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20.11.2009 22:32, Liparus

Oh, my God, it's winter here... Happy people

Yes, it's just that Vladimir edited the photos so smile.gif wink.gifmuch that it starts to seem like an African 40 degree heat wave in the Crimea... teapot.gif

to Okoem:

With such new finds, I can't help but hope to catch your Crimean leaf beetle Cecchiniola platyscelidina (Jacobson, 1898)

http://www.biol.uni.wroc.pl/cassidae/Europ...tyscelidina.jpg

A representative of the only endemic beetle genus in the Crimea. An ancient, probably tertiary relic of the Crimean fauna.Cecchiniola platyscelidina, the only member of the genus Cecchiniola. This species is not found anywhere in the world, except in the Crimea. So far, it is known only from the foothill part of the Crimea: the vicinity of Simferopol (in the so-called "oaks" - a kind of Crimean forest-steppe; in the litter); the valley of the Alma River.
Since the description of this beetle (1908), only 16 specimens have been found.

This post was edited by Liparus - 11/20/2009 22: 33

21.11.2009 1:05, okoem

captolabrus
Health to your child!

40 degree heat wave in Crimea... teapot.gif
Arthur, you look like you're looking into water. On November 9, under the cliffs of Cape Toprakh-Kaya (Koktebel), a thermometer laid out in the sun gave out exactly +40 (and +22 in the shade). Fishing on this day almost did not work out, bo spent a lot of time lying on the beach shuffle.gif

View from Toprach-Kai
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Staphylin
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Zhurchalka
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Proterebia afra caterpillar
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Sunset over Koktebel
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21.11.2009 1:17, Kharkovbut

Yeees... it was necessary to go to the Crimea during quarantine, and not sit in dank Kharkiv for cooking genitals... weep.gif wink.gif

21.11.2009 1:38, Zhuk

I feel that I will soon leave Moscow for Crimea to live....I don't like the cold...
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21.11.2009 10:51, vasiliy-feoktistov

Yes, I look and envy white envysmile.gif, and at the very window there is already some pathetic snowball lying. But nevertheless, I'm not going anywhere permanently. What, then, is the joy of the first" snow-covered " insects?

21.11.2009 10:57, Yakovlev

I feel that I will soon leave Moscow for Crimea to live....I don't like the cold...

I hardly understand how people live in Moscow at all. Taking into account frequent trips to the west, I always try to avoid it-to fly through St. Petersburg. Just not to see the white stone. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone, but I've been to about 15 different capitals. Moscow of them is in second place from the end after Cairo. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone.
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21.11.2009 11:11, vasiliy-feoktistov

I hardly understand how people live in Moscow at all. Taking into account frequent trips to the west, I always try to avoid it-to fly through St. Petersburg. Just not to see the white stone. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone, but I've been to about 15 different capitals. Moscow of them is in second place from the end after Cairo. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone.

Yes, no, you didn't hurt anyone. I don't like this city myself. But what can you do: "This is my homeland!", and I live in the Moscow region, thank God. Which I am very happy about.

21.11.2009 12:14, Victor Gazanchidis

I hardly understand how people live in Moscow at all. Taking into account frequent trips to the west, I always try to avoid it-to fly through St. Petersburg. Just not to see the white stone. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone, but I've been to about 15 different capitals. Moscow of them is in second place from the end after Cairo. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone.

I don't agree. Moscow is an inhospitable city for visitors, as, indeed, most of the world's capitals are. The rhythm of life is very high, everyone is in a hurry somewhere, fussing, jostling. But for those who have lived here for a long time and fit in with the local conditions , life is no different from life somewhere in London or New York. The weather may be a little gloomy, but it's much worse in St. Petersburg. By the way, I have also visited most of the capitals in Europe and America, so there is information for comparison.
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21.11.2009 12:50, Victor Gazanchidis

And secondly, as a consequence, these Red Book creatures leave it whenever possible-some of them completely...

I feel that I will soon be left alone in Moscow to observe mass migrations of Muscovites. smile.gif

21.11.2009 12:55, vasiliy-feoktistov

And secondly, as a consequence, these Red Book creatures leave it whenever possible-some of them completely...

I feel that I will soon be left alone in Moscow to observe mass migrations of Muscovites. smile.gif

Yes, there are no migrations you will not observe (from my side, at least). Yes, something really did not rush there. confused.gif

21.11.2009 14:02, RippeR

Let's make a new capital of Russia from Krasnodar! And we will go for beetles on foot ))
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21.11.2009 14:28, Pleco

I'll dilute the topic a little with a related message smile.gif
On November 8, I was climbing into the Yalta area, I had to find out the situation with the freshwater crab, the poor guy completely climbed into the mountains because of the capital development of the river coasts... and even look for the endemic springberry Leuctra crimeana Zhiltzova. In general, everything planned was successful wink.gif

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21.11.2009 16:09, Liparus

I feel that I will soon leave Moscow for Crimea to live....I don't like the cold...

