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20.02.2012 19:15, swerig

For example, Polyommatus celina was "unearthed" by Vimers, Vodolazhsky and Stradomsky,

Polyommatus celina isn't it from Tunisia???

20.02.2012 19:27, lepidopterolog

North Africa and part of the European Mediterranean.
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20.02.2012 19:34, Valentinus

He knew everything, Valentine. He receives my articles regularly. It's not even that, it's just that he behaved completely unethically in a number of places. For example, Polyommatus celina was "unearthed"by Vimers, Vodolazhsky, and Stradomsky, and for some reason he refers to the subsequent work of Dinca et al 2011, in which the authors refer to us. Next, the Eros system: Three or four years ago, Chikolovets and I had a long e-mail exchange about the status of Eroides, etc. Now he gives us our system of eros, but without the slightest reference to our work with Vimers.

I suggest simply not to consider Chikolovets ' book as a scientific work, and then everything will fall into place. In Europe, too, a lot of books are published without any references.

20.02.2012 19:40, bora

Polyommatus celina isn't it from Tunisia???

LOCUS GU377278 558 bp DNA linear INV 09-FEB-2010
DEFINITION Polyommatus celina voucher ILL069 cytochrome oxidase subunit I
(co1) gene, partial cds; mitochondrial.FEATURES Location/Qualifiers
source 1..558
/organism="Polyommatus celina"
/organelle="mitochondrion"
/mol_type="genomic DNA"
/specimen_voucher="ILL069"
/db_xref="taxon:575428"
/sex="male"
/country="Tunisia: seaboard near Mahdia"
/collection_date="01-Sep-2008"
/collected_by="D. Pozhogin"
/note="authority: Polyommatus celina Austaut, 1879"
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20.02.2012 19:44, bora

I suggest simply not to consider Chikolovets ' book as a scientific work

Then I don't think it's worth discussing. We don't discuss Murzilka magazines and Funny Pictures here.
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20.02.2012 20:44, Alexandr Zhakov

smile.gif Some films are good, some are bad, and some are Indian.
So there are good determinants, there are bad ones, and there are Chikolovets.
Someone likes and uses them. They don't suit me and I don't use them.
The only bad thing is that these books are well known in Europe and they are used to judge the level of our science.
Collectors primarily purchase atlases, not catalogues. wink.gif
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21.02.2012 0:00, Kharkovbut

So there are good determinants, there are bad ones, and there are Chikolovets.
Someone likes and uses them.
I would refrain from calling it "determinant". smile.gif This is not a formal determinant, and, so to speak, according to the Hamburg score. It is impossible to determine anything from it, IMHO (for some atlases, with some reservations, it is still possible to determine something, but not in this case). In this regard, it is not entirely clear how it can be "used". tongue.gif
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21.02.2012 2:36, Guest

Images viewed smile.gif

21.02.2012 2:49, Kharkovbut

Pictures are being watched smile.gif
Aaa... So that's it!... jump.gif

21.02.2012 12:56, introvert

  smile.gif Some films are good, some are bad, and some are Indian.
So there are good determinants, there are bad ones, and there are Chikolovets.
Someone likes and uses them. They don't suit me and I don't use them.
The only bad thing is that these books are well known in Europe and they are used to judge the level of our science.
Collectors primarily purchase atlases, not catalogues. wink.gif


I'll continue... there is white and there is black, as well as an infinite number of shades of gray. Gray is interesting in development, then it is white, then black, then vice versa. If you understand me?" It's rare for a collector to have one atlas of someone's work, and believe me, there's not much else on my bookshelf that isn't there. I'll find more if I have to. Labels with specific names in my collection are often "temporary"(the gray color changes). Workflow!
The Chikolovets atlases may not be a science, but you will agree that they are well published. Nihai live for themselves...
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27.02.2012 15:34, Penzyak

..- "The doctor treats us for measles, There is a teacher at school... We need different moms. Moms are important..."
Before you scold something , you need to try to write and publish something yourself...
Naturally, Vadim's atlases are primarily designed primarily for collectors, that is, an educational beginning... and then gradually, and he wrote the book quite a long time ago... How much NEW information has appeared on the same faunistics since then - such species have surfaced that we did not expect in our area!!!

