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18.01.2012 23:34, RippeR

We continue to blue
what I defined as boydyuvali. Altai Krai, Charysh-Belaya Inya River district, 600-800 m, 7-8. V.
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Presumably wiskotti, Kyrgyzstan, per. Dolon, 2800m, 19.07.2004
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Buryatia, Seoenginsky district, Shchuchye ozero, 17.07.1986. Lucifer?
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18.01.2012 23:36, RippeR

the last female is Kyrgyz. messages

18.01.2012 23:54, RippeR

Cupido alaina ? hr. Petr-1, Jirgital district, Muksu river, ~2500m, 7.6.2011
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I have no idea who. In the only ext at all. Khorog, Suchan, ~3800m, 18.7.2011
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Presumably aeto, if you can say anything at all about such an ex smile.gif
Darvaz, per. Haburabad, lower reaches of the outpost, 4.07.2011
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19.01.2012 1:52, lepidopterolog

1. The first one is Boisduvali, the second one, in my opinion, is more like erotides. Where did the belly go? smile.gif
2. wiscotti
3. lucifer
4. alaiana
5. argus pamirus
6. at least this is a certain Rhymnaria, similar to aeto, but maybe carbonaria, here you need to cook without options.
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19.01.2012 2:17, RippeR

1-this is what I got. They are indeed slightly different, but not by much.
5-height 3800, there should not be arguses there. All the spots on the underparts are shiny. In addition, in hoite collected poured argus (which may also be not argus), which on the underside of all the glitters nebylo, and others they are, in general, not everything is so smooth.
6-it also looks like a submontana. you'll have to cook it too)

19.01.2012 2:34, lepidopterolog

5. Well, excuse me, where is the Horog and where is the Hoit smile.gifFrom the argus group beast exactly, another thing is what kind of taxon. Of course, not everything is smooth, all over the range of kagbe arugsa not everything is smooth smile.gif
6. And on the submontana, too. Get some lye, be a man! smile.gif
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19.01.2012 9:57, RippeR

You mean the whole family isn't going so well?"
And the group is clearly not Christofi smile.gif

20.01.2012 16:49, lepidopterolog

Callophrys paulae on a forage plant-Onobrychis cornuta. Armenia, eastern shore of Lake Baikal Sevan, Shahdag ridge, 27. V. 2010.
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22.01.2012 0:21, Mari2104

Help***

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22.01.2012 0:34, Alexandr Zhakov

Help***

You'd better help me.
Upload the image directly to the forum and indicate where and when it was taken.
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22.01.2012 3:33, RippeR

I assume the photos were taken not far from Kursk )
7990 - most likely argyrognomon
76b5a - Glaucopsyche alexis, an interesting specimen
14827 - Aricia agestis
aba35, 30017d - Lysandra coridon
c80cb - Polyommatus icarus
46cd7c, 24dc2a - Plebeius argus
3d41d - Cyaniris semiargus
8d5b9 - Polyommatus amandus
4337e2 - same as alexis
88993f1 - most likely icarus

22.01.2012 6:26, Yakovlev

We continue to blue
what I defined as boydyuvali. Altai Krai, Charysh-Belaya Inya River district, 600-800 m, 7-8. V.

This species is not found in May!
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22.01.2012 12:34, PG18

The second one looks more like eros boisduvalli.

I don't think the two are alike. boisduvalli, if I'm not mistaken, has almost no brilliant dusting on the bottom of the z.kr. ..

22.01.2012 13:58, bora

We continue to blue
what I defined as boydyuvali. Altai Krai, Charysh-Belaya Inya River district, 600-800 m, 7-8. V.

This species is not found in May!

boiduvalii is not a species, it is only a lowland subspecies Polyommatus eros

This post was edited by bora - 22.01.2012 14: 00

22.01.2012 17:38, Mari2104

photographed in the southern part of the Kursk region on June 6
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22.01.2012 17:46, Alexandr Zhakov

photographed in the southern part of the Kursk region on June 6

This is Aricia eumedon, another combination of Eumedonia eumedon.
Try posting photos directly to the forum.
I see you have a lot of questions smile.gif, and it will be much more convenient to answer them.

