Caucasus, Ciscaucasia and Transcaucasia

Post 9475, if you don't understand. If before this conversation was about trends, then in this post you went on to discuss my personal affairs and actions, and began to give me advice.

Listen, and you probably didn't discuss the specific fact of personal affairs that caused the shit to go down here before?

  
Are you absolutely sure that this man caught 100 specimens of the same species for scientific research, and not to satisfy his own vanity?

You are a banal bore, with a claim to the highest values. You don't have to answer any more questions.

Obviously, a person has a certain kind of problem...
Another anonymous demagogue on the forum has become more. Read carefully (as many times as you need to remember and understand ?)before you start littering the thread with your nonsense. what is written, and then... And it is better not to write anything at all.
Where did you see references to the Red Book and butterfly conservation in my messages? In the first message, I implicitly expressed my attitude to the mass catch for sale. Secondly, he expressed confusion about the expediency of having such a huge series in his collection (trapper and I had mutual friends who brushed off my attacks on his commercial preferences). And your "hit - and-run" about constant fishing in the places of its permanent habitat-our company winds up 20-30 thousand km in a year on trips for butterflies, mainly during holidays. It may seem strange to you, but we also work 11 months a year and during this period it is problematic to catch further than at the dacha.
I'm not saying that it's much more useful to thoroughly explore your region than to make one-time trips to other regions, although this is less interesting.

By car? This is how much gasoline you burn! The damage from exhaust gases is rather big. The load on nature is additional. Does this not bother your company?

This post was edited by barko - 15.05.2012 12: 40

By car? This is how much gasoline you burn! The damage from exhaust gases is rather big. The load on nature is additional. Does it not bother your company?

It bothers you. Because gasoline, bitch, expensive In confidence, I will say that some individuals allow themselves to use the car as a generator. But, for the sake of justice, I should note that a car of the Euro-5 class, unlike a generator of the Euro-0 class, therefore, probably, the harm is less...
Well, and, for the sake of justice, I should note that Sergey probably counted 20-30 thousand km for butterflies, including the plane to the place of fishing and back

Well, and, for the sake of justice, I should note that Sergey probably counted 20-30 thousand km for butterflies, including the plane to the place of fishing and back

Then it doesn't matter at all. Under the runways and landing strips for airplanes, how many good biotopes have already been irrevocably reduced and are still being reduced... And if from the plane and to the plane, and then through the gullies on the car kerogazit ...

Gentlemen, stop arguing.Here on 188 pages. the guys found a polyxena station in the Moscow Region and no one noticed it....

And what is the northernmost point of polyxena discovery in Europe?

And what is the northernmost point of polyxena discovery in Europe?

Finds are known from near Vladimir.

Finds are known from near Vladimir.

Vladimir is not north of Nizhny Novgorod. I would even say almost 20 minutes south

Yeah. the north turns out for us. artemivskiye Luga is practically within the city limits.

Why 500? Just over 100 years ago, Lukhovitsy, Zaraysk, and Alpatyevo belonged to the Ryazan province.
UPD: by the way, until now the coats of arms of Dankov and Zaraysk, among other Ryazan cities, are flaunted in the form of bas-reliefs on the Ryazan Wedding Palace, the former building of the Noble Assembly.

Read carefully!A connoisseur of history.I wrote about Kolomna.

Interesting went and went...even the reports were forgotten

Read carefully!A connoisseur of history.I wrote about Kolomna.

Interesting went and went...they even forgot about the reports

I don't see anything to argue about. If anything, Lukhovitsy and Alpatievo are located in the Kolomenskiy district. And what does a history expert have to do with it?
How nervous everyone was...

Entalex, well, about a 50 kg backpack on podemah not nada to lie

In general, I concluded for myself, including participating in other disputes about catching animals from nature, that it is mainly about ETHICS, in this case about ethics in entomology and collecting.
In principle, at the scale in which insect collecting is now developed, even a commercial catch will not greatly shake the balance. So tcho voros remains only in ethics and morals.

There was a question in my direction about what I catch for food straight-winged, tin Any naturalist understands that the population of any, even mass, daytime butterflies is numerically less than mass straight-winged. I catch, for example, 50 straight-winged birds for food, while I am guided solely by the mass of the species, so I catch them in a patch of 1-2 meters of quakdrats with the total area of the biotope... well, it is clear that huge.
At the same time, if I wanted, for example, to catch 50 pigeons that were flying during the period of catching straight-winged birds, I would have to walk around the entire station all day, and it's not a fact that I would have caught 50 pigeons.
And at the same time, it is only a fact that having caught 50 decticuses and locusts on a patch in 2m kv, I withdraw some near-zero value from the station's gene pool, and I do this not selectively, I do not choose the largest and most unusual ones.
And if I collected 50 pigeons, I would remove a decent percentage from the station's gene pool! Butterflies then would have remained there, and quickly restored their numbers on the principle of reactivity, but the impact on their evolution was already large-scale, maybe as a result of such fishing, a new species will not be born, which was born in this station))))

Well, the ethical question - why do I need these 50 pigeons? So that they rot in a box for me and my friends? And no one else will know about it.
Well, okay, if I'm going to publish something, but I don't publish anything for the sake of principle )))
But 50 straight-winged siestas in a week what a thread the toad will be happy about. I will let her out later, and she will tell her friends how she was fed ))))

It is bad when there is a gap of misunderstanding between collectors and entomologists and specialists/professionals...
This is especially true for rare species - for example, a collector caught a rare insect in the N. region and hid it in his collection... without even informing interested researchers... So it will disappear in his stomach, eaten by leatherworms and moths to no avail... There are a lot of facts. Or other garbage - a collector will catch a bunch of rare species in a certain territory... you ask nafiga so to that? Molchit... yak that partisan... Ugh, that's disgusting.