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27.02.2012 21:31, Лавр Большаков

Yes, having looked at this book quite quickly so far, I can confirm that it is completely useless and even harmful to the knowledge of the fauna of Europe, especially the Eastern one. The author compiled some innovations without any understanding, with gross errors and, of course, without any references to sources. This is an unscrupulous and illiterate compilation that can only disorient the untrained reader.

27.02.2012 21:55, rhopalocera.com

For the sake of interest, I looked at what was written at the beginning of the last century about the taxa of the species group of the genus Zegris (in the light of the "suddenly discovered" taxon tschudica). Here, for example, is what Serge Alferaki wrote in 1913.

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27.02.2012 23:37, Melittia

Yes, having looked at this book quite quickly so far, I can confirm that it is completely useless and even harmful to the knowledge of the fauna of Europe, especially the Eastern one. The author compiled some innovations without any understanding, with gross errors and, of course, without any references to sources. This is an unscrupulous and illiterate compilation that can only disorient the untrained reader.


Lavr, sorry, I missed it. What book are you talking about?

28.02.2012 0:19, lepidopterolog

About novaya Chikolovetskaya, Butterflies of Europe and Mediterranean area, vestimo smile.gif

02.03.2012 10:09, Penzyak

... probably about the previous edition in question... where there are solid photo tables and b/w essays... yes, with the "new" taxa there was a clear mistake...

06.03.2012 17:53, rhopalocera.com

Finally, I began to straighten out the material that had been waiting in the wings for almost 15 years. Unfortunately, this had a negative impact on the quality of the crackdown.

Callophrys avis

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26.03.2012 12:14, bora

Cyaniris semiargus-development from "awakened" L3 to adult from March 1 to March 25, 2012.

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09.04.2012 4:07, lepidopterolog

Wrote a review of the recently acquired book Butterflies Fauna Sinica: Lycaenidae
http://lepidopterolog.livejournal.com/18084.html
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09.04.2012 6:29, Macroglossum

Finally, I began to straighten out the material that had been waiting in the wings for almost 15 years. Unfortunately, this had a negative impact on the quality of the crackdown.

Callophrys avis

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Stanislav, overexposed in the desiccator is great, did not stretch the chest with thin tweezers, forcibly moved the wings.
Excised material (as delicate as Callophrys) should be straightened with the top of your feet on the foam dies of the ceiling covering and not with a dissecting needle, but with an entomological pin, slightly blunted and curved at 45 degrees..well move the veins from the underside at a small angle

11.04.2012 20:21, Valentinus

Zelenushechki flew jump.gif jump.gif jump.gif
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24.04.2012 13:09, Penzyak

...we also got raspberries.
Here's a look at an interesting photo of nerds who have found it - and the discussion is very interesting...

http://forum.plantarium.ru/viewtopic.php?pid=117086#p117086
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24.04.2012 20:23, Kharkovbut

Here's a look at an interesting photo of nerds who have found it - and the discussion is very interesting...

http://forum.plantarium.ru/viewtopic.php?pid=117086#p117086
Oleg, thank you! Quinoa here is clearly not for nothing, the hypothesis of a dog IMHO does not stand up to criticism. smile.gif Here is my version:

http://kharkovbut.narod.ru/coridon.html

(see the lowest photo). I'm just not sure if I've identified the plant correctly. shuffle.gif But - some kind of quinoa or mar.
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02.05.2012 16:56, bora

Population of S. orion in the delta of the The Don is characterized by the following parameters: very large size (like Icarus), the presence of red-brick holes in the marginal pattern of the top of the hind wings, and monovolticity. Has anyone ever met such people?

