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02.09.2009 11:26, vasiliy-feoktistov

Americans think about their own safety, but you can get burned on such a lamp. smile.gif

Omar, my main job is with the Pendos. Their security is indeed absurd, but no one has abolished the laws of physics.

02.09.2009 11:27, vasiliy-feoktistov

Asbestos is now banned in all civilized countries as a carcinogenic substance. It is not even used in car pads anymore. smile.gif

But not here, where the roads are sometimes strewn with it.

02.09.2009 11:29, omar

I'm talking about the American lamp

02.09.2009 11:40, vasiliy-feoktistov

Yes, you are right, it is enough to change the grid ( Chinese to American), but the heating will not disappear anywhere. The grids are here: http://www.fishingnet.ru/shop/show_good.ph...5d8994ad766e524
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02.09.2009 11:51, vasiliy-feoktistov

Yes, you are right, it is enough to change the grid ( Chinese to American), but the heating will not disappear anywhere. The grids are here: http://www.fishingnet.ru/shop/show_good.ph...5d8994ad766e524

Re: I still have Chinese 6pcs. it remains (at one time I bought spare parts for the future). When I burn them,I'll switch to American ones.

02.09.2009 11:56, omar

In short, I repeat the question - has anyone used the Coleman lamp? How much does its glass heat up?
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02.09.2009 12:37, Black Coleopter

Aztsky shaitan-machine smile.gifAnd DRL can be used in it???
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02.09.2009 13:12, vasiliy-feoktistov

Aztsky shaitan-machine smile.gifAnd DRL can be used in it???

Yes, there is only gasoline, kerosene and a tanning bed (once heated with whitespirite). In short: everything that burns!

02.09.2009 13:55, vasiliy-feoktistov

In short, I repeat the question - has anyone used the Coleman lamp? How much does its glass heat up?

With the American Chinese grid, in my opinion, it is interchangeable (I didn't try it, though). For reference, a photo of a Chinese mesh:

Pictures:
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02.09.2009 16:33, okoem

If they all burn up at once, then I don't need it for nothing.

DRL is also not too hot, and nothing, we catch the same. smile.gif
In any case, the lamp can be placed in a "box" with walls made of fine mesh.

02.09.2009 16:43, vasiliy-feoktistov

DRL is also not too hot, and nothing, we catch the same. smile.gif
In any case, the lamp can be placed in a "box" with walls made of fine mesh.

So I'm talking about, and if you are lazy to make a box-then do not yawn. Regarding asbestos: we still have a lot of it, except for the lamp. How can you be afraid of it in our country? I generally live in a city where half of the fences are made of asbestos sheet (we make it and people drag it naturally). jump.gif

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 02.09.2009 18: 28

02.09.2009 17:01, omar

DRL is not so hot if it is not punctured. When you hit it, the insect does not burn, if not quite small and not quite tender.

02.09.2009 18:22, vasiliy-feoktistov

DRL is not so hot if it is not punctured. When you hit it, the insect does not burn, if not quite small and not quite tender.

I agree, but where in the forest can you get electricity to power it (DRL)-it eats a lot. I've already written about generators. Of course, I don't advertise to the Chinese, kerosene, etc. - but this is life.

02.09.2009 21:44, Black Coleopter

Yes, there is only gasoline, kerosene and a tanning bed (once heated with whitespirite). In short: everything that burns!

Can I have some cognac?"??

02.09.2009 21:47, vasiliy-feoktistov

Can I have some cognac?"??

I haven't tried it. It is better to fill it in yourself.

02.09.2009 21:56, Black Coleopter

I guess this is one of the only options. Yes, and it is relatively inexpensive 10 000 rubles. for such a miracle. For comparison: 1,500-DRL lamps with throttles, 15,000 (at least) - generator, more than 2,000-overload fee, if we use the services of Aeroflot. Another thing is whether BUGS will fly to the light of this lamp. confused.gif

02.09.2009 22:01, evk

I haven't tried it. It is better to fill it in yourself.

I fully support you!
About "immediately burn out" - for those who can afford to carry a generator with them or catch only where there is 220 volts in the socket, such a lamp is not needed and, of course, a generator and a 250-watt lamp are better. But to fish in a place that is several kilometers away from civilization ... Alas, no one has come up with a better and cheaper solution. Well, purely subjective - if three butterflies and 1.5 beetles arrive in an hour, then of course, God forbid one will get burned. But there are hundreds of them flying in places like this. Alas, we have to put up with losses, and if it's such a pity - the problem to be solved is smile.gif

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02.09.2009 22:14, vasiliy-feoktistov

I guess this is one of the only options. Yes, and it is relatively inexpensive 10 000 rubles. for such a miracle. For comparison: 1,500-DRL lamps with throttles, 15,000 (at least) - generator, more than 2,000-overload fee, if we use the services of Aeroflot. It is another matter whether BUGS will fly to the light of this lamp. confused.gif

Yes, everything is flying at her. There the efficiency is capital.

