Entomological labels

so, rewrite it? or can you keep the signed ones and change the rest of them ?

so, rewrite it? or can you keep the signed ones and change the rest of them ?

Rewrite all

Rewrite everything

thank you for finding me something to do for the next 1000 years

I just don't even know how to sign it
almost everything that I caught this year was caught in places marked in red, how do I sign them?
Voronezh Region (Voronezh?) pos.Oryol? east of the village.Oryol? pos.Oryovo
so I write the coordinates
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This post was edited by Collector-08.08.2011 12: 51

what should I rewrite all of them?

If these are the ones that we saw, then you can rewrite a maximum of two copies, and the rest is easier to collect again, there is nothing that would be worth the trouble not only with rewriting, but even with the first inscription. All this was just a warm-up or training session for you (which is also, of course, necessary, and each of us probably lasted even longer than you, and sent no fewer copies to the trash that it was simply unthinkable to take with you to a new life). You need to start a new life: both in straightening and labeling, do everything as it should be from now on. The sooner you start collecting in earnest, the less you will then suffer from how much has been worked out and wasted, and how much time has been wasted. The point is either to do it well or not to do it at all. As the proverb says, if you don't want this, don't torment this one...

what should I rewrite all of them?      

And that the collection has 200,000 copies????
I'm slowly changing my old handwritten geographical labels to printed ones and nothing, not ... (And I only have bark beetles more than two thousand copies)

I only have bark beetles more than two thousand copies)

:0

This post was edited by Collector-08.08.2011 13: 11

This post was edited by botanque - 03.08.2013 22: 52

Absolutely awesome
By the way: what is KBSH?

Kuibyshev region, Kuibyshev (now Samara)

I understood the left half, but the right half..

Work hard, work hard. Of course, it is better not to spend the summer on this, and in the cold season (not to the detriment of lessons) start changing labels. By the way, find out what district Orlovo belongs to (Novousmansky, or something?), the district also needs to be specified between the region and the village (village!). In general, it is not so difficult to find any locality on the Internet and find out exactly its administrative location. The exact indication is a matter of your choice. You can link a point to a locality and specify the distance and direction (at least with an accuracy of 22.5°, for example: north-west-west), you can link it to a mountain, reservoir, etc. You can write: so many km or m in such a direction from the village of Orlovo (in labels it is better not to incline the neuter toponymy, although the rules of the Russian language require declination), but you can (since there is clearly no significant difference in the zonal features of the biotope in the place you specified, such as the transition from a forest to a subalpine meadow) simply indicate: between the village of Orlovo and the village of Makarye, preferably specifying for each case like "field road shoulder" or "south-west slope of the ravine" or "right bank of the river Usmani", etc.

Don't forget the label size. Find out for yourself in the literature about this, choose the size and try to stick to it in the future. In the example given by a colleague of Feoktistov from the book, the upper-left label contains so much information that it would obviously require very small print, otherwise the information will not fit into a decent paper size. But the geographical reference can be even more curly. I'm not even talking about the fact that many people now add coordinates to the label. You need to calculate all this yourself for your descriptions and optimally choose the font size and location of labels on the label. By the way, try not to poke the pin into the letters: if the letters are exactly in the center and otherwise they cannot be positioned, then it is better to pierce the label half a millimeter above or below the center, just not sideways from the center.

Also keep in mind that in the left row, the second label from the top (circa Yalta) is also incorrect. First, even if your material gets only to those who know Russian well (who will understand that "okr." is not a district, but a neighborhood, and "G." is not a mountain, but a city, which is better shortened as" gor."), with today's faunal meticulousness, " neighborhood cities of Yalta " is a very abstract indication, because Greater Yalta is so large even without "neighborhoods" that it cannot be perceived as a specific point of discovery. The entire southern slope of the Yalta and Ai-Petrinsky yayl (if not themselves in addition) can be recorded in such "surroundings", and this would be faunal idiocy to confuse, say, with the coastal strip on both sides of Yalta. On the other hand, in the middle of a solid desert and a dozen or two kilometers-not a deviation.

