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03.01.2012 19:49, lepidopterolog

Nordmannia abdominalis, Armenia, Khosrov Nature Reserve, okr. Garni, June 2010.
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03.01.2012 19:50, lepidopterolog

And a PIECE of Oxythyrea sp. smile.gif

03.01.2012 20:02, lepidopterolog

N. spini melantho, Armenia, Khosrov Nature Reserve, okr. Garni, June 2010.
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08.01.2012 1:54, lepidopterolog

Tomares romanovi, Armenia, Noravank Gorge, 25. V. 2010
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09.01.2012 13:54, AGG

Can you tell me what kind / subspecies of raspberries lives in Abkhazia on the Bzyb ridge in the district of Otkhary?

09.01.2012 15:06, Valentinus

Callophrys chalybeitincta Sovinsky, 1905. All populations of the Greater Caucasus currently belong to the nominative subspecies.

This post was edited by Valentinus - 09.01.2012 15: 09
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10.01.2012 20:39, Valentinus

Can you tell me what kind / subspecies of raspberries lives in Abkhazia on the Bzyb ridge in the district of Otkhary?

Could you take a picture of your Avadhara raspberries? It may not be all that simple. The subspecies Callophrys chalybeitincta schamyl Sheldon, 1914 (
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12.01.2012 17:27, AGG

Could you take a picture of your Avadhara raspberries? It may not be all that simple. The subspecies Callophrys chalybeitincta schamyl Sheldon, 1914 was described from the Northwestern Caucasus. confused.gif

Avadhara-seems like a completely different placeconfused.gif. Edit if I'm wrong. I collected on the southern slope of the Bzyb (p)ridge h~900m in the vicinity of the village of Otkhara. As soon as I spread it out, I'll post it, and now a lot of other stuff is on fire weep.gif
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13.01.2012 9:36, Valentinus

Avadhara-seems like a completely different placeconfused.gif. Edit if I'm wrong. I collected on the southern slope of the Bzyb (p)ridge h~900m in the vicinity of the village of Otkhara. As soon as I spread it out, I'll post it, and now a lot of other stuff is on fire weep.gif

Thank you for the map! I thought you had a mistake in spelling sorry!

14.01.2012 2:54, RippeR

Requesting specialists! Something is not defined at all.
Tajikobad district, Daray-Nazarak Gorge, early June. Suspicion of Plebejides. Suggestions that this is an icarus-like beast are not accepted smile.gif
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I will not write the label so as not to confuse.Tajikistan, June. In appearance, Plebejides klausrosei, but can also be patriarchus.
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Karachay-Cherkessia, Arkhyz, Abishira-Akhuba, ~2500m boisduvalii?
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With farsiyami in general, a complete mess, I think I'll have to suffer some more, for starters, a couple from the Pamirs, Khorog, Suchan, 18.6.2011, ~3200m
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14.01.2012 3:52, lepidopterolog

1-for me so pure water zephyrinus, why would he fuck. Peter I don't go in from Tien Shan
2-klausrosei
3-eros tshetverikovi
4-such a strange iris at first glance. I have not yet got my hands on your tarshish, although I have straightened them out) I'll make it as soon as I can.
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14.01.2012 4:28, RippeR

There was an opinion about zephyrinus, but somehow I rejected it for the areas.
Klausrosei cool! It's a pity I only caught a couple of pieces, although I haven't watched the second one yet, it's really quite bad. Dima seems to have caught 1-2 too.
Are you sure about Chetverikov? Confused by the clear large dots on the rear edge of the rear wings. For one copy. faint black border on the upper wings.
Irises generally pop full! From different places, different colors of the undergarments, different tops, the pattern is slightly different, I was confused in the beginning on the spot, and now I don't know what to think. All sorts of ashrets, rutilans, yurchiki, irises and all in different ways with species-subspecies. I feel you will have to do a revision sooner or later smile.gif

14.01.2012 4:40, RippeR

Pamiria chrysopis (Grum-Grshimailo, 1888)
circa Gilandy, h~4100, 20.07.2011
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14.01.2012 13:35, lepidopterolog