Here is a brief report on my last trip to the south-east of the Penza region:
http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtop...0&#entry1321690

Entalex, well, about a 50 kg backpack on podemah not nada to lie

Cho, are your knees shaking?
The volume of the backpack is 120 liters., it weighed 27 kg before the route, and then it was half full of food-canned food, cereals, chocolate, gas cylinders for the burner. We also carried 11 liters of acetic acid. So, fotkay better snakes.

And what is the northernmost point of polyxena discovery in Europe?

You have in Tatarstan, it seems =)

I don't see anything to argue about. If anything, Lukhovitsy and Alpatievo are located in the Kolomenskiy district. And what does a history expert have to do with it?
How nervous everyone was...

Paaaprasu! Lukhovitsy and Alpatievo are located in the Lukhovitsky district!

And in general: there are three capitals in Russia-Moscow, St. Petersburg, Lukhovitsy!!!

Cho, are your knees shaking?
The volume of the backpack is 120 liters., it weighed 27 kg before the route, and then it was half full of food-canned food, cereals, chocolate, gas cylinders for the burner. We also carried 11 liters of acetic acid. So, take better pictures of snakes.

Entalex, you're cool! Did you carry the backpack yourself, or did you carry it together? )))))

Despite my attitude towards merchants, I can't deny that they bring much more benefits, because it is very difficult to catch everything that is of interest without resorting to their services. So if you caught a hundred copies on an exchange/sale, it would be, in my opinion, much more reasonable.

I think there is a veiled "justification" of commercial activity hidden here, I think for a reason

Paaaprasu! Lukhovitsy and Alpatievo are located in the Lukhovitsky district!

And in general: there are three capitals in Russia-Moscow, St. Petersburg, Lukhovitsy!!!

I'm sorry, I was wrong. Sprinkle ashes on my head

Polixena (on the question of northern points) was caught in Chuvashia in the Trans-Volga region, near Cheboksary, the latest information I have from the mid-1990s. True, the one who caught it told me about the imminent supposed destruction of the biotope in connection with either construction or something else.

You have in Tatarstan, it seems =)

We have the northernmost point in which I caught polyxene is 56 gr. 2 min. n.
(Vysokogorsky district, one kilometer north of the village of Mal. Bitamans). It seems to me that the northern border will be either in the Bor district of the Nizhny Novgorod region, or in the Kilemarsky district of Mari-El in the area of 56 gr. 4 min n.

We have the northernmost point in which I caught polyxene is 56 gr. 2 min. n.
(Vysokogorsky district, one kilometer north of the village of Mal. Bitamans). It seems to me that the northern border will be either in the Bor district of the Nizhny Novgorod region, or in the Kilemarsky district of Mari-El in the area of 56 gr. 4 min n.

Roughly speaking, in the HDI, the polyxene distribution boundary is 56 degrees ssh. Vladimir-N. Novgorod - Cheboksary.

Roughly speaking, in the HDI, the polyxene distribution boundary is 56 degrees ssh. Vladimir-N. Novgorod - Cheboksary.

Vladimir-N. Novgorod - Cheboksary is all the right bank of the Volga River. Does it not fly to the left bank and climb along the left tributaries of the Volga?

Gennady Shemberger, what kind of runner do you have in the pictures that doesn't look very much like a yellow-bellied one?

The color of the skids in your pictures is interesting, I also thought it was Sarmatian, so there is a lot of color, but in general it is very dark. We don't usually come across such people, only light ones.

And now to the topic, a brief report on today's trip to the Jemagat Gorge, KCR.
The weather, as always, broke all the forecasts of the Internet. Instead of the promised cloudy weather with a little rain, Teberda was met with sunshine and warmth throughout the trip.
Along the road flew swallowtails and cornflowers, day peacock's eye, whiteflies and dawns. Sometimes the mourning women flashed by.

Sergey, and at night on the light in these places caught?

Sergey, and at night on the light in these places caught?

There is a generator, but it is not possible to catch the light yet.
And according to observations, hawkmoth appear in Dombay from mid-July.

This post was edited by sergey nyu - 05/19/2012 20: 53

In general, the species composition of bombycoids in this place would be very interesting. Publish it in reports when you catch plz.

