Saturniidae

Loepa katinka, Cina

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Automeris tridens, Mexiko

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I looked through the entire forum on Saturnia, but I didn't find a photo of Caligula boisduvalii in nature. Filling in the gap. The female was photographed in Bychikha (Bolshekhekhtsirsky Reserve) on September 13 this year. By the way, why do you write Saturnia (Rinaca) boisduvalii? Even the caterpillar of this species is very similar to the caterpillar of Caligula japonica, and is very different from all the caterpillars of the genus Saturnia. And the genitals, too, I think.

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And they write Saturnia, because the Germans, led by saturniidchik Wolfgang Naessig, proposed a "simplified" system of Saturnia about 10-15 years ago, where all green caudates went to the genus Actias (along with Graellsia and African ones), and the rest of the ocellates without tails - almost all to the genus Saturnia. It's convenient. The fact that they have different genitals, caterpillars, cocoons, pupae-this is "not so important". And now they are trying hard to implement such a system. In other words, we have neither Eudia, nor Caligula, nor Rinaca, nor Neoris - all of which should be called Saturnia. And the fact that there are no apomorphies - so no one cares.

Epiphora elianae
Ambo, Ethiopia.

Saturnia pyretorum
Taiwan

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Well, I only have cocoons... while
the winter house

Do Saturnia pavoniella occur in Russia?

Do Saturnia pavoniella occur in Russia?

As far as I know, no.
The easternmost point of the range is the Transcarpathian region of Ukraine.

Spring has come, and the saturniums are flying.
From my August expedition to the Krasnodar Region, I brought two pyri cocoons, judging by their size, of different sexes. From November to February, they wintered in my refrigerator, and on February 3, they were placed in relative heat on the windowsill.
2 days later, late at night, while reading an article about protein kinase M, I heard an energetic rasp coming from the cocoon of a male. Is it really that fast? What if I get frosts at home? At the same time, I remembered Nabokov's somewhat imperfect story "Christmas" from the point of view of plausibility, in which some tropical Saturnia emerged from its cocoon only a few minutes after it was transferred from the cold to a warm room.
I sat over the cocoon for half the night - it's not every day that you get a chance to watch the largest moth in our fauna come out-reading articles and waiting for this miracle to appear to the people. However, the enthusiasm with which what was inside rushed out was noticeably weakened over time. The creature screeched violently against the front of the cocoon for a while, then took a breather that grew longer each time. Finally, my patience gave out, and I carefully cut off the top of the cocoon, expecting to see inside the prisoner who had failed to get out and was already irretrievably dried up. Instead, the shiny brown top of the chrysalis stared back at me from the hole. I don't even know what made her want to break through the cocoon so badly... A sort of neuro-neotenic seizure... However, then both pupae behaved calmly, and in the future they lay on my shelf for almost a month.
Yesterday morning, as I was getting ready to go to my lab and was about to leave the house, I noticed something moving out of the corner of my eye through the walls of the container in which the cocoons were lying. It was a male piri pushing through the hole I had once made in the top of the cocoon. I must say that I expected the release of Saturnium around these days, but not at this time - after all, it is known that nocturnae are usually hatched in the evening, and not in the late morning. I gave him my finger, which he clung to with unexpectedly tenacious and strong legs - and finally crawled all the way out on my hand. No matter how big or fat this moth was, its weight still surprised me a little. I put him on a curtain so that I could watch more easily, and armed myself with a camera. You can wait a little longer to get to the lab, because my hour-long delay there is unlikely to upset anyone very much. The moth sat where it had been planted, barely moving. Its shriveled wings, which trailed in crumpled pieces of cloth as it exited, slowly but surely filled with hemolymph, while the front wings seemed to spread out faster than the rear ones. At some point, the left front wing in the dynamics of its acquisition of shape lagged far behind the right, and then stopped altogether. What's it? Too dry air in the apartment, because of which this wing began to dry out before it took shape? I gently touch this wing with the tip of my finger - no, it is completely soft, it did not think to dry out. Was it some kind of blood clot in one of the major veins??? However, after some time, this wing still continued to expand, and finally caught up with the development of the right. The eye spots are already clearly visible on the wings that are taking shape, and narrow, scaleless stripes inside these spots, through which the light from the window penetrates. When the wings are almost filled with hemolymph, Saturnia lifts them vertically above her and begins to shake finely. Then, slightly disturbed by me, it crawls up almost to the ceiling, where it lies still with its wings folded at its sides. Let him sit there, but I can't put off leaving the house any longer.
Now I'm waiting for the female to hatch, which will probably take place in a few days. If she's hatched before I stab the male with ammonia, I might be able to get her to give me Grena.