In the upper right-hand row, the label does not indicate the area or type of item "Mamontovka" (it may not be a locality at all). So anyone working with the collection would have to first go through the entire toponymy of the Moscow region to make sure that there are not a dozen and a half Mammoths in it (and the book was published when there were no Google or computers).

In the same row, the second label from the top does not indicate what Batumi is or where to look for it. The label has no right to bet on the fact that people will focus on the most famous things, and mistakes can result from this. One must start either at the next level below the state, or (given today's entomological international integration) at the state's indication.

This post was edited by A. J. Elez-08.08.2011 13: 52

And I only have bark beetles more than two thousand copies

I used to have a lot more leatherheads...

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Kuibyshev region, Kuibyshev (now Samara)

"You can't understand without half a liter" (and with it, too).

By the way, find out what district Oryol (Novousmansky, or what?)belongs to.

and how to do it?

For Alexey and not only: entomologists should not be expected to be as quick in mastering Russian as taxi drivers and merchants, because the incentives are completely different. Therefore, I fully understand the current need to supply foreign colleagues with the most natural "English" language for this purpose today. But the main thing should remain the toponymic indication in the language of the country of collection (this applies not only to the Russian Federation, but to any country), because entomology does not end with today's colleagues, other colleagues will come to the same material in years, and we cannot predict the future balance of power of languages, or rather there is nothing native toponymy. Of course, if a foreign entomologist is seriously working with our material, then at least he should learn Cyrillic letters; strongly encourage people who find it difficult to learn such a small thing for the sake of business – also not a blessing, but a necessary measure. The English transcription of Chinese toponyms on their labels is just as forced as for those who come to China from outside its borders (from the Russian Federation, for example). But there are many hieroglyphs and they are much more difficult to learn than our " sch " and "w". Of course, even our letters can be difficult, but certainly not for the most diligent foreigners. Such labels then remain, sometimes simply copied from our Latin letters, like the handwritten label "Dneankou" under the supposedly Crimean copy of Apollo (Nekrutenko, thank God, guessed that this was just a horse attempt to write our "Dzhankoy" in their font). The balance of interests has to be taken into account, language is not an end in itself, but a means of communication, but accuracy requires striving to preserve the original toponymy. And I think that the Russian entomologist will quite cope with our "sch", as the Chinese – with their own hieroglyphs. And they can transcribe and translate for each other for mutual convenience, it will not hurt anyone, as long as the original instruction is not lost.

I am absolutely not a fanatic - "patriot". I have nothing against English, at the level of the label, the eye does not care at all whether it is in English or in Russian, I understand both this and that. In addition, many people I respect with very good collections have labels in English and I can't help but respect their choice.
Just a little surprised by the words " ah, poor Western scientists in Cyrillic will not understand anything." An illiterate Egyptian fellah or a Thai merchant can learn Russian, but a person who calls himself a scientist (and by definition has a good brain) cannot master Cyrillic. I don't believe it! Almost the whole country understands both Cyrillic and Latin letters. When I needed it, I mastered the Arabic alphabet without any problems. Yes, and I understand the Greek alphabet in principle. It's not a big deal.
You called yourself a scientist and you are working seriously with the material collected by the Russians - strain your brain and remember a few Cyrillic letters that are not in the Latin alphabet. Such brain training is very useful.

I used to have a lot more leatherheads...

On pins or live on the material?

On pins or live on the material?

and how to do it?

Type "Orlovo Voronezhskaya" in the Yandex search engine and dig into the results. I tried that. However, there may be more than one Oryol area in the region, so it's up to you to navigate and choose exactly the one you need. As I understand it, yours is located in the Novousmansky district.

By the way, as follows from the attached kilometer, you live in very attractive places. Map taken from the site poehali.org. I recommend that you click on the image to get the full file and keep this map in mind: after all, the most filled maps are not Google and Yandex, but paper general staff maps (and their scans, of course). Unfortunately, I couldn't find a larger scale. But this map is more than enough for you to navigate and link points for labeling purposes, and you can also set administrative divisions, distances, and directions using Google maps. Of course, administrative subordination should also be controlled by search engines.