There was an opinion about zephyrinus, but somehow I rejected it for the areas.
Klausrosei cool! It's a pity I only caught a couple of pieces, although I haven't watched the second one yet, it's really quite bad. Dima seems to have caught 1-2 too.
Are you sure about Chetverikov? Confused by the clear large dots on the rear edge of the rear wings. For one copy. faint black border on the upper wings.
Irises generally pop full! From different places, different colors of the undergarments, different tops, the pattern is slightly different, I was confused in the beginning on the spot, and now I don't know what to think. All sorts of ashrets, rutilans, yurchiki, irises and all in different ways with species-subspecies. I feel like you'll have to do an audit sooner or later smile.gif

1. P. z. usbecus from the Tien Shan is closest in its range to the cr. P. I, and it may be entering.
2. Very happy for you smile.gif
3. I'm quite sure, but do you think it's meoticus?
4. Irises of the priest, I agree, I was confused by the dark color of the underparts, but for Z. The Pamirs are brown only toffee and rose. It is necessary to understand, it also seems to me that everything is far from smooth there.
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14.01.2012 13:59, lepidopterolog

By the way, slightly soaked pigeons (like everyone else, however) can be injected with a little ammonia in the chest, after which, after holding another hour or two in the desiccator, they can be straightened-the muscles will finally soften and there will be no creases on the wings.
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14.01.2012 14:57, RippeR

1. So inapisalal. Let it be until someone understands in detail.
3. I thought that the boydyuvali, but there are doubts about all 3 types. the underside is like a meoticus, and the top is like a boyduvali. True, the size is probably still not his. Later I will put up more Altaian ones, they probably boydyuvali, larger and brighter undersides. And I looked at the distinctive features of the Ace, and I came out on them, which is why there are so many doubts.
4. The fact is that only he is given, and the animals are slightly different-and even different from those from Darvaz and those from Hoit. It'll be a little clearer when I get everyone sorted out.

thank you, I'll get some ammonia )

14.01.2012 15:29, lepidopterolog

1. You don't have one, I hope?) Bring it back next time you visit, we'll figure it out)
3. There is no buaduvali in the Caucasus, it is a steppe species. Meoticus has a narrow black border, and your butterflies have a wide one. Tuzov (book smile.gif) you should not trust unconditionally, there are many views in the color tables mixed up. And in Altai, eros is most likely.
4. I am sure that there is more than one taxon of brown Farsians living there. Also bring the rest, and I'll start razgr* * * those that you gave me. On Hissar-Darvaz, another 3-4 species of brown flies, they certainly differ from iris)
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14.01.2012 15:33, lepidopterolog

Wow, it turns out the forum automatically puts asterisks in the second half of the word "razgr***" eek.gifOK, next time I'll use synonyms smile.gif

14.01.2012 15:47, rhopalocera.com

Afarsia Zhdanko, 2011 this genus is now called.

14.01.2012 15:50, lepidopterolog

Yes, out of habit I wrote, I apologize smile.gif

14.01.2012 16:00, RippeR

1. Unfortunately alone. Of these butterflies, there were only 3 - 2 clausrosea and 1 zephyretia. What Dima has I don't know, what kind and how much-like 1-2, most likely klausrosei (I don't remember the quality either, like 1 was good)
3. I am guided by the Ace, since I no longer know why, so here I ask you to confirm / clarify
4. Yes, that's it! I'll bring it back someday)

14.01.2012 16:07, RippeR

Plebejus christophi ssp. (you can also call it samudra rognedus or roxane), since everyone has a different classification smile.gifslightly aberrant
Tajikistan, Jirgital district, Peter-1, 29.5.2011
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14.01.2012 16:11, rhopalocera.com

apharsia in the photo-A. ashretha upper, A. iris lower. For comparison, the type of iris is added. Unfortunately, I didn't find the type of ashreta offhand, but the differences are clearly visible in the above pictures.

Klausrosei, if from Yu. The Hissara locale is getting knocked out, very interesting. I hope there will be an article smile.gif.

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14.01.2012 16:16, rhopalocera.com

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14.01.2012 16:19, rhopalocera.com

Plebejus christophi ssp. (you can also call it samudra rognedus or roxane), since everyone has a different classificationsmile.gif: aberrant
Tajikistan, Jirgital district, Petr-1, 29.5.2011
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in this group, pussy should be pulled, it's better not to risk it in appearance - there are a lot of convergent similarities, the environment still strongly imposes an imprint. and it would be even better to make a note - but here you need to clearly understand who is caught, otherwise it will turn out like Walberg with haylofts :D

14.01.2012 16:20, lepidopterolog

ashretha now kind of? I thought it was a subspecies of iris. Described by the way Evans with Chitral, so imho not the fact that on Z. It is he who lives in the Pamirs.
I do not claim that this is an uzbekus, but imho the butterfly belongs to the zephyrinus group.