A short report on today's trip to the Gumbashi Pass and to Gudgora, KCR.
We left early in the morning from Stavropol with Dima Fominykh and Alexander Bondarenko, who had come to see me the day before, which allowed us to start the expedition at 6 am.
The previous day in Stavropol, otherwise as the day when "the heavenly waters opened" could not be called. The downpour of summer intensity poured for five hours instead of half an hour.
I thought that the trip was going to be disrupted, but in the morning it was overcast, but without rain, and we quickly left.
Beyond Nevinnomyssk, the sky began to lighten, and after Cherkessk, the sun-drenched mountains appeared in the distance. A good sign that did not deceive.
When they reached the pass, they set up the first series of traps.
View of the Rocky ridge from the pass.



Rocks turned as they went. Caught Carabus (Tribax) steveni, Carabus (Tribax) biebersteini and Carabus (Pachycarabus) koenigi.
Then we drove to Gudgora. As it turned out, there is a fairly passable (for "Niva") road.
From there, Dima and Alexander planned a week-long tour of the surrounding area.
Streams flowed everywhere and the entomofauna was much more interesting. All the same Carabus (Pachycarabus) koenigi were found under the stones, but also
Carabus (Cechenochilus) boeberi
Carabus (Archiplectes) edithae kabardensis, which greatly lifted the mood.
Some photos of animals caught at the foot of the mountain.


It's time to break up for a week.
The guys are going to move out to the first parking lot, and I'm going to go back.
The entomologist's backpack is heavy. In the background, in fact, the city of Gudgor.


On the way back, I stopped to turn some rocks along the road. But nothing particularly interesting came across.

I forced myself to write a report. Approximately from May 18 to May 25, the North-West Caucasus.
I couldn't bring myself to take a picture.....Although I took a tripod and a lens with me.Well, laziness attacked.The weather was good.We planned to arrive in the spring.And it turned out that it was already deep summer And I was still a little sick
Here is a list of barbels, I probably forgot something...
But damn, how hard it was to surprise yourself with fees!!!
Enoploderes sanguineum Fald
Fallacia elegans Fald
Alosterna tabacicolor ssp. caucasica Plav
Anoplodera rufipes Schall
Anastrangalia dubia ssp. distincta Tourn
Strangalia attenuata L
Rutpela maculata Poda
Stenurella jaegeri Humm
nigra L
Microcerambyx scopolii Fuessly
Glaphyra schmidti Ganglb
Callimoxys gracilis Brulle
Ropalopus macropus Germ
Anaglyptus simplicicornis Rtt
Plagionotus arcuatus L
Chlorophorus figuratus Scop
Xylotrechus rusticus L
Clytus arietis ssp. oblitus Roub
Mesosa curculionoides L
nebulosa F
Cribridorcadion holosericeum Kryn
Anaesthetis testacea F
Aegomorphus clavipes Schrank
Exocentrus lusitanus L
adspersus Muls
Tetrops gilvipes Fald
Saperda populnea L
Phytoecia cylindrica L
Theophilea subcylindricollis Hladil
Calamobius filum Rossi
Agapanthiella villosoviridescens Deg
Smaragdula violacea F
Agapanthiola leucaspis Stev

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A short report for June 09 and 11.
On the ninth, I picked up the guys from the Gumbashi Pass, KCR, where I dropped them last Saturday.
During the week, the catch turned out to be quite normal.
My share.


On June 11, he removed traps on Indysh and Dauta, KCR.
Upper sector - Gumbashi pass, the foot of Gudgora, middle and lower-two series on Indysh.

The upper-left corner is a continuation of the Indysh, the rest is a series by Date.

The upper sector is a continuation of the previous Downtrend series, while the lower sector is the second Downtrend series.

And some of the fees from Indysh for yourself.

Teberdinsky Nature Reserve. It's May here now.

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Not very thick, of course, but still...

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still. I caught katokala in the woods during the day...

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I caught it this afternoon right at work...

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Now I have straightened and measured it, this hawk moth has a wingspan of exactly 12 centimeters. The fact is that in the school atlas of butterflies by M. P. Cornelio, which I use, the wingspan of the oak hawk moth is 75-80 mm... And earlier, a long time ago, I caught oak hawks that were much smaller... And it was like a giant...

Brief report on testing traps in Adygea 16.06. and Arkhyz 23.06.
Arkhyz, Russian Academy of Sciences Observatory area, Carabus (Archiplectes) edithae markensis Gottwald, 1985, Carabus (Trachycarabus) sibiricus tscherkessicus Korge, 1964, Carabus (Tribax) constantinowi

Lower-Arkhyz, upper-Lagonaki, Carabus (Archiplectes) prometheus Reitter, 1887. Carabus (Archiplectes) edithae markensis Gottwald, 1985

Upper-Guzeriple neighborhood, lower-Lagonaki Carabus (Archiplectes) obtusus Ganglbauer, 1886, Carabus (Tribax) titan, Carabus (Archiplectes) reitteri, Carabus (Archiplectes) prometheus

In addition to the upper-left corner - the neighborhood of Guzeripl, Carabus (Archiplectes) obtusus .

Neighborhood of Guzeripl, Carabus (Archiplectes) obtusus .


This post was edited by sergey nyu-30.06.2012 16: 54

Not the Carabus (Trachycarabus) bosphoranus, ssp, а Carabus (Trachycarabus) sibiricus tscherkessicus Korge, 1964 .