This post was edited by Dergg - 03.03.2012 21: 21

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Can I have a photo of the cocoon?

If you successfully receive gren, what do you expect to feed?

1. The already empty cocoon of the male
2. Second cocoon, presumably female

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If you successfully receive gren, what do you expect to feed?

If you successfully receive a gren, I plan to sell it to someone who needs it more than me, and who will have something to feed the caterpillars. However, the chances of getting it are disappearing, since no one is being hatched from the second cocoon yet, and the released male will be starved as soon as he stops apathetically sitting in place - in order to avoid damage to the specimen.

1. The already empty cocoon of the male
2. Second cocoon, presumably female

Can I see how the cocoon is cut?

pictured female

Yes, indeed. Until now, I thought the female whiskers were even more faintly feathery...

Can I see how the cocoon is cut?

I cut off the very top, and dug up the hole so that I could see what was happening inside.

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Most likely, the female is also in the second cocoon. Males usually come out earlier.

Spring has come, and the saturniums are flying.
From my August expedition to the Krasnodar Region, I brought two pyri cocoons, judging by their size, of different sexes. From November to February, they wintered in my refrigerator, and on February 3, they were placed in relative heat on the windowsill.
2 days later, late at night, while reading an article about protein kinase M, I heard an energetic rasp coming from the cocoon of a male. Is it really that fast? What if I get frosts at home? At the same time, I remembered Nabokov's somewhat imperfect story "Christmas" from the point of view of plausibility, in which some tropical Saturnia emerged from its cocoon only a few minutes after it was transferred from the cold to a warm room.
I sat over the cocoon for half the night - it's not every day that you get a chance to watch the largest moth in our fauna come out-reading articles and waiting for this miracle to appear to the people. However, the enthusiasm with which what was inside rushed out was noticeably weakened over time. The creature screeched violently against the front of the cocoon for a while, then took a breather that grew longer each time. Finally, my patience gave out, and I carefully cut off the top of the cocoon, expecting to see inside the prisoner who had failed to get out and was already irretrievably dried up. Instead, the shiny brown top of the chrysalis stared back at me from the hole. I don't even know what made her want to break through the cocoon so badly... A sort of neuro-neotenic seizure... However, then both pupae behaved calmly, and in the future they lay on my shelf for almost a month.
Yesterday morning, as I was getting ready to go to my lab and was about to leave the house, I noticed something moving out of the corner of my eye through the walls of the container in which the cocoons were lying. It was a male piri pushing through the hole I had once made in the top of the cocoon. I must say that I expected the release of Saturnium around these days, but not at this time - after all, it is known that nocturnae are usually hatched in the evening, and not in the late morning. I gave him my finger, which he clung to with unexpectedly tenacious and strong legs - and finally crawled all the way out on my hand. No matter how big or fat this moth was, its weight still surprised me a little. I put him on a curtain so that I could watch more easily, and armed myself with a camera. You can wait a little longer to get to the lab, because my hour-long delay there is unlikely to upset anyone very much. The moth sat where it had been planted, barely moving. Its shriveled wings, which trailed in crumpled pieces of cloth as it exited, slowly but surely filled with hemolymph, while the front wings seemed to spread out faster than the rear ones. At some point, the left front wing in the dynamics of its acquisition of shape lagged far behind the right, and then stopped altogether. What's it? Too dry air in the apartment, because of which this wing began to dry out before it took shape? I gently touch this wing with the tip of my finger - no, it is completely soft, it did not think to dry out. Was it some kind of blood clot in one of the major veins??? However, after some time, this wing still continued to expand, and finally caught up with the development of the right. The eye spots are already clearly visible on the wings that are taking shape, and narrow, scaleless stripes inside these spots, through which the light from the window penetrates. When the wings are almost filled with hemolymph, Saturnia lifts them vertically above her and begins to shake finely. Then, slightly disturbed by me, it crawls up almost to the ceiling, where it lies still with its wings folded at its sides. Let him sit there, but I can't put off leaving the house any longer.
Now I'm waiting for the female to hatch, which will probably take place in a few days. If she's hatched before I stab the male with ammonia, I might be able to get her to give me Grena.

What is the situation with the second cocoon?

The hatching of the second piri has taken some time, even though the pupa is still alive. This is strange, because I kept both cocoons in the same conditions.

