolikhovespuls, although, interseno, in the Crimea, in theory, some dolikhovespuls may well live, there are also very cold wooded thickets on high ground.

Oh, Ezox woke up))) Well, he will spend hours writing a message while arafagrafiyyu checks, until more bile is collected))

In the meantime, I'll lay out two nests. Even with notes)

The gallicus. The tip of the sternite is yellow, the cheeks are black, the mandibles are pronounced yellow, the platypus with a dot. The attributes and their unity are indicated



A nymph. The tip of the sternite is black, the mandibles are black, and the cheeks are yellow. Unity of attributes.



And finally the photo is ridiculed by Megaezox )))

??? Mandibles-not completely yellow, cheeks are dark, the tip of the sternite is dark. Feature divergence ? What will scientists say about this?)

vespa mandarinia, please specify what kind of polyst - definitely not gallicus? And then there are a lot of photos of all three types, it's easy to get confused. If you mean yours, then yes, definitely not gallicus. We have a very simple situation with dolichovespuls: there are none.

Roma, which dissertation are you quoting, PhD or PhD? If the latter, then there are already a lot of jumps, without half a liter of digging into the Onsager and Prigogene can not be mastered. By the way, is it already protected? Otherwise, with this war, I completely dropped out of the information field of the "scientific beau monde". But the first one is a great thing, accessible to the understanding of a mere mortal (it is not surprising if you know the history of its writing). Stored in the library of the Institute of Zoology. Of Schmalhausen. I held it in my hands, flipped through it, read a little, but, unfortunately, I didn't have much time. I wanted to read it to the end next time. But a coup d'etat has broken out and the next time is not yet expected. But I very much doubt that this folio with a lot of pasted photos will ever be digitized by anyone. Give me an exact bibliographic reference to your source. Exactly at the place where it says about the necessarily yellow last sternite of the gallicus. And then other authors, it seems, do not know this and I will shoot together. And even the piece of text you quoted doesn't contain it. Maybe more galyuns? Here's what's in Dvorak's key:

The doctoral dissertation, whether it is defended or not, is no longer for me, and the link will be found simply by Google

http://www.zin.ru/boards/00222301/material...sinaLU_diss.pdf

I think you'll find the pictures there yourself, according to my page profile.

And if you say that on the nest with a rose gallikus, while not seeing signs, it is possible for megascientists, proto because it is "slender" and in general it is some Hierophis laid out, and even gloat, htya is only for Esox peculiar with its bile-gloat)))

I didn't sleep. Last night, your troops bombarded the city with calibers larger than the" spherical diameter " of the largest dominula nest that you can imagine, so that figs will fall asleep. But apricot in the morning scored. Mnooogo.

Ezoox) Apricots, this is good, but first of all, this is from old photos that I found today, back in 2004, then I had a very bad camera, a good photo of the nymph was on your rose, the one that broke the beauty of the game(I hesitate to ask what games))))) ) There, on the additional posted photos, the mandibles are clearly visible)

And as you can see, if the mandibles are yellow, then they are perfectly visible, and in the second photo you can see both yellow cheeks and an incomplete platband)

Oh, everyone's awake)

Well, for the fact that I learned so much about polistov, including thanks to criticism of Carcharot, here are his pictures of worms and lyalechek for this

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You're a rose yourself! This is a rosehip, and on it a nymph's nest, cover your eyes with your hands, then look, it happens, it helps And I will now send you a link unless after you declare that Crimea is Ukraine

And yes, it is better to do what you like, make mistakes, be criticized, but strive to find out the truth and contemplate nature, than to do what is "popular", build a citadel of science (this is of course more to the Esox), and publish articles for the sake of publishing articles, because it is necessary according to the plan

Well, well. Here, a blonde girl also proved to me that I don't have asparagus, but asparagus. And you won't give us a link, because such a job probably doesn't exist.
And yes, quite another thing is popular today, unfortunately, namely ignorance, such as yours, and not the publication of scientific articles (especially those that will be read later).

As for the nest on the rose, here it is, in dynamics. So where are the gallicuses?
Carcharotu - separate greetings

This is a gallicus, what can you do. The cheeks are black.

 
By the way, this is what gives out a real Scientist with a capital letter, so this is a dissertation in the public domain, alas, the vast majority of scientists for some reason hide their dissertation as the apple of their eye, and the request to read it is perceived as something not decent

This is your country, but in Russia it has long been a mandatory requirement to post a diser on the Internet before protecting it.

Nah, it's definitely not halicus.

