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In my opinion, they are all light, some are more pronounced, others are weaker. I looked at pictures of my decimalis-there are both bright and weak ones, but the hind wings of all males are darkened along the edge.

Here is a brood male from the Astrakhan region.

and its cremaster is clearly visible three offshoots

And this is the cremaster Tholera decimalis from M. O., pos. Poplar, it can be seen that it has two processes. What should I do with this argument?

There is another option.Give the lepidopterologist (Anatoly Krupitsky) this male so that he can cook it and then everything can be clarified, but it will not be soon.

We still haven't applied yet.

I have enough petitioners

Don't be under any illusions, these are Ameles taurica females.

Thank you, you're right. I'm not very good at praying mantises - they're wingless, I thought in Bolivar). There is an ooteka, a small one-maybe I'll give it to someone who needs it

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What should I do with this argument?

I didn't know about the differences in pupae, if so, it turns out that everyone with darkening should be cooked...

Here is a brood male from the Astrakhan region
. and its cremaster three offspring are clearly visible
And this is the cremaster Tholera decimalis from the Moscow region, the village. Poplar, it can be seen that it has two processes. What should I do with this argument?
There is another option.Give the lepidopterologist (Anatoly Krupitsky) this male, so that he can cook it and then everything can be clarified, but it will not be soon.

Andrey, I think the question will be open before cooking copies. The preimaginal stages of Tholera have not been studied, and I have not found any information. It is necessary to look at decimalis from different places, maybe the number of processes is not a species-defining feature. I cooked my own, no questions, helped barko, in NE the genitals of the male Tholera hilaris are not very correctly depicted.
Small size, light wings in males. My opinion on lepiforum Tholera hilaris, only the first female. I didn't find where we discussed your first photos Tholera hilaris, then there was a small size and my definition as Tholera decimalis. it didn't pass.
The question is interesting, there is definitely a view on Yu. In the Urals and Southern regions of Russia and is already known from several locations in the south of Ukraine. We must now look at all the small and light Tholera.

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Andrey, I think the question will be open before cooking copies. The preimaginal stages of Tholera have not been studied, and I have not found any information. It is necessary to look at decimalis from different places, maybe the number of processes is not a species-defining feature. I cooked my own, no questions, helped barko, in NE the genitals of the male Tholera hilaris are not very correctly depicted.
Small size, light wings in males. My opinion on lepiforum Tholera hilaris, only the first female. I didn't find where we discussed your first photos Tholera hilaris, then there was a small size and my definition as Tholera decimalis. it didn't pass.
The question is interesting, the view is ambiguously there and in the South. In the Urals and Southern regions of Russia and is already known from several locations in the south of Ukraine. We must now look at all the small and light Tholera.

Then be patient

I thought I'd never see the Bulavousys again after this cold weather. But some don't give up ) 11.10.2015

Also Lycaena phlaeas 1 copy flew.

The last two days in the afternoon it was relatively warm +11. In the afternoon I saw a yellow egg, and an admiral on already frozen-growing-rotten plum fruits and a lot of tahini on flowers (I don't know what near the neighbor's house). At night I decided to turn on the lamp.And for good reason!!!I didn't think that at +6 (in autumn) they can still fly

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We also have the last two days, and also today it was warm. I was in the steppe yesterday, there were almost no daytime butterflies, only a single yellow fly and Issoria lathonia. But in the steppe, they have nothing to eat: only occasionally there are dandelions and here and there grudnitsy bloom (and so they almost all have already faded). And on a relatively cold Tuesday, I saw the admiral in the city.






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Night of 26.10.2015., Koroviy Yar village

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Night of 26.10.2015., Koroviy Yar village

Dustpans
Dasypolia templi
Asteroscopus sphinx
Moth moth
Colotois pennaria
Erannis defoliaria

Wave Storm, fresh latonia. It turns out that you have one more generation of them than we do. I saw the last one on October 3, pretty broken.

The question is interesting, there is definitely a view on Yu. In the Urals and Southern regions of Russia and is already known from several locations in the south of Ukraine. We must now look at all the small and light Tholera.

If it helps , here is a photo of decimalis and hilaris from the Omsk region (quick phone photos). I will also attach the hilaris preparation just in case

Thank you, Svyatoslav.
In the series, the differences are clearly visible, even in this photo.
For the drug, thank you too, this is undoubtedly hilaris, and then in NE a bad illustration, the lack of growth on the cuculus is confusing, but I have already been helped to understand.

What do you think about the left male?