04.09.2009 2:34, Black Coleopter

As far as I understand, the principle of operation is as follows: fuel is supplied under pressure and heats the metal mesh, which, in turn, emits light, including the ultraviolet spectrum, so necessary for collecting insects. Or I'm wrong, if I'm wrong, please correct me. In my opinion, the thing is very useful, especially in the absence of electricity

04.09.2009 14:19, vasiliy-feoktistov

As far as I understand, the principle of operation is as follows: fuel is supplied under pressure and heats the metal mesh, which, in turn, emits light, including the ultraviolet spectrum, so necessary for collecting insects. Or I'm wrong, if I'm wrong, please correct me. In my opinion, the thing is very useful, especially in the absence of electricity

Yes, you are right about the principle of operation. The only thing: the tube that supplies fuel to the burner has an evaporator ring that must be warmed up before starting (fuel vapors burn under pressure in the burner). I must have some instructions for the Chinese lamp somewhere. If I find it, I'll scan it and post it here. Here's another interesting thing: http://oillamp.ru/links/11.shtml

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 04.09.2009 14: 23

04.09.2009 14:42, mikee

As far as I understand, the principle of operation is as follows: fuel is supplied under pressure and heats the metal mesh, which, in turn, emits light, including the ultraviolet spectrum, so necessary for collecting insects. Or I'm wrong, if I'm wrong, please correct me. In my opinion, the thing is very useful, especially in the absence of electricity

There is no sign of ultraviolet light there :- ) Energy is not the same. We do not look for ultraviolet light in incandescent lamps, even in very powerful ones that give a blinding light. And the temperature in incandescent lamps is higher than in liquid fuel combustion systems.
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04.09.2009 14:52, vasiliy-feoktistov

And the temperature in incandescent lamps is higher than in liquid fuel combustion systems.

I easily light my cigarette from it (from the upper metal cap).
"There is no ultraviolet light in sight :- ) Energy is not the same." By the way: the ultraviolet part of the spectrum is everywhere (in different amounts). If-it would not be then and insects did not fly-would.smile.gif

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 04.09.2009 15: 29
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04.09.2009 15:32, Guest

It has long been experimentally proven that the positive phototaxis of most insects is manifested not only in the UV part of the spectrum.
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04.09.2009 15:44, vasiliy-feoktistov

It has long been experimentally proven that the positive phototaxis of most insects is manifested not only in the UV part of the spectrum.

Yes, I know that. I just meant that ultraviolet light is everywhere-it's part of the spectrum. It just doesn't hurt some people (not you) to know a little bit of physics in order to draw certain conclusions.

04.09.2009 16:08, mikee

Yes, I know that. I just meant that ultraviolet light is everywhere-it's part of the spectrum. It just doesn't hurt some people (not you) to know a little bit of physics in order to draw certain conclusions.

Well, well smile.gif
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04.09.2009 16:24, Black Coleopter

Yes, I know that. I just meant that ultraviolet light is everywhere-it's part of the spectrum. It just doesn't hurt some people (not you) to know a little bit of physics in order to draw certain conclusions.

It looks like a rock in my garden. wink.gif But I'm not good at exact sciences, so I asked you to correct me if I'm wrong
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04.09.2009 16:40, Guest

It looks like a rock in my garden. wink.gif But I'm not very good at exact sciences, so I asked you to correct me if I'm wrong

It looks like you didn't get the stone from your garden. smile.gif
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04.09.2009 18:23, evk

With an active summer and the "right" weather, it flies to any light. There was an experience of fishing on Chinese daylight lanterns (weak), on an ordinary pocket flashlight and even on a bonfire surprisingly rare things crawled (butterfly beetles fly to the fire, but here they burn down in 99% of cases). But, firstly, this is where there are no powerful or simply stronger light sources nearby, and secondly, the catch is extremely scanty. Therefore, discussing what is flying and what is not is an empty lesson. The main thing is to have an autonomous source of sufficiently strong light. The rest - questions of availability of finances and delivery of this source to the right place wink.gif
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04.09.2009 19:40, vasiliy-feoktistov

It looks like a rock in my garden. wink.gif But I'm not very good at exact sciences, so I asked you to correct me if I'm wrong

Yes, no, this is not in your garden (I don't like anonymous people). Just who tried to catch on a red or green light, let them respond and report on their catches.

05.09.2009 7:55, vasiliy-feoktistov

To all: For the sake of interest, here is a scan from an English book: David Carter "Butterflies and Moths" Dorling Kindersley, London 1992. As you can see, they (the British) use such a lamp, and I tend to trust the British in entomology (Darwin, Wallace, Rothschild, etc.). I propose to essentially share my opinion about catching on this lamp(if anyone caught it of course), otherwise it didn't go there at all. With respect to all, Vasily. Here is the scan:

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05.09.2009 8:44, vasiliy-feoktistov

With an active summer and the "right" weather, it flies to any light. There was an experience of fishing on Chinese daylight lanterns (weak), on an ordinary pocket flashlight and even on a bonfire surprisingly rare things crawled (butterfly beetles fly to the fire, but here they burn down in 99% of cases). But, firstly, this is where there are no powerful or simply stronger light sources nearby, and secondly, the catch is extremely scanty. Therefore, discussing what is flying and what is not is an empty lesson. The main thing is to have an autonomous source of sufficiently strong light. The rest is related to the availability of finances and delivery of this source to the right place. wink.gif

Evgeny, I totally agree with you. It just so happens that you started this topic, and I continued. Is there really only 2 people in Russia who caught on a similar source?