Maybe the humidity should be increased?

The hatching of the second piri has taken some time, even though the pupa is still alive. This is strange, because I kept both cocoons in the same conditions.

It can go for a second wintering period. Piri can do this.

Well, that would be very unfortunate. This means that now to get out of repeated wintering, you just need to put it in the refrigerator again for a while? Or do you need to keep it at room temperature all year, and make winter quarters obsolete in winter itself?

No comments!

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It can go for a second wintering period. Piri does.

.. like pavonia.

How to feed Argema mimosae caterpillars?

How to feed Argema mimosae caterpillars?

I found this on the Internet:
eucalyptus
Manchurian walnut
euphorbia
mimosa (probably can be replaced with white or even yellow acacia)

However, try to give a pear, plum, willow, privet, bird cherry. Suddenly, it will eat.

How to feed Argema mimosae caterpillars?

Rhus typhina

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Rhus typhina

And if you can't get sumac seeds?

Georgievsk, which is next to Min. By water?
You definitely need to grow sumac, take a closer look at the urban plantings. Try walnuts or Manchurian nuts if necessary.

The only place I've seen sumac is in det. garden No. 17, but the sumac there is affected by the mycelium of some mushrooms (they then grow on the stems), so I would not feed this sumac.
We need to wander around the city.

And one more question, do they eat a lot?

In my opinion - a lot)
The feeling that a goat is at home, and not a couple
of dozen caterpillars. And what kind of mycelium grows on the stems? Maybe it's just female inflorescences?
Like in this photo?
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/30/tary8.6/...92d_9269e43f_XL

Well, that would be very unfortunate. This means that now to get out of repeated wintering, you just need to put it in the refrigerator again for a while? Or do you need to keep it at room temperature all year, and make winter quarters obsolete in winter itself?

Now again in the refrigerator in 3-4 months. And better as in nature: in the fall.

In my opinion - a lot)
The feeling that a goat is at home, and not a couple
of dozen caterpillars. And what kind of mycelium grows on the stems? Maybe it's just female inflorescences?
Like in this photo?
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/30/tary8.6/...92d_9269e43f_XL

No, it is mushrooms that look like tinder boxes, snow-white in color.

This post was edited by Entomon-08.04.2012 14: 26

I decided not to suffer with Argema mimosae and bred Actias selene, more forage plants grow in the city (for example, full of willows). Now, questions about selenes:
1. What conditions do caterpillars need;
2. What conditions do cocoons need;
3. Is the normal price for a cocoon 300 rubles?

I decided not to suffer with Argema mimosae and bred Actias selene, more forage plants grow in the city (for example, full of willows). Now, questions about selenes:
1. What conditions do caterpillars need;
2. What conditions do cocoons need;
3. Is the normal price for a cocoon 300 rubles?

1. pear, plum (rosaceae are generally suitable), oak, willow

2. The conditions for cocoons are simple: the caterpillar forms a cocoon on the branches of the food plant. Only one" but " - create such conditions after pupation so that the butterfly has somewhere to spread its wings. Well, do not over-dry, spray the cocoons, do not keep them in the sun.

3. if you are going to trade, first estimate the scale. If you can ensure that a large amount is removed, then try it.
Here it should also be taken into account that not all cocoons can hatch butterflies. It's already like a lottery, but if you meet the basic requirements for the conditions of detention, you can get more imagos.

Mimosa caterpillars are said to be good eaters of large-leaved milkweed.

Selenes are very easily bred, but gus, especially the first age, do not tolerate crowding. They also don't eat young leaves. That is, it's not really possible to grow them until the middle or end of May. And in June-July, no problems. Butterflies are also very easy to mate, but they don't hang around the clock like pears, so it's easy to miss.

This post was edited by Euchloron-08.04.2012 22: 38

1. pear, plum (rosaceae are generally suitable), oak, willow

2. The conditions for cocoons are simple: the caterpillar forms a cocoon on the branches of the food plant. Only one" but " - create such conditions after pupation so that the butterfly has somewhere to spread its wings. Well, do not over-dry, spray the cocoons, do not keep them in the sun.

3. if you are going to trade, first estimate the scale. If you can ensure that a large amount is removed, then try it.
Here it should also be taken into account that not all cocoons can hatch butterflies. It's already like a lottery, but if you meet the basic requirements for the conditions of detention, you can get more imagos.

How long will the pupal stage last for purchased cocoons?