22.01.2012 19:38, rhopalocera.com

Aricia and Eumedonia are completely different genera.

22.01.2012 19:47, Alexandr Zhakov

I totally agree. smile.gif
eumedon - one.
And the number of births where it is placed is probably 5, no less.
And where it should be, many people have different opinions.
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22.01.2012 20:30, bora

I totally agree. smile.gif
eumedon - one.
And the number of births where it is placed is probably 5, no less.
And where it should be, many people have different opinions.
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Here is a cladogram of some pigeons, both by genitals and by genes (mitochondria + nucleus). Where is Aricia and where is eumedon. According to all parameters, it turns out that Eumedonia is close to Cyaniris, and most likely is a separate genus.

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23.01.2012 17:47, Yakovlev

We continue to blue
what I defined as boydyuvali. Altai Krai, Charysh-Belaya Inya River district, 600-800 m, 7-8. V.
boiduvalii is not a species, it is only a lowland subspecies Polyommatus eros

Yes, that's probably true, but it doesn't happen in May. This is the July moth

27.01.2012 17:56, RippeR

Everything except opharsia-Darvaz, okr. per. Haburabad, zastava. 3-4. 07. 2011
Superfluya sp.
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Kretania eurypilus, I don't see any other options.
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? Athamanthia sogdiana
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Afarsia, Hoit 26.06.2011 in continuation of problematic butterflies.
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This is the end of the analysis of interesting pigeons from mattresses. There probably won't be enough pins for packages, so not soon )
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27.01.2012 18:31, lepidopterolog

1. Superflua only cook, I have Darvaza turned out recently described Churkin zabirovi.
2. Really not eurypilus very similar!!! where is it from?
3. Phoenicurusia margelanica
4. jurii probably, but in general it can be something new. Come on get ready for us and take all this stuff)
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27.01.2012 18:46, RippeR

2. Same place, Darwaz. Label at the beginning of the post. In total, I caught 2 pieces, both males, the second one has not yet been found.
3. How do you distinguish them? Ah at all understand not can-where atamantiya where Fenyakursiya!
A lot of material is accumulated for transportation )

This post was edited by RippeR - 27.01.2012 18: 55

27.01.2012 18:59, lepidopterolog

The female is clearly identified, and the male on Darvaz can be confused with sogdiana. I caught exactly the same margelanik a little lower than Haburobat. In general, Athamantia and Phoenicurusia reliably differ only in the genitals.
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27.01.2012 19:07, rhopalocera.com

1. Superflua only cook, I have Darvaza turned out recently described Churkin zabirovi.
2. Really not eurypilus very similar!!! where is it from?
3. Phoenicurusia margelanica
4. jurii probably, but in general it can be something new. Come on get ready for us and take all this stuff)



All the superfluxes described by Churkin have become synonyms.

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27.01.2012 19:11, lepidopterolog

Have you looked at genitalia? About zabirovi, I can say that this taxon is very clearly different in the form of valva and vinculum from deria - I caught and compared both those and those.
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27.01.2012 19:25, RippeR

lepidopterolog: so how do you distinguish females? I looked at the pictures of both and didn't understand smile.gifa damn thing

27.01.2012 19:36, rhopalocera.com

Let's talk in detail.

If you find in the above figures sufficient differences for breeding butterflies in different species (except for the already established branch of sassanides), I will reconsider the decision on synonymization. in the meantime, everything looks very sad for zabirova, etc.

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But this is just for reflection...

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27.01.2012 19:39, lepidopterolog

RippeR'у: You mean margelanik? By large spots on top and a developed orange pattern.

This post was edited by lepidopterolog - 27.01.2012 19: 40

27.01.2012 20:00, lepidopterolog

Let's talk in detail.

If you find in the above figures sufficient differences for breeding butterflies in different species (except for the already established branch of sassanides), I will reconsider the decision on synonymization. in the meantime, everything looks very sad for zabirova, etc.

