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20.01.2010 22:00, Papaver

Four of you hold me...

They won't keep you less. Reread the topic if you have time. smile.gif

It's easy to stop a singing Kobzon
-like a running bison;
But to keep Elez with four people?!
Well, isn't < - > dashing...
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20.01.2010 22:02, vasiliy-feoktistov

They won't keep you less. Reread the topic if you have time. smile.gif

Yes, to be honest, I somehow find it funny (I hope this is not about our posts
about the administrative division). Although there is actually a "Black humor reeks": it turns out that if I die in a separate education (Railway),
then they will bury me in the Balashikha district, in Purshevo (we have a cemetery there)smile.gif. "After all, this is what the download turns out to be" confused.gif

20.01.2010 22:16, barko

Four of you hold me...
Four of them? There smile.gifmust be seven of them smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif
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20.01.2010 22:47, vasiliy-feoktistov

Oh, I read it offhand (I got into it for the first time today). This is terrible! Tads I also fall-smile.gifthis is an elementary question.

21.01.2010 0:47, Pirx

Chewing beetles on reeds,
elephants, pogonophores, marmosets
need an elegant label
(only a person is good without a label) smile.gif
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21.01.2010 1:03, А.Й.Элез

After all, the question is elementary.
Yes, that's what we thought. There was no disagreement about this initially. Disagreements arose when figuring out how each of us interpreted this elementary thing. And the broom went...
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21.01.2010 1:06, А.Й.Элез


And keep Elez with four men?
Well, isn't < - > a swashbuckler…
If I were Pope Innocent XI, I would respond to such a portrait with the words: Troppo papavero... beer.gif

P.S. And about Kobzon in vain delude yourself. wink.gif

21.01.2010 1:15, Papaver

If I were Pope Innocent XI, I would respond to such a portrait with the words: Troppo papavero... beer.gif
P.S. And about Kobzon in vain delude yourself. wink.gif

Grazie, Signore Eilezz!
beer.gif

Yes, by the way, I had to...

21.01.2010 10:52, Pirx

a couple of tips...


Exhaustive! beer.gif From myself, I will only add that those who wish can completely limit themselves to Word, and GPS coordinates are completely replaceable with those from Google Earth.
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21.01.2010 12:56, Egorus

Here, by the way, for information and correction of these labels-a quote
from one of the latest news - " According to the Presidential decree, starting
, the Southern Federal District has decreased and will now consist of 6
subjects: the Republic of Adygea, the Republic of Kalmykia, the Krasnodar Territory,
Astrakhan, Volgograd and Rostov regions.It was
Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkaria, Karachay-Cherkessia, North Ossetia,
Chechnya and Stavropol Krai to a separate
. ... "
(smile.gif,wink.gif,tongue.gif,frown.gif)

21.01.2010 15:19, Bad Den


and GPS coordinates are completely replaceable with those from Google Earth.

By the way, how do I do this?

21.01.2010 15:48, Vorona

If you have Google Earth installed on your computer, everything is fine with your memory and orientation in space - zoom in on the image to the desired scale, hover over the point-voila, the exact coordinates are at the bottom of the map. It seems to be up to hundredths of a second. In any case, up to seconds - exactly.
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21.01.2010 16:09, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

if you have GPS data for your instances, it will be just fine to give them a separate label. the reason is simple - GPS data completely replaces all your writing, except for the number of capture and the last name of the collector.


It is also necessary to provide information about the station (in rotting wood/on vegetation near the stream, etc.) and the features of harvesting (for light/manual harvesting, etc.).
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21.01.2010 16:27, Pirx

I didn't have time to answer, thank you smile.gif
Everything is so, but when I was looking for this program, I found sane not immediately.
Uploaded what I use myself (there are versions and higher):
http://rghost.ru/867758 smile.gif
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21.01.2010 16:37, Pirx

It is also necessary to provide information about the station (in rotting wood/on vegetation near the stream, etc.) and the features of harvesting (for light/manual harvesting, etc.).


Everything is the same as always: in the classic way, there should be two labels: geographical (a place with reference to geography, but not to a completely administrative division, date, collector, and now coordinates are desirable) and ecological (the bank of the Zhbanki River, krupnotravye, on the Sium latifolium flower garden, mowing 18). And we have already noted that coordinates can never replace the text until robots replace us.

21.01.2010 16:41, okoem

zoom in on the image to the desired scale, hover over the point-voila, the exact coordinates are at the bottom of the map.
However, rewriting these long, clumsy numbers isn't exactly fun. I do this: "Add/Placemark" (or " Ctr + Shift + P"), then set the placemark to the desired point, then copy-paste the obtained coordinates from the placemark window to a text file. If someone found an easier way, I will be glad to know!

user posted image

This post was edited by okoem - 21.01.2010 16: 42
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21.01.2010 23:51, mikee

If you have Google Earth installed on your computer, everything is fine with your memory and orientation in space - zoom in on the image to the desired scale, hover over the point-voila, the exact coordinates are at the bottom of the map. It seems to be up to hundredths of a second. In any case, up to seconds - exactly.

