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29.11.2009 16:19, MisterXus

I visited 2 years ago, but passing through. Hard country to catch. There is no time for night vigils at the lamp. Instead of a hawk moth, a shot from an RPG will arrive. But something is available from Colias and Parnassius. If you need something specifically for Tajikistan and Afghanistan velkam in PM ))))) There is a Tajik night, by the way ))

This post was edited by MisterXus - 11/29/2009 16: 20

07.12.2009 12:06, barko

The photo was taken at the fair. Butterflies attracted attention with their beautiful appearance. There were no labels. What kind of view?

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07.12.2009 12:44, Pavel Morozov

aberrants of apollo
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07.12.2009 19:22, Konung

so it seems that Apollo is forbidden to sell??
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07.12.2009 19:59, vasiliy-feoktistov

so it seems that Apollo is forbidden to sell??

Yes, it is impossible to catch it, as well as the swallowtail (red book). So we catch the same smile.gif.

07.12.2009 20:08, Vlad Proklov

Yes, it is impossible to catch it, as well as the swallowtail (red book). So we catch the same smile.gif.

Apollo, unlike swallowtail, is listed in CITES.
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07.12.2009 21:34, Andry Shaposhnikov

The photo was taken at the fair. Butterflies attracted attention with their beautiful appearance. There were no labels. What kind of view?
PARNASSIUS ABERR.PSEUDOZORRO
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07.12.2009 21:55, MisterXus

Yes, the seller clearly took a risk ))))) But it's an aberrant apollo, for sure !!

07.12.2009 21:58, MisterXus

vasiliy-feoktistov, the swallowtail is no longer on the red list.
I agree with rhopalocera.com - this is a temperature form. They were taken out in the cold.
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08.12.2009 2:47, vasiliy-feoktistov

vasiliy-feoktistov, the swallowtail is no longer on the red list.

Well, I would not say so categorically.
A couple of links:
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makhaon
http://babochki.narod.ru/pa01.html

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 08.12.2009 03: 03

08.12.2009 4:02, Karat

And can someone tell me how these temperature aberrants are obtained? How low should the temperature be? How long?

08.12.2009 8:23, Yakovlev

This is artificial breeding...
Yes, like pseudozorro...
Such butterflies are very rare in nature - because what we see is specially grown mutants. I don't really like these experiments, because often some left labels are hung on them.
The seller did not risk anything. 1. Who would recognize Apollo in such a butterfly? From the" nature conservationists " especially.
2. In theory, it can have a CITES certificate.
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08.12.2009 11:00, Karat

What is artificially derived is understandable. So I ask, maybe someone from forumchan is deduced or something heard how to get them, because simply putting the pupae in the refrigerator is unlikely to give such a color. For sure, this was done according to some specific cooling scheme.

08.12.2009 17:50, Бабочник

for many years I have been breeding Apollo and other Parnassus pupae and I have big doubts about the temperature effect on them - Parnassus pupae live in areas where temperature indicators often jump to minus (in the mountains), but such forms are not observed.
At the same time, I do not exclude that it is possible to obtain such aberrants using temperature exposure. If this is the case, then it is a direct fraud to pass them off as natural forms. I was told that pupae are sometimes irradiated with X-rays (I don't remember exactly) getting something like a female avtokrator during breeding. I haven't done all this myself, and I don't intend to.
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08.12.2009 20:45, Yakovlev

for many years I have been breeding Apollo and other Parnassus pupae and I have big doubts about the temperature effect on them - Parnassus pupae live in areas where temperature indicators often jump to minus (in the mountains), but such forms are not observed.
At the same time, I do not exclude that it is possible to obtain such aberrants using temperature exposure. If this is the case, then it is a direct fraud to pass them off as natural forms. I was told that pupae are sometimes irradiated with X-rays (I don't remember exactly) getting something like a female avtokrator during breeding. I haven't done all this myself, and I don't intend to.

