Lycaenidae

I really wish it wasn't bellargus, but it's him, or rather they are

Gena-stealthily... It seems that this is a thermal (very low winter temperatures probably affected the pupae) morph on the northern border of the range? This is the first time I've seen them...

Okay, I'll be home and take a picture. But this is definitely not the northern border of the range, specimens from the south of the region are the Dniester Canyon, only the second one from above seems to be somewhere from the vicinity of Khmelnitsky. The bottom two are exactly 9.06.2004, I don't remember what winter was like. To be honest, I am also somewhat intrigued by them, especially because of Popov's "description" of Lysandra podolica just from these places. http://www.alexanor.uzhgorod.ua/BLUE0000.HTM

Maybe Boris ("bora") can tell us what kind of species it is!? Hardly anyone knows pigeons better than him right now!

Maybe Boris ("bora") can tell us what kind of species it is!?

Form of female Polyommatus (Lysandra) bellargus f. ceronus.
For example, a first-generation female from the Rostov region

This post was edited by bora - 13.01.2011 15: 35

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According to my observations, the percentage of females with this color increases as they move from north to south. Interestingly, in mountainous Armenia, all females are brown, with almost no blue scales.
From top to bottom: Voronezh Region (Ostrogozhsky district), Voronezh Region (Ostrogozhsky district), Armenia (Syunik)

Blue female icarus from the Orel region, first generation

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especially because of Popov's "description" of Lysandra podolica from just these places. http://www.alexanor.uzhgorod.ua/BLUE0000.HTM

This, presumably, is actually a hybrid of bellargus x coridon (so-called Bellargus x coridon). the polonus form). By the way, there is a recent note about it (there was one on the forum):

Identification of a hybrid specimen of Polyommatus (Lysandra)
(Lepidoptera: Lycaenidae) using genetic markers COI and ITS2
D. I. Vodolazhsky, B. V. Stradomsky, G. V. Kuznetsov

I have already come across this opinion, and I adhered to it, but some local collectors tend to consider them a species, and they also consider the page on Popov's website to be a full description of such specimens, but judging by oral reports in the Dniester Canyon, these hybrids are not uncommon.

This post was edited by Gena-13.01.2011 20: 27

I've already come across this opinion, and I've stuck to it, but some local collectors tend to consider them a species, and they also consider the page on Popov's website to be a full-fledged description

Let them count for themselves.

And do not tell me in what topic the article was, and then the search for something or something does not give.

http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=96567

If it's early June butterflies, I wouldn't take the liberty of saying it's a hybrid.
I'd like to see my underwear!

Do you mean my females, or the specimens I've heard about orally?

If it's early June butterflies, I wouldn't take the liberty of saying it's a hybrid.

I was referring to what Popov has on his website. What Gena has is undoubtedly a female bellargus.

This, presumably, is actually a hybrid of bellargus x coridon (so-called Bellargus x coridon). the polonus form).

Eh, who would say exactly what it is? Collected in the Crimea. polonus or coridonius?

Eh, who would say exactly what it is? Collected in the Crimea. polonus or coridonius?

Very similar to what Gennady and I studied.
If you want, send me the belly.

This post was edited by bora - 13.01.2011 21: 19

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Here are the extreme forms of P. (L.)corydonius.
The most characteristic feature of this species is the abundant presence of very long androconial scales on the basal half of the upper wings.

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Boris
1. I didn't understand - in the Volgograd region, in addition to P. (L.) bellargus and P.(L.) coridon, there may be something else ?
2. In the middle zone of the European part of Russia, with whom can bellargus hybridize??
3. I wonder why I don't find bellargus on the real steppes of the south of the region? And it was found in 100% of the meadow steppe (in the center of the region) - that is, the northern version...
4. I am somewhat confused why there are August-September butterflies and there is no first generation??
5. Korydon is widespread in all types of steppes, and to my GREAT surprise, I recently found it in large (old) clearings along pine (boreal) sandy forests on the Belaya River (Volga Upland). A good flyer is understandable - but to fly into the woods (migrant), nonsense. It turns out that this is a fairly plastic species-as long as there is k.r. g. and a suitable biotope...

Gena-stealthily...

I added a photo of my underwear and label to my message.

