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02.10.2009 9:49, Victor Titov

What kind of beetles and what gender?
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1. Silpha obscura obscura Linnaeus 1758

1. Silpha obscura Linnaeus, 1758

And for me, a duck of the purest water Silpha tristis. The pinhole ribs never stand out so much, and the pronotum is wider.

I totally agree with Anthrenus, this is Silpha tristis Illiger 1798.
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02.10.2009 9:53, evk

Good day to all!!
Please help me with this friend. Like a grinder. and it seems to be from the genus Ernobius and there is an assumption that the species is E. explanatus Mnnh. smile.gif Something in the area it is not very. But there is another one in the fauna of the USSR. A very similar species is E. fobos Golt. and the area is just the Krasnoyarsk Territory. But there is something strange to say about highlighting it in a separate view. What does it count as now?
It was caught in a bark beetle trap in the vicinity of Krasnoyasrka, a pine forest with an admixture of spruce.
Pronotum with flattened edges. the side edges are sharp. the body is red-brown, with a small red spot on the top of the elytra. The points on the elytra are tangled. they don't form rows. There is no bump on the pronotum. eyes without recesses, rather large.
The last three segments of the antennae are enlarged. The remaining segments are almost equal in length and width.

This is definitely Ernobius. As for the explanatus , it doesn't fit the area. Well, everything is clearly written about fobos - this taxon was originally considered as an ssp. from explanatus. Logvinovsky, having found it in Siberia, considered it independent. You have more similar ones there, but the photo doesn't show the necessary signs. You have a copy - look at Logvinovsky (although, to be honest, many things are not determined at all by this Fauna).

02.10.2009 9:53, vasiliy-feoktistov

I completely agree with Anthrenus, this is Silpha tristis Illiger 1798.

S. tristis is a. S. obscura smooth almost.

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 02.10.2009 10: 04
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02.10.2009 9:58, Victor Titov

Just by analogy and about the variability of these two species: in our region, you don't even need to think about the south - 99% of cupreus have red-brown legs, while versicolor never has such legs. However, there are exceptions, those with red legs are also found with black legs. And the border varies so much that it doesn't pull as a leading sign. I've reviewed it specifically now.
But the conversation is not about that, but about the fact that this photo is 50% by 50% (although I myself am also inclined to versicolor, but there seems to be no reason for thatwink.gif). You can safely call both this and that - no one will refute all one thing smile.gif

Well, maybe I was overreacting. Just for the Yaroslavl and Kostroma Poecilus available in my collection, the sign of the pronotum border works quite well. P. cupreus with an extended border at the posterior corners of the pronotum I have not met. Although, I completely agree with you: to be 100% sure, you need to look at the signs you specified, and unfortunately, the snapshot does not provide such an opportunity frown.gif. Let's assume that I just expressed an opinion that I'm more inclined to. smile.gif

02.10.2009 10:42, Buzman

Here is the only set of RELIABLE external differences:
P. cupreus-head and base of pronotum rather densely and clearly dotted; hind tibiae on the inner side with a row of 8-10 light, thin and long bristles; base of pronotum usually narrower than the base of elytra.
P. versicolor-head and base of pronotum at most with small, not dense and less clearly dotted; inner side of hind tibiae with 5-7, rarely 8 short, strong and dark setae; the base of the pronotum is usually the same width as the base of the elytra.


I totally agree. Unfortunately, only Western European keys include differences on the hind legs. In our determinants, this feature is usually not present...
And if I'm not mistaken, you quoted Trautner...

This post was edited by Buzman - 02.10.2009 10: 49

02.10.2009 10:52, evk

I totally agree. Unfortunately, only Western European keys include differences on the hind legs. In our determinants, this feature is usually not present...
And if I'm not mistaken, you quoted Trautner...