And what is all this about polistov, but about polistov? How are your colleagues doing with dolichovespula? I noticed that this year there are multi-Saxon, forest and media...there weren't that many of them before. Personally, I don't see their nests, I only found a few mother nests, in sheds and in the attic...well, I removed one mature nest, so the collection is replenished, I found a lot of fused nests, 3 - 4. All that for this year:

Here they only nest in trees and shrubs - media and sylvestris. By the way, I first found media for the Crimea in my time.

Oh, Ezox woke up))) Well, he will spend hours writing a message while arafagrafiyyu checks, until more bile is collected))

In the meantime, I'll lay out two nests. Even with notes)

The gallicus. The tip of the sternite is yellow, the cheeks are black, the mandibles are pronounced yellow, the platypus with a dot. The attributes and their unity are indicated



A nymph. The tip of the sternite is black, the mandibles are black, and the cheeks are yellow. Unity of attributes.



And finally the photo is ridiculed by Megaezox )))

??? Mandibles-not completely yellow, cheeks are dark, the tip of the sternite is dark. Feature divergence ? What will scientists say about this?)

I'm tired of you... All three photos show a gallicus, although the second one really doesn't make out anything.

Oh, everyone's awake)

Well, for the fact that I learned so much about polistov, including thanks to criticism of Carcharot, here are his pictures of worms and lyalechek for this

And what, do you think people just sit and wait for your messages, and they have no other things to do? Summer is actually in the yard...
In the first photo, I don't even know what. On the other two, most likely, some torimids or pteromalids.

This post was edited by Carcharot - 30.07.2015 17: 23

By the way, about the nymphs - there is an article by Rusina where she researched nymphs in the CHBZ, it is difficult to imagine a more extreme south, and there they lived on grass, I think that Comrade Karharot knows this Toset, in the CHBZ nymphs can settle on Tarva, but not in Nikolaev? Or is it just because Rusina wrote so?

Lydia Yurievna says that she does not have such an article. So that leaves you with three options:
1. Still give a link (and suddenly someone or even you yourself wrote this article on her behalf).
2. Just admit that you are a talker and, at the same time, stop with the mass release of polistov on the forum.
3. After all, reveal the secret that you smoke so much there. Probably the same t ar vu where they supposedly nest

This post was edited by Carcharot - 30.07.2015 18: 29

Can you, as experts, throw the OS on the definition? They began to fly to my balcony. I don't understand what they need, they crawl on the leaves of plants, what are they looking for there?

Polistes dominula, female. Probably on the leaves of aphid secretions, most likely they are looking for them.

Lydia Yurievna says that she does not have such an article. So that leaves you with three options:
1. Still give a link (and suddenly someone or even you yourself wrote this article on her behalf).
2. Just admit that you are a talker and, at the same time, stop with the mass release of polistov on the forum.
3. After all, reveal the secret that you smoke so much there. Probably the same t ar vu where they supposedly nest

Yes, of course, I wrote it myself

I don't remember the title of the article itself, but this point is also in the dissertation, here is a quote:

  

Roma, I looked at Rusina's dissertation and I think I understood what you meant and why you didn't quote it: there is simply no such phrase that gallicus does not have a pure black last sternite. But there is a drawing and a table, I combined them into such a collage:

Ezox, so where's the collage? )) You just put out a nymph, here's a gallicus with a yellow stripe on the stubble. This is not a dot at all! There is no such text there, it seems, but for some reason there is not much written about Sternites at all.

Here are the gallicus sternites.
As for your collage of assholes, then in Russian it's all , it turns out, nymphs So, since you are such a megauchon, then find out from Rusina what it is. I repeat once again - go to Wikipedia, Google it, and you will find gallikuses with both a black ass and a yellow tip.
Take Tolkyo Carcharota with you, he can detect the os even when the signs are poorly visible or even when they are noticeable, but he abruptly stops seeing them )
And once again-since what is it in Donetsk full of nymphs on stalks, and in the Nikolaev area they will not be? Do we have so many different temperatures that our nymphs burn up on the grass?

This post was edited by Hierophis-30.07.2015 22: 24

More links about the nesting nymph - Provalskaya steppe-is located at the latitude of Donetsk, and despite the fact that it is noticeably colder in winter, in summer temperatures do not differ much from ours - by 2-3 degrees.
Based on such data, it simply cannot be that practical nymphs do not live in more southern conditions on plants, perhaps where there are some shelters like houses in the village, this is true, but in the steppe itself... Considering that polists don't fly far.. So that there were no nests of nymphs-sooo doubt.

http://www.zin.ru/journals/trudyzin/doc/vo...15_1_Rusina.pdf

Chukcha-pisattel, collage as promised, was not from someone's assholes, but from illustrations and tables of the dissertation of Rusina (so that even one compact image would make everything clear even to such a fool as you, otherwise there is a bukof and a lot of drawings, you will still get lost by accident) .