Me too,there is a butterfly fishing season from early spring to late autumn...

21.11.2009 16:17, Liparus


Staphylin
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I think Ocypus olens, I found one under the rocks when we camped on the mountain, when the bear was sitting over your head...there were 5 pieces of these staphylins and they were all dead(probably spring-like)..

And the size of what staphylin was cm 3, if not less than this red book type.

This post was edited by Liparus - 11/21/2009 16: 19
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21.11.2009 16:54, Victor Titov

I think Ocypus olens, I found one under the rocks when we camped on the mountain, when the bear was sitting over your head...there were 5 pieces of these staphylins and all the dead ones(probably the spring view)..
And the size of what staphylin was cm 3, if not less than this red book type.

No, it's not that simple! umnik.gif Ocypus (s) from the photo to determine-it's almost hopeless! It can even be Ocypus tenebricosus, for example. Size is not a defining feature. There are more than one species of these "giant" animals( http://www.zin.ru/animalia/coleoptera/rus/ocypus_g.htm ). I just caught Ocypus tenebricosus in Gelendzhik last year.

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 11/21/2009 16: 55

21.11.2009 18:22, Black Coleopter

Let's make a new capital of Russia from Krasnodar! And we will go for beetles on foot ))

And why not Lower Vasyuki?
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21.11.2009 18:27, RippeR

I don't know anything about Lower Vasyuki
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21.11.2009 18:32, Black Coleopter

see the novel "12 chairs"by I. Ilf and E. Petrov

21.11.2009 20:30, RippeR

12 stolyev watched a very long time ago, and I don't remember anything, but I'm already sick of his constant quoting )))

21.11.2009 21:05, Yakovlev

vomiting helps a lot from nausea
in addition, 12 chairs are more correct to read - there is such a way of learning the world reading

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21.11.2009 21:08, Victor Titov

12 stolyev watched a very long time ago, and I don't remember anything, but I'm already sick of his constant quoting )))

Andrew, you read it. Both of the film adaptations I know of are, to my taste, worse than the literary source. After all, we quote something, believe me, not a movie-a book.
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21.11.2009 21:13, Yakovlev

Thaler will send you a scan of 12 stools

21.11.2009 22:21, okoem

What, then, is the joy of the first" snow-covered " insects?

There are no problems with this. Forty minutes by trolleybus from Simferopol to the Angarsk pass - that's snow, frost, and skiers. smile.gif

Me too,there is a butterfly fishing season from early spring to late autumn...

Not exactly. From January to December. tongue.gif

And the size of what staphylin was cm 3, if not less than this red book type.

Yes, somewhere around 3 cm.
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21.11.2009 23:16, Egorus

After the last colorful reports, my report is almost black and white. smile.gif
Today we left from 17-00 to 19-00 to check for life in the field.
t-6-7 Life is still warm, but just a little.
They didn't catch any rarities, but they did get some fresh air. smile.gif
(Constipation region of Melit.district)
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22.11.2009 6:30, А.Й.Элез

see the novel "12 Chairs"by I. Ilf and E. Petrov
There are Old Vasyuki (as a renaming option for Moscow), and not the Lower Ones, in my opinion. In the Gaidai film adaptation, too, but I won't talk about the second film adaptation.

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 22.11.2009 06: 36

22.11.2009 13:29, entomolog

Ah, Old Vasyuki.)))
RippeR, read the book, please.
Maybe your childhood will become a little more carefree and joyful.

22.11.2009 13:52, RippeR

I don't want to when I started reading it, but I did a lot of it.. Well, not mine.
In addition, I have a lot of interesting things to read, but I don't have time for it and I'm not in the mood for it.

23.11.2009 21:18, palvasru4ko

I think Ocypus olens,I found one under the rocks when we camped on the mountain


So I won't name the source right away, and I didn't write it down anywhere... weep.gif(ALAS!). It was a collection of reports from some conference on" red book " insects. I don't have the book, they gave it to me to look through. There, in the text of one report, it was written that, they say, they dug around, studied, and it turned out that in the Crimea not Ocipus olens, but Ocipus curtipennis. And "olens" allegedly does not exist in the Crimea. As a person (the owner of the collection) I will meet, I will try to tell you in more detail-who, where and how it was found (if anyone is interested). I can't vouch for the adequacy and professionalism of the author of this discovery (if he reads it, don't be offended), but only for the reason that I don't remember his last name (ALAS!!!). But the fact that this was written, I remember "100%". I don't deal with beetles too closely, so that I can tell the difference between a barbel smile.gifand a bronzer ... But everything that concerns Crimea automatically attracts attention...

