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30.12.2009 9:49, А.Й.Элез

If you read the list of PTZ authored by G. D. Samodurov and I. N. Osipov, then there is an indication of the discovery of L. I. Nikolaevsky already in 1976 "on a clearing near the western border of the reserve". Perhaps it would be worth looking at the Sushka River, but not the fact that it will turn out. Genrikh Dmitrievich himself says that M. nausithous did not meet him. And he, by the way, in the 90s went around the entire PTZ.

The 1976 copy, as stated in the 1988 list, is "known", but has it been preserved? and whether it was rechecked (however, if the copy was at least taken, then I would immediately rule out Nikolaevsky's mistake). Or was it just met? After all," in the clearing near the western border of the reserve " there is definitely now a population of teleius, although small, but stable, since there is a non-drying mud on which bloodworm grows, and there is also a larger population nearby. But nausithous for almost two decades of observations, neither I, nor my usual companion in those places, did not meet. In addition to this copy of 1976, the same list says about 12 copies of 1948 (!) - in damp clearings of deciduous forest. And in the 1994 report, there is no mention of the 1976 specimen (and you can't really connect the clearing near the western border of the reserve with a deciduous forest, but with a forest – quite), only a general indication remains-it is very rare, wet clearings in deciduous forests. And not a word about new (and generally) finds or other biotopes. That is, as if a copy of 1976 was silently removed from the register.

By the way, more about the genus. For alcon, I remember this summer when I had men get to a specific point on the territory of the PTZ. I've never seen an alcon in those parts. Arion about 15 years ago was born in those parts en masse, later I almost or did not see it at all.

Not on drying all iskhozhenoyu. They speak from the words of Osipov. what nauzitous has on the territory of the reserve

Oh, wow, I heard something like that too

. However, not from Osipov, but from another entomologist of PTZ. But I don't remember if they found it specifically. It is clear that if they were found, it was after the 1994 pamphlet. But it is very likely that the conversation was conducted at the level of old information.

About the Drying quality: I'm not sure. If from the highway "Crimea" to the east to the dam and on the clearing of power lines, then let's say (and then on this segment from time to time there are surprises). But upstream, above the Drying passage through the forest, is it well surveyed? Village of Sushki, der. Dunks (well, this one is probably trampled) and even further north? Can someone explain what is there and how?

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 31.12.2009 23: 12

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06.04.2010 21:10, bora

For European butterflies, I personally stick to Fauna Europaea, not the Lepidoptera Catalog. There is no doubt yet that chalybeitincta is an independent species. In addition, in this case (chalybeitincta/rubi), I will also conduct a gene analysis myself, but this time for nuclear genes, since when the proximity of mitochondrial genes is noted, it can be:
1. The species are very young and have not yet scored differences in mitochondrial DNA or
2. At some point, introgression occurred and one species picked up the mitochondrial DNA of another species by hybridization, followed by the fixation of this mitochondrial genotype.
In this case (and in any case, by the way), a comprehensive study of mitochondrial and nuclear genes is necessary.

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14.04.2010 14:29, Пензяк

Okoem - I didn't understand, in the post on yolks (No. 179. from 31.03.2010) You mentioned that in Crimea - "For example, I have never seen L. boeticus migrants, but we have plenty of fresh brood every autumn." And here in post # 233 Shapic gives fees of this type from 8-10. 07. 2009 !!? How to understand this... it turns out that in the Crimea the pea pigeon has several generations!?

According to M. nausithous - it is very surprising to hear that this species is found in raw biotopes!? In the forest-steppe of the Penza region, this species is known from only 2 specimens (in two different locations in the south of the region). collected in grasslands with grasslands and small "rivers/streams" with small damp floodplains. For comparison, for example, the most common M. teleius is known in more than 20 locations. Moreover, the number in some points is more than 100 copies... Then, in descending order, arion (more than 10 points) and alkon (about 10 points). This is the situation, Alexander Baryshev can confirm my words.

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