Unfortunately, not everything is so sweet. So far, in Google Earth, not all the surface is presented with the maximum resolution. Quite often, the presented resolution does not allow you to accurately determine the terrain, especially if you do not know this area thoroughly. In such cases, an alternative may be the general staff kilometer, which has recently become almost good, especially since they are immediately linked to the coordinates for the Ozi Explorer program on the Network. Next, we load the map of the desired area into the mentioned program and, similarly to Google-Earth, we read the coordinates of the desired point.

22.01.2010 0:12, Sugercete

a couple of tips




I would also like to add that when creating labels in Corel, you can place a pin tag inside the label with an accuracy of 0.001 mm. That's what I do. It is also useful to print knife markings around the label. And for those who have an inkjet printer, I can advise cauterizing with an iron. Vot
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22.01.2010 10:18, Bad Den

Wait, if I already have the coordinates from the GPS navigator, why replace them with coordinates from Google Earth?

22.01.2010 10:26, mikee

Wait, if I already have the coordinates from the GPS navigator, why replace them with coordinates from Google Earth?

And who said that it is necessary to replace? The point was that you can get quite informative coordinates of a point not only from Yandex. Navigatorsmile.gif, but also from Yandex. Navigator, which is better, because you can also draw a track to a point from it.
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22.01.2010 10:28, Vorona

smile.gif No need. Google Earth - for those who don't have Yandex. Navigator. By the way, has anyone checked whether the coordinates match for the two versions?
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22.01.2010 10:49, TEMPUS

Sorry for the somewhat strange or maybe naive question,but what is corel?

22.01.2010 10:52, vasiliy-feoktistov

Sorry for the somewhat strange or maybe naive question,but what is corel?

CorelDRAW apparently (I don't use it for this).

22.01.2010 10:57, vasiliy-feoktistov

And who said that it is necessary to replace? The point was that you can get quite informative coordinates of a point not only from Yandex. Navigatorsmile.gif, but also from Yandex. Navigator, which is better, because you can also draw a track to a point from it.

By the way, there is also a program that includes many maps (except Google Earth). Haven't tried it? I prefer to use this program. Here is a screenshot from it of our city:

Pictures:
picture: map.jpg
map.jpg — (258.99к)

22.01.2010 11:22, mikee

  smile.gif No need. Google Earth - for those who don't have Yandex. Navigator. By the way, has anyone checked whether the coordinates match for the two versions?

I checked my entrance (navigator vs Google Earth), there is a discrepancy
, 30-40 meters, I remember.
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22.01.2010 11:24, mikee

By the way, there is also a program that includes many maps (except Google Earth). Haven't tried it? I prefer to use this program. Here is a screenshot from it of our city:

I tried it. I didn't find anything fundamentally new in comparison with Google. There may be some sections that are more detailed from other sources, but what I've seen isn't any better, at least.
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22.01.2010 11:32, vasiliy-feoktistov

I tried it. I didn't find anything fundamentally new in comparison with Google. There may be some sections that are more detailed from other sources, but what I've seen isn't any better, at least.

I just like it because of the choice of sources.

22.01.2010 14:35, RippeR

there is also an encyclopedia - encarta, which also contains not bad maps (but not satellite photos). You can put several different types of labels.

22.01.2010 16:18, Vorona

I checked my entrance (navigator vs Google Earth), there is a discrepancy
, 30-40 meters, I remember.

On GoogleEarth, coordinates are in the format xx 0 xx'xx.xx " And the same format for yandex. Navigator? And then after all, seconds are not hundredths of minutes... (I'm just saying this, just in case - what if errors are due to this?)

This post was edited by Vorona - 22.01.2010 16: 18

22.01.2010 16:55, okoem

On GoogleEarth, coordinates are in the format xx 0 xx'xx.xx " And the same format for yandex. Navigator? Otherwise, seconds are not hundredths of minutes...

On GoogleEarth, the display format can be set in the program settings.
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22.01.2010 16:59, mikee

On GoogleEarth, coordinates are in the format xx 0 xx'xx.xx " And the same format for yandex. Navigator? And then after all, seconds are not hundredths of minutes... (I'm just saying this, just in case - what if errors are due to this?)

Geographical coordinates have the same representation, at least in my case. Another question is in which datum the information is given (I have the same data, i.e. WSG-84). There are a lot of other sources of errors, ranging from the angle of shooting a given area in Google with subsequent (probably) recalculation to normal and ending with a roughened civilian GPS channel and the number of satellites used at the time of navigation. But the main objects on the general staff kilometers coincide with the GPS readings very well, for example, on a wide highway you can sometimes see which side you are going: -)
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22.01.2010 17:00, mikee

On GoogleEarth, the display format can be set in the program settings.