23.11.2009 22:02, Victor Titov

I think Ocypus olens, I found one under the rocks when we camped on the mountain, when the bear was sitting over your head...there were 5 pieces of these staphylins and all the dead ones(probably the spring view)..
And the size of what staphylin was cm 3, if not less than this red book type.

No, it's not that simple! umnik.gif Ocypus (s) from the photo to determine-it's almost hopeless! It can even be Ocypus tenebricosus, for example. Size is not a defining feature. There are more than one species of these "giant" animals( http://www.zin.ru/animalia/coleoptera/rus/ocypus_g.htm ). I just caught Ocypus tenebricosus in Gelendzhik last year.

So I won't name the source right away, and I didn't write it down anywhere... weep.gif(ALAS!). It was a collection of reports from some conference on" red book " insects. I don't have the book, they gave it to me to look through. There, in the text of one report, it was written that, they say, they dug around, studied, and it turned out that in the Crimea not Ocipus olens, but Ocipus curtipennis. And "olens" allegedly does not exist in the Crimea. As a person (the owner of the collection) I will meet, I will try to tell you in more detail-who, where and how it was found (if anyone is interested). I can't vouch for the adequacy and professionalism of the author of this discovery (if he reads it, don't be offended), but only for the reason that I don't remember his last name (ALAS!!!). But the fact that this was written, I remember "100%". I don't deal with beetles too closely, so that I can tell the difference between a barbel smile.gifand a bronzer ... But everything that concerns Crimea automatically attracts attention...

The question of the presence of Ocypus olens in the Crimea (and in general on the territory of Ukraine) has already been discussed at the forum, and Comrade stierlyz, whose opinion on this topic I absolutely trust, has dotted the i's. Here, at this link post 51 from 07.01.2007:
http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtop...50&#entry550380
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23.11.2009 22:51, Pleco

In the new edition, the CCU is no longer Ocypus olens, but O. curtipennis
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23.11.2009 23:04, Victor Titov

In the new edition, the CCU is no longer Ocypus olens, but O. curtipennis

But no changes were made in the Internet frown.gif
http://mail.menr.gov.ua/publ/redbook/redbo...5&fam=39&num=89
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23.11.2009 23:11, vasiliy-feoktistov

In the new edition, the CCU is no longer Ocypus olens, but O. curtipennis

That's really strange, but why reinvent the specific name??? confused.gif

23.11.2009 23:27, Egorus

A new edition of the CCU is about to appear.
There are still lists of what to turn on and what to turn off.
http://zakon.rada.gov.ua/cgi-bin/laws/main.cgi?nreg=z0627-09
http://zakon.rada.gov.ua/cgi-bin/laws/main.cgi?nreg=z0628-09
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23.11.2009 23:31, Pleco

But no changes were made in the Internet frown.gif
http://mail.menr.gov.ua/publ/redbook/redbo...5&fam=39&num=89

So this is the old edition, ' 94, I mean this year's edition wink.gif
http://www.licasoft.com.ua/index.php/compo...=1&id=x000DBE32
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23.11.2009 23:31, RippeR

so the Red Book is no longer working, you can say-and this is not Olens but kurtipennis lol.gif
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23.11.2009 23:34, vasiliy-feoktistov

so the Red Book is no longer working, you can say-and this is not Olens and kurtipennis lol.gif

Something doesn't sound right just this smile.gif

23.11.2009 23:47, Victor Titov

In the new edition, the CCU is no longer Ocypus olens, but O. curtipennis

That's really strange, but why reinvent the specific name??? confused.gif

Vasily, you don't understand smile.gif. The specific name was never re-invented. Just corrected the incorrect definition of a rare staphylin beetle living in the Crimea, previously mistakenly defined as Ocypus olens. In fact, O. olens is absent in the Crimea, while O. curtipennis is found in the Crimea. All previous findings refer to this species, or to O. tenebricosus.

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 11/23/2009 23: 51
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23.11.2009 23:49, vasiliy-feoktistov

Vasily, you don't understand smile.gif. The specific name was never re-invented. Just corrected the incorrect definition of a rare staphylin beetle living in the Crimea, previously mistakenly defined as Ocypus olens.

Well, then I repent! I was in a hurry.

23.11.2009 23:51, okoem

a rare staphylin beetle that lives in the Crimea,
But I wouldn't say it's rare. Quite ordinary. smile.gif

23.11.2009 23:53, Victor Titov

But I wouldn't say it's rare. Quite ordinary. smile.gif

Again, it is necessary to look, because" at a glance " O. curtipennis from O. tenebricosus is difficult (to put it mildly) to distinguish. And the second one is common in the south.
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