05.09.2009 18:38, Black Coleopter

Are there really only 2 people in Russia who caught on such a source?

After such detailed stories, there will be 1 more person. I guarantee you that!
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06.09.2009 14:48, okoem

There is no sign of ultraviolet light there :- ) Energy is not the same. We do not look for ultraviolet light in incandescent lamps, even in very powerful ones that give a blinding light. And the temperature in incandescent lamps is higher than in liquid fuel combustion systems.

The glow spectrum directly depends on the temperature. I don't know exactly what the temperature is in ordinary incandescent lamps, but judging by the fact that the light is "yellow", the temperature there is not too high.
Also, the amount of ultraviolet light emitted by the lamp is highly dependent on the composition of the glass used. It is logical to assume that lamps used for household needs are made of glass that delays ultraviolet light. And by itself, a powerful dazzling light is not yet ultraviolet.
As for liquid fuel, as far as I understand, it is precisely the achievement of a very high temperature (colorless flame) that is necessary for incandescent grids of hot-water lamps.

I think the exact numbers can be found on the web, if you search well.
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06.09.2009 21:59, Black Coleopter

The temperature of a hot part can be determined by the glow of the material:

Colors Burning Hot Temperature, 0C
Bright White 1250-1300
Light Yellow 1150-1250
Dark Yellow 1050-1150
Orange 900-1050
Light Red 830-900
Light Cherry Red 800-830
Cherry Red 770-800
Dark Cherry Red 730-770
Dark Red 650-730
Brown Red 580-650
Dark Brown 550-580

Verkhovtsev O. G., Lyutov K. P. Practical tips for an amateur craftsman: Electrical engineering. Electronics. Materials and their processing. - 2nd ed., reprint. and add. - L.: Energoatomizdat. Lenigr. otd-nie, 1988. - 208 p.: il.
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07.09.2009 10:29, mikee

To all: For the sake of interest, here is a scan from an English book: David Carter "Butterflies and Moths" Dorling Kindersley, London 1992. As you can see, they (the British) use such a lamp, and I tend to trust the British in entomology (Darwin, Wallace, Rothschild, etc.). I propose to essentially share my opinion about catching on this lamp(if anyone caught it of course), otherwise it didn't go there at all. With respect to all, Vasily. Here is the scan:

Pay attention to the words "vapour mercury", which in Russian means" mercury vapor". I.e. in this case we are talking about an analog of DRL. Therefore, it is good to fly to it, because there is a lot of ultraviolet light in the spectrum. In the previous discussion, catalytic combustion lamps were discussed without any mention of mercury.
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08.09.2009 10:57, vasiliy-feoktistov

Pay attention to the words "vapour mercury", which in Russian means" mercury vapor". I.e. in this case we are talking about an analog of DRL. Therefore, it is good to fly to it, because there is a lot of ultraviolet light in the spectrum. In the previous discussion, catalytic combustion lamps were discussed without any mention of mercury.


Mikee, but when a great many "nocturnal" species were described, there was no electricity at all (everywhere). Sincerely, your fellow countryman. P.S. This lamp flies very well (even in our Piece of Iron).

08.09.2009 14:09, TEMPUS

This year, for the first time, I used the DRL-250 lamp to attract moths.I was satisfied,the result exceeded all expectations.But the season is inexorably coming to an end,and more and more there is this question (before that it was only casually mentioned on the forum), so I will ask it here again:is it possible to leave the DRL lamp and throttle to it right at the dacha in the cold for the whole winter (will the lamp or throttle fail at the same time), or is it necessary to take them to the city and store them there in a warm place?The fact is that the transportation of the lamp in my situation is fraught with significant difficulties,and therefore it is very important for me to know exactly whether to transport the lamp and throttle or not.How to store the lamp directly in winter?Thank you in advance for your response.

08.09.2009 14:33, okoem

:whether it is possible to leave the DRL lamp and throttle to it directly at the dacha in the cold for the whole winter (whether the lamp or throttle will fail in this case),

They don't need heat at all. The main thing is that it would be drier. Bring your devices indoors to avoid rain/no snow fell on them - that's all storage.
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08.09.2009 14:46, barko

Batteries should only be stored vertically!!!
Several years ago, due to an oversight, 3 accumulators immediately went out of stock during winter storage, as they were lying on their side mad.gif

picture: akku.jpg
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08.09.2009 21:22, vasiliy-feoktistov

Batteries should only be stored vertically!!!
Several years ago, due to an oversight, 3 accumulators immediately went out of stock during winter storage, as they were lying on their side mad.gif

picture: akku.jpg

From UPS?"it's better to keep it warm."

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