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02.05.2012 16:58, lepidopterolog

Are your genitals typical? Are they developing on Sedum album too?

02.05.2012 17:06, bora

Are your genitals typical? Are they developing on Sedum album too?

Aft - Sedum maximum (in the photo on the aft). I haven't looked at my genitals yet.

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02.05.2012 19:40, rhopalocera.com

Population of S. orion in the delta of the The Don is characterized by the following parameters: very large size (like Icarus), the presence of red-brick holes in the marginal pattern of the top of the hind wings, and monovolticity. Has anyone ever met such people?



Nizhny Novgorod ones such as

02.05.2012 20:23, bora

Nizhny Novgorod ones are the same

And in the south, the orions are small, dim, and bivoltine. And without the red holes on top.

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02.05.2012 20:38, Kharkovbut

And in the south, the orions are small, dim, and bivoltine. And without the red holes on top.
In recent years, we have had a minimum of trivoltins. Perhaps more generations. They fly from late April to early October, weather permitting. The size varies, but on average, of course, smaller than caviar. Something like red holes is sometimes found, but it is not a feature of individual populations.

When does a single generation fly in the Don Delta? In the spring?
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02.05.2012 20:50, bora

  
When does a single generation fly in the Don Delta? In the spring?

Yes, in the spring-from May 1. And all marked specimens have red holes.
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02.05.2012 21:05, bora

Now, not to mislead everyone, really.
This population is an introduced species. Gennady Kuznetsov (guk) once sent me "pregnant" females from Volgograd. I trained the caterpillars on a non-native cleaning agent and released the caterpillars to "freedom". And now we have a population of some completely modified orions that do not closely resemble either the Rostov ones (they live 200 km to the north) or their parents from Volgograd.

02.05.2012 21:55, rhopalocera.com

By the way, ours are also monovoltaic. And very local.

03.05.2012 12:29, Penzyak

Our Orion has two generations - but the second is very rare...
The first photo (late May) of a newly released male orion from a pine forest - red holes "merge" into a sling...
in the third photo, the same Shalkeev cordon - but already the beginning of June-the holes burn out and turn orange...
the only identified cr. r. g . is ochitok bolshoy (maxima...).

In the second photo of golubyanka (curiously, I see only males in icarus...) in search of sodium (see my previous post)... Just tempted to write - " And the wedding sang and danced!"

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05.05.2012 1:58, lepidopterolog

I present to your attention a little-known species of Iranian raspberries, described in recent years by V. ten Hagen.
Callophrys naderii ten Hagen, 2008
Iran, Kerman Province
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Callophrys farsica ten Hagen, 2009
Iran, Fars Province
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05.05.2012 2:10, lepidopterolog

And one of the original descriptions.



download file NEVA_30_131_TEN_HAGEN_Callophrys_paulae_und_farsica.pdf

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05.05.2012 23:51, Kharkovbut

And one of the original descriptions.
Yes, the variability of female genitalia is enormous... it leads to different thoughts. wall.gif

05.05.2012 23:58, lepidopterolog

Leads, leads... However, the analysis of large series shows that this variability has some boundaries, for example, in paulae and farsica they do not intersect.
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08.05.2012 19:58, bora

An act of cannibalism in C. rubi caterpillars

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17.05.2012 11:02, Penzyak

Boris, what is probably a consequence of the fact that the caterpillar does not have enough trace elements or protein for development??

I would call these descriptions of new species of raspberries "Callopris swamp".
It sucks in many people...

25.05.2012 7:21, daydreamer

Colleagues, please help with the definition. Both pigeons were caught in the south of the Chelyabinsk region in the mountain steppe 22.06.
Just do not need versions on icarus, they were there 3 weeks earlier and completely different smile.gif
Another question, I'm going to go fishing today in Orenburg region, tell me who went there, what is interesting there at the beginning of June, especially among pigeons...

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