And more. The local people sometimes visit the Voronezh Region; so that you are not particularly surprised by the presence of this or that species in it, look carefully at the topic "Fishing Reports".

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so, rewrite it? or can you keep the signed ones and change the rest of them ?

Why resell it? You can type it on your computer and print it out

and how to do it?

Torment with Google bans. He does not ban for this

what are these abbreviations?

And what are search engines for? For the query "Abbreviations on geographical maps", there are more than 10 pages of response headers
, for example: http://budetinteresno.narod.ru/uslovn/sokr.htm
It seems that many of the questions on the forum you ask are not serious.

But it's interesting. There is a station Burkin, and near the village of Burkin Buyerak and all this on the territory of the reserve "Burkinsky forest". What is the best way to link the label: to the station, to the village, or to the nature reserve?

p. s. does the forum have a moderator? maybe you should already ban you-know-who?

To the village and to the nearest large locality. The reserve may be liquidated tomorrow, and the station is often not plotted on the map.

To the village and to the nearest large locality. The reserve may be liquidated tomorrow, and the station is often not plotted on the map.

Only the geographical coordinates will remain eternal. They, by the way , do not require knowledge of languages In my purely private opinion, for a geographical label, coordinates are exhaustive information. I don't mean the label with the conditions of capture! However, this dispute is a long - standing one...

In general, sometimes it is better to tie a label from some more or less large item, because it is difficult to search for hundreds of Ivanovok, Petrovok or Ak-Bulakov. For example, from the district center. 30 km south of Zaisan, than 3 km From the village of Bazarka, which you will not find, except on 2 kmvkah.

Do geographical coordinates mean latitude and longitude? I would not be so categorical in the opinion that they are "eternal". It will take a couple of hundred years, and no one knows how we will geografichit and coordinate the old Earth

what do you think the label should be linked to?

I'm at a loss for an answer.
They've already given you answers, and you're asking the same question again.
Then why answer?

To the village and to the nearest large locality. The reserve may be liquidated tomorrow, and the station is often not plotted on the map.

In general, sometimes it is better to tie a label from some more or less large item, because

what do you think about the Labels program?
can I use it to sign labels? or better by hand?
why is the text written sideways in it?can this be changed?
please share your experience

This post was edited by Collector - 18.08.2011 20: 42

what do you think about the Labels program?
can I use it to sign labels? or better by hand?
why is the text written sideways in it?can this be changed?
please share your experience

I made a special table in Microsoft Office Word and fill it out with it-just as I need it.
Why all these programs, reinvent the wheel or something?

There is a station Burkin, and near the village of Burkin Buyerak and all this on the territory of the reserve "Burkinsky forest". What is the best way to link the label: to the station, to the village, or to the nature reserve?

To Burkina Faso.

Mantispid, I would write: reserve "Burkinsky forest", near the village of Burkin Buyerak. Obviously in my opinion

I made a special table in Microsoft Office Word and fill it out with it-just as I need it.
Why all these programs, reinvent the wheel or something?

in word they are very big getting

Somewhere they are big....
https://yadi.sk/i/27Nng0dt3UQt3H

come on, fuck you. korel rules )

Korel still needs to be delivered and, importantly, mastered) The latter - it will not be so fast, the Word is more familiar))

Personally, the Labels program suits me, and I have been making labels only in it for 6 years now. However, this is probably a matter of habit and taste.

Mantispid, I would write: reserve "Burkinsky forest", near the village of Burkin Buyerak. Obviously in my opinion

Wait, Vasily, how do you know exactly where the instance was taken and what relation it has to the named objects in general? You can't write a label based only on stories about what names even exist on geographical maps... How are these points located relative to each other on the map? At what distance and in what direction from each of the named points is the insect taken? And whether it was taken at all (even this is still unknown!) or are they just going to look for him? When they tell us all this, then we'll figure out how best to specify the locale in the label. Until then, we'll have to be patient...