Boris
1. I didn't understand - in the Volgograd region, in addition to P. (L.) bellargus and P.(L.) coridon, there may be something else ?
2. In the middle zone of the European part of Russia, with whom can bellargus hybridize??
3. I wonder why I don't find bellargus on the real steppes of the south of the region? And it was found in 100% of the meadow steppe (in the center of the region) - that is, the northern version...
4. I am somewhat confused why there are August-September butterflies and there is no first generation??
5. Korydon is widespread in all types of steppes, and to my GREAT surprise, I recently found it in large (old) clearings along pine (boreal) sandy forests on the Belaya River (Volga Upland). A good flyer is understandable - but to fly into the woods (migrant), nonsense. It turns out that this is a fairly plastic species-as long as there is k.r. g. and a suitable biotope...

1. Their polonus hybrid.
2. With coridon.
3. Look where the elm tree is. I do not know in what biotopes you have it growing.
4. Our summer and autumn bellargus generation is always much more massive than the spring one, and maybe you have it too. You just don't find the first one, especially if you have a rare species.
5. I also often find corydon along the bayrachny lines, and not in the open steppe. Especially when the heat is over 35-40 degrees. butterflies hide in the shadows.

Eh, who would say exactly what it is? Collected in the Crimea. polonus or coridonius?

And here's the battered corydonius. And the devil can't tell them apart. And the genitals are the same. So there is only one way here.

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Returning to P. bellargus.
Bellargus, not only easily hybridized, but also in general, a very variable species in size, color, and pattern. Here are a couple of variations of males.
Those who are obsessed with video writing could make a good profit here.

This post was edited by bora - 15.01.2011 08: 21

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Those who are obsessed with video writing could make a good profit here.

Is it from the same masonry??? Boris Vitalievich, if it's not a secret, what did you feed them???

Is it from the same masonry??? Boris Vitalievich, if it's not a secret, what did you feed them???

No, Pavel, these are" wild " animals from the Rostov region, so you can "describe" them.
But if you feed well, you can also achieve something

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This is a giant! I have a very large female Chervonets unpaired. I found it on the web in the summer of 1998. No legs or head, but the wings are intact. I'll have to take a picture sometime.

This is a giant! I have a very large female Chervonets unpaired. I found it on the web in the summer of 1998. No legs or head, but the wings are intact. I'll have to take a picture sometime.

Yes, female dyspars can be very large, but this guy is even bigger (the female is "wild").
Or you can grow phlaeas as big as dispar (the right phlaeas from nature).

This post was edited by bora - 15.01.2011 10: 05

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Who attacked the Colorado Potato beetle larva?
http://s014.radikal.ru/i329/1101/14/9cbae7a945d3.jpg

Who attacked the Colorado Potato beetle larva?
http://s014.radikal.ru/i329/1101/14/9cbae7a945d3.jpg

What-you do not write in the subject. And the Bug-shield Zicrona caerulea attacked.
Please move this.

Dear friends!

I have to report new information about the pljushtchi taxon that I have only recently become aware of.

When studying the system and phylogeny of pigeons of the genus Agrodiaetus (see Kandul et al., 2004), we sequenced a part of the mitochondrial genome that includes the COI, tRNA-Leu, and COII genes and has a length of about 2000 nucleotide pairs. Sequencing of this part of the genome for each individual was performed in four steps, using four pairs of primers. Accordingly, four fragments were obtained for each individual, each of which had a length of approximately 500 base pairs. A total of 113*4=452 fragments were obtained during DNA sequencing from 113 individuals. "Crosslinking” of these fragments was performed manually using the mitochondrial nucleotide sequence of the silkworm Bombyx mori as a reference sequence.

As it became clear to me recently, when crosslinking fragments related to individuals AY496733 (A damon) and AY496774 (A pljushtchi), an error occurred caused by a” human factor " (in other words, inattention). If the first, third, and fourth fragments were "sewn" into their places correctly, then the second fragments were mixed up. As a result, chimeric nucleotide sequences were obtained:

AY496733 (the first, third and fourth fragments were obtained from A damon, and the second fragment was obtained from A pljushtchi.)

AY496774 (the first, third and fourth fragments are derived from A pljushtchi, and the second fragment is derived from A damon).