No, I quoted with my additions the handwritten and unpublished keys of Oleg Leonidovich Kryzhanovsky, I was lucky enough to work quite closely with him in the 80s-90s.
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02.10.2009 12:38, vasiliy-feoktistov

Please help me deal with the beast.
The barbel was caught on 31.05.2009 here: Moscow region Balashikha district, Zheleznodorozhny district, mixed forest, in years

02.10.2009 13:36, guest: Anthrenus

Tetropium sp., to be more precise, it is necessary that the pronotum is sharp.
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02.10.2009 13:41, vasiliy-feoktistov

Tetropium sp., to be more precise, it is necessary that the pronotum is sharp.

ok. I'll retake it now.
Reshot it (it doesn't get any better)

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 02.10.2009 14: 03

02.10.2009 13:58, Fornax13

Then akulich-sibiria:
Try using the keys in the article:
Toskina I.N. 2003. Some new palaearctic species of wood-borers from subfamily Ernobiinae (Coleoptera: Anobiidae) // Russian Entomol. J. Vol.11 (for 2002). No.4: 387-400
Лежит здесь: http://www.kmk.entomology.ru/rej.htm

02.10.2009 14:06, Victor Titov

Please help me deal with the beast.
The barbel was caught on 31.05.2009 here: Moscow region Balashikha district, Zheleznodorozhny district, mixed forest, in years.

Tetropium sp., to be more precise, it is necessary that the pronotum is sharp.

I'd say it's still Tetropium castaneum confused.gif
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02.10.2009 14:08, Alexandr Rusinov

ok. I'll retake it now.
Reshot it (it doesn't get any better)

Well, then look for yourself smile.gifIf the pronotum is shiny, then castaneum. If the pronotum is matte, then M. b. fuscum.
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02.10.2009 14:09, vasiliy-feoktistov

I would say that it is still Tetropium castaneum confused.gif

Not Asemum sp.?

02.10.2009 14:22, akulich-sibiria

This is definitely Ernobius. As for the explanatus , it doesn't fit the area. Well, everything is clearly written about fobos - this taxon was originally considered as an ssp. from explanatus. Logvinovsky, having found it in Siberia, considered it independent. You have more similar ones there, but the photo doesn't show the necessary signs. You have a copy - look at Logvinovsky (although, to be honest, many things are not determined at all by this Fauna).


Thank you. Well, according to him, I came out only on explanatus, and on the area on fobos.
And what signs should I show? This is no problem, besides the definition of this bug to the type of archived for me at the moment wink.gif

02.10.2009 14:22, evk

Then akulich-sibiria:
Try using the keys in the article:
Toskina I.N. 2003. Some new palaearctic species of wood-borers from subfamily Ernobiinae (Coleoptera: Anobiidae) // Russian Entomol. J. Vol.11 (for 2002). No.4: 387-400
Лежит здесь: http://www.kmk.entomology.ru/rej.htm

So Toskina does not have a key of this genusfrown.gif, only a supplement for the species described by her (very controversial).

02.10.2009 14:23, akulich-sibiria

Then akulich-sibiria:
Try using the keys in the article:
Toskina I.N. 2003. Some new palaearctic species of wood-borers from subfamily Ernobiinae (Coleoptera: Anobiidae) // Russian Entomol. J. Vol.11 (for 2002). No.4: 387-400
Лежит здесь: http://www.kmk.entomology.ru/rej.htm


My mother said-learn English ... shuffle.gif
WELL I will involve interested parties in this
Spasibo

02.10.2009 14:31, Alexandr Rusinov

Not Asemum sp.?

No, the azemum is wider, and the pronotum is not so shaped. This is still tetropium.
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02.10.2009 14:32, vasiliy-feoktistov

Well, then look for yourself smile.gifIf the pronotum is shiny, then castaneum. If the pronotum is opaque, then M. b. fuscum.

Most likely T. fuscum (elytra without noticeable ribs). Is it possible in Moscow Oblast?

02.10.2009 14:45, Fornax13

So Toskina does not have a key of this genusfrown.gif, only a supplement for the species described by her (very controversial).

Exactly frown.gifThen I apologize, I didn't look well.

02.10.2009 15:06, akulich-sibiria

here is another "comrade" no more than a couple of mm. Tell me at least the family, and then in this trifle to count the number of segments of the legs is very problematic, besides it is not quite in a digestible state.
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02.10.2009 15:07, akulich-sibiria

Most likely T. fuscum (elytra without noticeable ribs). Is it possible in Moscow Oblast?

And what kind of forest prevailed in the place of capture, well, from coniferous

02.10.2009 15:14, akulich-sibiria

here's another bug, maybe find out who the species is in it. something from Trypodendron. I won't call the type yet, otherwise everything is not something that is determined. confused.gif
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02.10.2009 15:19, Fornax13

here is another "comrade" no more than a couple of mm.