What do you think about the left male?

T. decimalis pre -!
It is necessary to cook, but Sergey, Svyatoslav's series clearly shows that in males:
decimalis is larger, the general background of the forewing is brown, the veins are lighter than the background, the hind wings of males are darkened by an average of half.
hilaris - smaller, the general background of the forewing is black-gray, without brown, the veins are much lighter than the background, the impressions that are thicker and "swollen" look more voluminous, the hind wings are almost white with a slight darkening.

My Tholera was sent for delivery in Hungary, so soon Oleg will receive them and cook them.

T. decimalis pre -!

I asked because I was told the opposite opinion.
Someone would cook it and at the same time trisignata-latesco - something I still didn't understand which of them we have.

I asked because I was told the opposite opinion.
Someone would have cooked it, and at the same time trisignata latesco - I still don't know which of them we have.

Sergey, the one who expressed the opposite opinion should cook his small Luganskys, if he gets hilaris, then you will need to cook them too. If they don't cook it there, they'll give it to me, and I'll cook it.
As for Polymixis, there is only one species from this group in Ukraine. Once redefined in latesco, let it be, I cooked them there everything is very strange: males are typical latesco on NE, and females are closer to trisignata. Until an audit is conducted for this group, it is impossible to say for sure, only: "in my opinion". ))

... As for Polymixis, there is only one species from this group in Ukraine. Once redefined in latesco, let it be, I cooked them there everything is very strange: males are typical latesco on NE, and females are closer to trisignata. Until an audit is conducted for this group, it is impossible to say exactly, only: "in my opinion". ))

Based on the characteristics used to describe latesco, it is possible to describe a new new species from any population of trisignata

Wave Storm, fresh latonia. It turns out that you have one more generation of them than we do. I saw the last one on October 3, pretty broken.

I don't even know how many generations they have in total. We still have them in the second half of March.

Then maybe more than one. But what's more is a fact. We don't have any fresh latonias at this time of year. In the atlas "Denny meteliki" it is indicated that on the server of Ukraine 2-3, in the south-3-4.

Then maybe more than one. But what's more is a fact. We don't have any fresh latonias at this time of year. In the atlas "Denny meteliki" it is indicated that in the north of Ukraine there are 2-3, in the south - 3-4.

This is one of a series of declines in the number of swallowtails
Interseno, how does Donetsk differ from Kherosna in such a radical way? Well, it is clear what, but this is not for this topic, but in terms of the amount of eff. T Donetsk differs very slightly, and acc. it is very doubtful that there were any other dates and number of generations of Latonia. Yes, and those latonii that are found now-there are both frayed and not very, so it's not a fact that this is some kind of later generation, IMHO the same ones that hatched in September...

Today I saw a bunch of different egg yolks, whiteflies, and such fresh and beautiful egg yolks - is this also a later generation? ))

Then maybe more than one. But what's more is a fact. We don't have any fresh latonias at this time of year. In the atlas "Denny meteliki" it is indicated that in the north of Ukraine there are 2-3, in the south - 3-4.

The Bryansk region borders the north of Ukraine. Latonia fly all season, often numerous. It seems that there is a continuous playback pipeline, and you can find copies of various degrees of shabbiness nearby. To illustrate, there are 3 snapshots from the archive, dates in the file names.

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Honestly, Hierophis, I can't believe it! I was walking on the sands outside the city yesterday and didn't see anyone, and it was cold, but you have both whiteflies and jaundice. Although the time for saffron yellows is right now, at this time they are in large numbers in cities, probably because there are more flowers in cities now than in the steppe. But I didn't see any butterflies in the city either.

Yes, full of yolks, and this is despite the fact that there are no flowers, and the fact that I somehow did not look for them at all, but.. of course, I took a ride today for 30 kilometers outside the city, and if, for example, I went out of the house like that, which is also essentially outside the city, then I doubt that I would see a yellow egg After all, "full" now is for example, 10 butterflies per trip, after all, it's not summer anymore, you need to walk away and longer ))
On the other hand, on a fishing trip a couple of days ago, although I was kil. for 15 from home, but I was basically sitting in one place near the water, so they flew in to drink water and golubyanki and belyanki and zheltushki, despite the cold)

The Bryansk region borders the north of Ukraine. Latonia fly all season, often numerous. It seems that there is a continuous playback pipeline, and you can find copies of various degrees of shabbiness nearby. To illustrate, there are 3 snapshots from the archive, dates in the file names.