In the GPS receiver - also smile.gif

22.01.2010 17:28, А.Й.Элез

Here, by the way, for information and correction of these labels-a quote
from one of the latest news - " According to the Presidential decree, starting today
, the Southern Federal District has decreased and will now consist of 6
subjects: the Republic of Adygea, the Republic of Kalmykia, the Krasnodar Territory,
the Astrakhan, Volgograd and Rostov regions.It was decided to allocate Dagestan, Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkaria, Karachay-Cherkessia, North Ossetia, Chechnya and the Stavropol Territory to a separate
North Caucasus Federal District

.
smile.gifwink.giftongue.giffrown.gif
This should not be taken tragically. Toponymically, it will be unambiguous to indicate Adygea immediately after Russia, and all these districts were not given to us on the labels at all.
About Corel, Word, etc. I will say that this is a matter of habit. Well, you can put together both there and there. I'm just used to Word, and it's not hard to put a pin-hole marker there, either. But I don't see the point in this, it's easier for me to keep the symmetry only horizontally, and vertically I can move the puncture above or below the middle ± 0.5 mm, so long as it doesn't fall on the lines of letters (numbers), which are not always smackered along the same horizontal lines (it always depends on the volume of the text). By the way, when I make dies (I print out the existing prepared table grid in Word on thick paper) for small things, I mark the place of the puncture with a pin in advance on the die.

02.02.2010 22:19, STIGMA

There may be discrepancies in the coordinates of Google and GPS receivers. First of all, it is a type of coordinate grid. In Russia and the USSR, the Pulkovo 32 coordinate system is used, if I'm not mistaken, the states have their own grid, but the differences are usually no more than a hundred meters. Accordingly, in GPS receivers that are Russified, the default value is Pulkovo, in most cases, if it is not easy to change it to the desired coordinate grid. As a geologist, I can say that every year I face similar problems, new non-russified receivers need to be reconfigured, then they converge with maps of hundreds and more detailed maps up to 1: 10,000 of the general staff. Discrepancies are not more than 3-5 m. And I think Google should not be trusted one hundred percent, as mentioned above, the projection angle can seriously change the actual position.
Carmine receivers, the simplest, most accurate, some of the best, tested by our own experience.

03.02.2010 16:27, TEMPUS

Interested in this question.Please tell me what Corel is,where it can be obtained, and how it can be used for writing entomological labels. confused.gif

03.02.2010 16:35, okoem

Interested in this question.Please tell me what Corel is,where it can be obtained, and how it can be used for writing entomological labels. confused.gif

You asked this question in post # 542 and got an answer in post #543.
Where to get it-buy a licensed one or download a pirated one for free. Google to help! smile.gif
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20.03.2010 21:29, Liparus

The question is solved with the coordinates,is it necessary to write?
Just in a few decades, such a state as Ukraine will no longer exist,but the inscription on the label will remain.Is this the best option to date?If not, what can I add?

This post was edited by Liparus - 21.03.2010 15: 45

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21.03.2010 1:39, palvasru4ko


Just in a few decades, such a state as Ukraine will no longer exist,but the inscription on the label will remain.

There will be no Ukraine, but there WILL be people who at least occasionally read books (including on the history of the "ancient world") They read it, and I hope they will know that" here and over there " were once the borders of Ukraine. For several decades, western Ukraine belonged to Poland, but today, for some reason, no one is puzzling over " where is Lviv located?" In Otto Holik's work " Rasy gatunkow rodzaju Zygaena Fabr. (Lepidoptera) wystepujace w Polsce "(1939) on the map of Poland on a par (!!!) with the cities "WARZAWA" and "KRAKOW", the cities" LWOW"," LUCK"," TARNOPOL " and others are still marked familiar names to us today... It is strange, but today it is the territory of another state... If the label looks like this: "village Komsomolskoe", then, of course, such a label is of little use. But if the entry is something like this: "Ukraine, Crimea, 5 km s. from Dzhankoy, Komsomolskoye village", I think people will understand if they want. Maybe the village of Komsomolskoye will no longer be there, but it will be possible to find Junk on maps (even old ones), and you don't need much intelligence to count 5 km to the north. I may be wrong, but the coordinates (in my opinion) make sense to use where the village is located 50 km from the village, and to the nearest city, marked on the map 100 - 150 kilometers, that is, there is no clear attachment to a large locality. I don't want to offend anyone specifically (God forbid!), I just express my opinion (I hope you can): for Ukraine, writing coordinates is more of a show - off than a necessity.
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21.03.2010 17:25, palvasru4ko

Interesting map... Great Khazaria... It's just a pity that the entomological collections of those years have not been preserved smile.gif

21.03.2010 19:07, Алексей Сажнев

Hello, forumchane!

Who knows where the village of Akhmatovka is (was) located-the estate of Countess Durnovo, it was previously part of the Saratov province, I am interested in the current location of this village, which region it is part of.
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