This post was edited by lepidopterolog - 14.01.2012 16: 22

14.01.2012 16:21, rhopalocera.com

According to the upper one (which is suspected to be plebeiides), I would say that this is icadius. Cook the genitals-then you will clearly see whether it is Polyommatus or Plebejides.

14.01.2012 16:23, rhopalocera.com

ashretha now kind of? I thought it was a subspecies of iris. Described by the way Evans with Chitral, so imho not the fact that on Z. It is he who lives in the Pamirs.
What about P. ? zephyrinus What do you think?



Ashreta has always been kind. Chikolovets lowered it into subspecies - in this regard, it is better to trust professionals, not philatelists. V. A. Lukhtanov considers ashretu a species - even described a subspecies from the ROC. Dushanbe (A. ashretha dushanbe)
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14.01.2012 16:28, rhopalocera.com

  
I do not claim that this is an uzbekus, but imho the butterfly belongs to the zephyrinus group.



see the locus lectotype above. If we assume that this is plebeiides, then the closest we get is patriarchus.

14.01.2012 16:38, RippeR

there are no black dots at the root of the forewings from the underside. It doesn't look like Terzit either. The underparts are generally too dark for any poliommats caught there. Caught it near klausroseyev. I.e. it's all the gorge Daray-Nazarak, Peter-1, height about 2500. At first I thought about the patriarch, but that one has a black border on top and spots at the edge of the rear wings, this one is clean on top.
I will not cook the genitals, because there is nothing to start with and it is better not to start with such butterflies smile.gifIf it remains a mystery, I will bring you a little bit to see.

14.01.2012 16:59, rhopalocera.com

there are no black dots at the root of the forewings from the underside. It doesn't look like Terzit either. The underparts are generally too dark for any poliommats caught there. Caught it near klausroseyev. I.e. it's all the gorge Daray-Nazarak, Peter-1, height about 2500. At first I thought about the patriarch, but that one has a black border on top and spots at the edge of the rear wings, this one is clean on top.
I will not cook the genitals, because there is nothing to start with and it is better not to start with such butterflies smile.gifIf it remains a mystery, I will bring you a little bit to see.



For example, the holotype of Polyommatus icadius candidus. Agree, there are no points either smile.gif. As with many other Polyommatus. This is not a sign.

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14.01.2012 17:17, lepidopterolog

Of course, not a sign, icarus is also smile.gifshorter without dots, we will wait for genitals. But I still bet on Plebejides wink.gifBut not patriarchus unambiguously. The first thought that flashed through my mind when I saw this butterfly (even before I read the text) was zephyrinus ordubadi smile.gif

14.01.2012 17:29, rhopalocera.com

then sephyrus semiturcmenicus.

14.01.2012 17:42, lepidopterolog

In Tuzov they write that this is a synonym for ordubadi, you give it in the catalog as a synonym for sephirus abchasicus Nekrutenko, 1975. Where is the truth? smile.gif

14.01.2012 17:50, rhopalocera.com

the truth is in the catalog. I got it all mixed up smile.gif
zephirinus Christoph or patriarchus.
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14.01.2012 17:59, rhopalocera.com

but still, the genitals will decide. in the meantime, this is fortune-telling on coffee grounds. are there any other instances? if it is the only one, then it may be an aberration.

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14.01.2012 18:04, lepidopterolog

Ripper says he's alone. Too harsh for an aberration of Icadius... Although anything can happen.

14.01.2012 18:06, rhopalocera.com

Aberrations are different. It is necessary to cook the genitals tongue.gif

14.01.2012 18:11, lepidopterolog

You can't argue) if I had it, I would have cooked it long ago, but we are waiting for it)

15.01.2012 1:35, RippeR

Thus, the absence of dots is accompanied by a slightly reduced drawing as a whole.
There are different aberrations, but this is not quite the case. It is necessary to cook, we are waiting for the summer or something )

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