This error led to a serious distortion of the topology of the obtained phylogenetic trees in those parts of them that relate to the position of A pljushtchi. The chimeric sequence "A pljushtchi" consistently and with high support appeared on reconstructions as a genetically strongly divergent taxon, basal to the clade (pyllides-iphigenides-juldusus-karatavicus-damone). This strongly influenced our interpretation of the pljushtchi taxon as a species in 2004 (Kandul et al., 2004) and in other later works. In fact, after correcting this error and inserting all the fragments into their proper places, it turns out that the sequence A pljushtchi is closest to the sequence of the nominative A. damone damone. Given the allopatry of pljushtchi in relation to A. damone, its interpretation as an independent species becomes extremely improbable.
I apologize to my colleagues for the mistake made by our team. I am also grateful to Martin Wiemers, who first discovered this error and kindly informed me about it.

With respect,

V. A. Lukhtanov

  5. Phylogenetic analysis based on a comparison of 1960 nucleotide pairs of mitochondrial cytochrome oxidase I and II genes (COI and SOY) (Kandul et al., 2004; Lukhtanov et al., 2005) showed that the A. pljushtchi and A. damone clones are not closely related (Fig. 1). Moreover,A. pljushtchi is based on the following genes: The entire supraspecific complex of A. damone sensu lato is a sister taxon to all other species that form a compact cluster of closely related, partially sympatric forms. The isolated position of A. pljushtchi in the phylogenetic tree was confirmed using both the maximum economy method (97% bootstrap support), the maximum likelihood method (100% bootstrap support), and the Bayesian method (100% posteriori probability) (Kandul et al., 2004; Lukhtanov et al., 2005)
A combination of facts - the absence of a close phylogenetic relationship, its location in a different ecological niche, together with the morphological differences noted earlier (Budashkin and Lukhtanov, 1993)-support the species independence of A. pljushtchi.

Returning to P. bellargus.
Bellargus, not only easily hybridized, but also in general, a very variable species in size, color, and pattern. Here are a couple of variations of males.
Those who are obsessed with video writing could make a good profit here.

- It's amazing, such "pygmies" in the field are easily overlooked among a crowd of icarus...
The fact that this happened under unfavorable conditions of larval development is understandable, but maybe this happens as a result of an unusual k. r. g.? And if we consider that such a pygmy is unlikely to find a mate , then we should assume that "dwarfism" is quite a "common" thing (probably especially for extreme species) in this species, that's why we view it among the fees...

Returning to P. bellargus.
Bellargus, not only easily hybridized, but also in general, a very variable species in size, color, and pattern. Here are a couple of variations of males.
Those who are obsessed with video writing could make a good profit here.

Boris! Yes, somehow it does not fit into my head that this is one kind. I always come across bellarguses that are the same size. The closest training camps to me are Shikhany Sterlitamak at the end of May. There are some vague icars!? Apparently, it's time to show you your material.

Boris! Yes, somehow it does not fit into my head that this is one kind. I always come across bellarguses that are the same size.

The most interesting thing is that both the dwarf (right) and aberrant (left) genitals have the same size and shape. The size of bellarguses (and not only) begin to vary and often decrease by autumn. The midget, for example, was caught in October.

The midget, for example, was caught in October.

Well, then, I'll look for small bellarguses in my collections. It seems there were similar ones. In autumn, icarus also changes a lot. In general, "midgets" among many species of pigeons come across. And this little thing also pairs as an adult

Hi Vyacheslav! I wanted to shake your hand personally , but I didn't wait for you to visit...
Is bellargus common in Bashkiria??

Local "Bashkirs" probably know better. I've only ever seen bellarguses very locally. On the southern steppe slopes of Syrtov (shikhan). Small ones like there were also, I haven't looked yet.

I would REALLY like to know-WHO IS CURRENTLY STUDYING lepidoptera in Bashkiria ???

Duplicate it here

Nabokov's point of view has been confirmed
Neotropical pigeons Polyommatus are of Asian origin

Vila et al., 2011, Phylogeny and palaeoecology of Polyommatus blue butterflies show Beringia was a climate-regulated gateway to the New World. Proc. R. Soc. B published online 26 January 2011
http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/con...0.2213.full.pdf

it was confirmed a long time ago. just plus one molecular article.

I couldn't read anything on this bourgeois mov, but maybe someone will find it interesting...

WAGNER (2000): Untersuchungen zum taxonomischen Status der Aricia-Population (Lepidoptera, Lycaenidae) der Schwäbischen Ostalb. Carolinea 58: 231-236 und Tafel 1.
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To the question of Maculinea or Phengaris

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