Nolik, you know, ENO-he's an expert, it's enough for him not to see latonias in the ditch behind his house, and that's all, it's enough to conclude that they "don't have fresh latonias at this time of year." Not everyone is given this, you have to put up with it

Nolik, I don't see any contradictions: most likely, you have the same generation of latonia, which completely gives up in September - early October, appears later and therefore dies later. Indirectly, this confirms the battered nature of the average instance - clearly not the first youth. We have never seen these butterflies, and even in perfect condition, in late autumn. Belyanok watched. Nymphalides watched. But mother - of-pearl-never. It is not for nothing that they write everywhere about the latitudinal gradient in the number of generations.

The last jaundice (like hiale, but the exact definition of them is beyond the control of a mere mortal, at least to me) was observed no further than yesterday. This is despite the fact that the temperature was +2 at noon, and in the shade the frost did not melt until the evening.



About the need to travel further away - this is just a saying of Roma (or a religious mantra?). The butterfly in the photo was sitting in the schoolyard on a mown lawn - one of the few places where flowering plants are available this fall. But further away, and especially further away-the bolt, because there everything is empty at the end, you will not see a green blade of grass, let alone a flower.

Related question: has anyone seen lemongrass plants in the fall? Or are they still moving into the range since the summer? It's just an imbalance: there are always plenty of them in the spring, but not a single one in the fall.

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Belyanok watched. Nymphalides watched. But mother - of-pearl-never.

So, he said as he cut it off - "the nymphalid watched, but there were no mother-of-pearl flowers" )))
Giale you could hardly see at this time, it was crocea / erate, but as for the mowed, yes ischo and school lawns, then yes, who is closer )

in Kiev lemongrass flew in early october

I also saw it, at the end of September, together with erate, I met

Related question: has anyone seen lemongrass plants in the fall? Or are they still moving into the range since the summer? It's just an imbalance: there are always plenty of them in the spring, but not a single one in the fall.

In 2013, I observed G. rhamni on November 6 , which is a "late" date. In October, mostly at the beginning, it comes across regularly, if the weather allows (this year, the last date of my observations is October 4; soon after that, we had a cold spell). But all these are isolated instances. I believe that the main part of butterflies goes to estivation already at the end of September, only some "crazy" ones come across later.

When I made my last day's outing,which was on October 4, lemongrass was plentiful,with males and females flying equally. There were also latonias, but they were pretty well flown.

Today I found larvae and a female rhino in pine sawdust. Can adults be bred from larvae?

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Related question: has anyone seen lemongrass plants in the fall? Or are they still moving into the range since the summer? It's just an imbalance: there are always plenty of them in the spring, but not a single one in the fall.

I don't agree on the account of the imbalance. 2010, October 22-26 (somewhere in these days ), Yenakiyevo Gonepteryx rhamni 10+.

Thank you, gentlemen, for the information on lemongrass. But so far, all these cases are from more northern regions, where the population density is higher and "feeding time is shorter". And with nectarines in the fall, how are things? This year we have almost none of them (since the end of August), in other, wetter years, there are usually so-called "autumn suffocations" - but this is not the same as in summer and spring. I read in pedivikia that lemongrass is unusual in that it can fall into and out of dapause at any time of the year. and repeatedly. So, I think, can a butterfly be guided by the abundance of food? Like, if the bloom is good-it remains active until late autumn, if it is bad in the summer-in hibernation, such as the uterus of some bumblebee species. In the spring, when supplies are running out, and it's time to lay eggs and die, you want or not, but you have to fly out in any case, which is why it always comes across at this time of year and in large quantities. Do you think this version is viable? Although, probably, this is already offtopic. But about the yolks is not offtop: Roma categorically stated that my yolk can only be Crocea or Erate. But, as far as I know, in these species, the males have a rich color and a solid black border on the front wings. We have such butterflies in the fall come across very rarely, probably one in a hundred pale with light windows on the tops of the wings. And these pale ones are individuals of both sexes, which is quite obvious from the fact of their mating. So what could it be? The more I look at these egg yolks, the more I am convinced that it is impossible for a mere mortal to understand them on the basis of appearance alone.

P.S. When I typed the above, there was no message Nick444444 yet. And how was it with the flowering there at that time?

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And how was it with the flowering there at that time?

There were a lot of flowers in the village near the park (some purple), but all the lemongrass trees that I saw were in flight and did not land and flew from the park.

My Tholera was sent for delivery in Hungary, so soon Oleg will receive them and cook them.

Received, cooked ...