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But this is just for reflection...

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In Eumaeini, males differ quite slightly in genitalia, as is known, so in this case, the shape of the valvae and the vinculum deria/zabirovi, if they are constants (and according to my material, it turns out that this is the case), can (and should!) consider it as a specific feature. I won't say anything about the rest in detail, because I haven't seen any material on these types.
I will only add that muksuria differs quite a lot from deria-zabirovi species in the shape of gnathos and the ratio of the lengths of individual parts of the genitals - so if you reduce it to sassanides/mirabilis, depending on your views on the rank of the latter taxon.

27.01.2012 20:01, RippeR

Judging by the amount of orange, this is clearly a female Sogdiana.

27.01.2012 20:11, rhopalocera.com

In Eumaeini, males differ quite slightly in genitalia, as is known, so in this case, the shape of the valvae and the vinculum deria/zabirovi, if they are constants (and according to my material, it turns out that this is the case), can (and should!) consider it as a specific feature. I won't say anything about the rest in detail, because I haven't seen any material on these types.
I will only add that muksuria differs quite a lot from deria-zabirovi species in the shape of gnathos and the ratio of the lengths of individual parts of the genitals - so if you reduce it to sassanides/mirabilis, depending on your views on the rank of the latter taxon.



In young groups, in general, the male genitalia do not work well. Female genitalia are absent in the original description. The extent of their variability is unlikely to be studied - and even relatively ancient groups have it. Based on my experience (there are a lot of cooked superflues from the Northern Tien Shan) - a form of valva. and even more so the vinculum-the signs are very variable. You can take all the transitions from triangular to semicircular valva - you get 10 species from one population smile.gif

27.01.2012 20:12, lepidopterolog

Judging by the amount of orange, this is clearly a female Sogdiana.

Oh, no, damn, it's a pity I don't have a camera right now, I would take a picture of those and those) In sogdiana, the spots on top are less pronounced + the anal lobe is not so huge) In general-learn to cook, pigeons rely on appearance in the last place)))
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27.01.2012 20:19, lepidopterolog

In young groups, in general, the male genitalia do not work well. Female genitalia are absent in the original description. The extent of their variability is unlikely to be studied - and even relatively ancient groups have it. Based on my experience (there are a lot of cooked superflues from the Northern Tien Shan) - a form of valva. and even more so the vinculum-the signs are very variable. You can take all the transitions from triangular to semicircular valva - you get 10 species from one population smile.gif

Of course, take the same agrodietuses.
I proceed from my experience with Callophrys (several hundred cooked specimens - I can say that both the shape of valvae and gnathos are constant, and especially the ratio of parts of the genitals to each other and the total length of the genitals are constant) and for the two mentioned species.
By the way, we still need to figure out what "deria" is from the Pamirs.

27.01.2012 20:22, rhopalocera.com

Of course, take the same agrodietuses.
I proceed from my experience with Callophrys (several hundred cooked specimens - I can say that both the shape of valvae and gnathos are constant, and especially the ratio of parts of the genitals to each other and the total length of the genitals are constant) and for the two mentioned species.
By the way, we still need to figure out what "deria" is from the Pamirs.


Exactly.

27.01.2012 20:23, RippeR

Only superficial people do not judge by appearance (c) Trollface. zhpg

04.02.2012 12:54, RippeR

Kyrgyzstan. Boom valley. Kok-Moynok-Kochkor road 1742-2100m 30.6-1.7.2009
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Afarsia sieversi ?gorana, Pamir, Khorog, Suchan, 18.07.2011, h~3800
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Thersamonia thersamon persica 15.07.2011, Darvaz, Kalai-Khumb, Panj River
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08.02.2012 12:16, Penzyak

Lucky photographers from the macro club to find this - pay attention to the date of the photo shoot!

http://macroclub.ru/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=76651
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08.02.2012 12:27, RippeR

We have a butterfly flying in August, with a warm summer, there may be a delay and probably even the 3rd generation or whatever it is.

08.02.2012 12:48, lepidopterolog

Optional third edition.

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