Padi-type cyphon (Scirtidae)
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02.10.2009 15:29, RippeR

why would fuscum have no ribs?7 Dai fuscum doesn't seem to be black.
fuscum also has reddish-brown whiskers and legs (although I don't think this is a clear sign).
kashtaneum
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02.10.2009 15:51, vasiliy-feoktistov

why would fuscum have no ribs?7 Dai fuscum doesn't seem to be black.
fuscum also has reddish-brown whiskers and legs (although I don't think this is a clear sign).
kashtaneum

Yes, I do not know, well, it does not look like T. castaneum. By the way T. castaneum is here:
http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtop...=0&#entry949950
Just posted it.

02.10.2009 15:51, Алексей Сажнев

Please help me deal with the beast.
The barbel was caught on 31.05.2009 here: Moscow region Balashikha district, Zheleznodorozhny district, mixed forest, in years.


Tetropium castaneum (Linnaeus, 1758) - here for comparison http://www.cerambyx.uochb.cz/tetcas.jpg

This post was edited by Alexey Sazhnev - 02.10.2009 15: 54
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02.10.2009 16:00, vasiliy-feoktistov

Tetropium castaneum (Linnaeus, 1758) - here for comparison http://www.cerambyx.uochb.cz/tetcas.jpg

Thanks! The point is set. smile.gif I delete the images.

02.10.2009 18:12, Mantispid

Please share your thoughts about this weevil. Saratov. 31.05.09.

02.10.2009 19:04, evk

Please share your thoughts about this weevil. Saratov. 31.05.09.

After specifying the size, maybe there will be considerations wink.gif

02.10.2009 19:21, Mantispid

After specifying the size, maybe there will be considerations wink.gif

5 мм

02.10.2009 19:35, evk

5 mm

Then perhaps Strophosoma albolineatum Seidlitz, 1867. Try to run it yourself on the green volume at least!
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02.10.2009 19:49, Mantispid

Then perhaps Strophosoma albolineatum Seidlitz, 1867. Try to run the green volume yourself at least!

Yes, I've already driven it, it turns out something like Peritelus leucogrammus, but I can't even imagine what these weevils look like....

This post was edited by Mantispid - 02.10.2009 19: 50

02.10.2009 20:32, evk

Well, Strophosoma albolineatum, common in tipchakov-kovyl wall stations of the Volgograd region, looks exactly like in your picture.
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02.10.2009 20:54, RippeR

Omar plays strafosoma
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02.10.2009 21:05, Fornax13

Omar taps for strafosoma

Similar smile.gifto
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02.10.2009 21:21, Mantispid

Well, in general, it really looks like Strophosomus, and I saw the shape of the body and the constriction, the shape of the eyes is a little confusing, but in general I agree with the experts)
Strophosoma albolineatum Seidlitz, 1867 new species for the region, hooray comrades))))))

This post was edited by Mantispid - 02.10.2009 21: 24

02.10.2009 21:36, evk

Well, in general, it really looks like Strophosomus, and I saw the shape of the body and the constriction, the shape of the eyes is a little confusing, but in general I agree with the experts)
Strophosoma albolineatum Seidlitz, 1867 new species for the region, hooray comrades))))))

Congratulations! But in ocd. Volgograd and to the north (i.e. in your direction) banal in the appropriate stations. (My copies were confirmed by Boris Korotyaev, ZIN).
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02.10.2009 22:35, vasiliy-feoktistov

I moved all my posts on snappers here: http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtop...=0&#entry950138

02.10.2009 23:16, Fornax13

Congratulations! But in ocd. Volgograd and to the north (i.e. in your direction) banal in the appropriate stations. (My copies were confirmed by Boris Korotyaev, ZIN).

It's not uncommon here either. So in the Saratov region-just must be.

02.10.2009 23:50, NakaRB

Batch # 4
31..34 - Moscow, Bitsevsky Forest Park; 35..40-vicinity of Krasnoarmeysk, Moscow region.

31. 07.06.2009
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32. 07.06.2009
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33. 07.06.2009
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34. 07.06.2009
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35. 12.06.2009
Anastrangalia sanguinolenta?
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36. 12.06.2009
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37. 12.06.2009
Molorchus minor?
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38. 12.06.2009
Clytra quadripunctata?
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39.12.06.2009
Phytoecia nigricornis?
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40. 12.06.2009
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