Yes, this is exactly the way to make a form of viscoti, which is extremely rare in nature in Sweden and France. I was recently sent such a Swedish couple. Goran Waldeck, the author of a well - known website, collected it personally. We've been exchanging information for a long time. I can offer it to anyone who needs it. Write to pm

09.12.2009 0:49, Бабочник

Waldeck is my newest sabre... we've been changing for many years. In general, a good grandfather, sincere.
And in Parnassus rummages.
Unfortunately, he has a couple of my photos on his website.
But about artificial viskotti I was grilled by Lena Nikolaeva (for a long time, damn it, I don't remember who made them).

14.12.2009 11:18, Ironbutt

such is P. acco goergneri -

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16.12.2009 12:56, Ironbutt

And I just don't know how to present it - ???? -
I want to ask - How do Forum members relate to such a thing - ?
PARNASSIUS CHOUI - ????

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16.12.2009 18:41, RippeR

what's wrong with them?

17.12.2009 11:56, Guest

kidalovo

17.12.2009 18:54, Ironbutt

I'd like to see a link to the original description.........On this occasion, and turned to the forum.
And what is a scam ???? ........

17.12.2009 19:10, vasiliy-feoktistov

I'd like to see a link to the original description.........On this occasion, and turned to the forum.

Google finds something on it.

17.12.2009 19:11, Yakovlev

Parnassius choui Huang & Shi, 1994
Parnassius choui Huang & Shi, 1994; in Chou, Monographia Rhopalocerum Sinensium 1-2: 754, 202, f. 13, TL: Huzhu, Qinghai

This post was edited by Yakovlev - 12/17/2009 19: 26

17.12.2009 19:24, Yakovlev

Most likely, this is a subspecies (synonym) of szechenyii

18.12.2009 21:42, Ironbutt

Google finds something on it.
Thanks!!!! but all enti Googles and other yakhi studied..... and the question remained....?????

18.12.2009 22:41, MisterXus

Well, if his genitals are different from szechenyii, then it's not a subspecies... If the species was described as such, then the genitalia drawing should also be attached.

18.12.2009 22:43, DavBaz

Where were the butterflies caught?

19.12.2009 10:51, Ironbutt

Well, if his genitals are different from szechenyii, then it's not a subspecies... If the species was described as such, then the genitalia drawing should also be attached.

Actually, this is the question. I didn't find this one anywhere.... weep.gif weep.gif weep.gif
Is that the most zamorochitsya....???? At the collection point, the nearest subspecies szechenyii-P. s. lethe-is very different, even in size....

19.12.2009 20:23, swerig

I told you - subspecies szechenyii !!! We watched it together. I think it's not even about the genitals, but about the DNA analysis. Japanese people love it

20.12.2009 10:18, Yakovlev

I hardly understand what the Japanese have to do with it

20.12.2009 10:23, Ironbutt

I hardly understand what the Japanese have to do with it

This is revenge ! for Tsushima and Port Arthur !!!! lol.gif lol.gif lol.gif

20.12.2009 17:13, Yakovlev

By the way, if we talk about Chinese (or, as swerig believes, Japanese) descriptions , then in the West this is called Chinese style. I am not talking about this taxon and not about the entire Chinese taxonomy, but in general, the activities of taxonomists from China (in botany and zoology) are similar to those of Americans in Nagasaki and Hiroshima, if we continue the Japanese theme.
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22.12.2009 19:51, Yakovlev

Interesting photos from the Munich Museum. Aktius with the label Altai and the label is later pinned down that the locale is falsified.

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23.12.2009 23:35, MisterXus

I think Altai was confused with Alai ))))

30.12.2009 18:26, barko

Sergey Churkin's new page dedicated to Parnassius davydovi

http://parnassius-davydovi.com/russian.html
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01.01.2010 22:16, sergey nyu

I present parnassius mnemosyne (the second specimen on the right is partially visible), caught in May 2009 in the vicinity of Stavropol and parnassius nordmanni August 2009, Uzunkol gorge, KCRpicture: DSC00573.JPGpicture: DSC00570.JPGpicture: DSC00571.JPG
Mnemosyne from KCR in the lower photo on the right side, left side of the butterfly, sorry, did not specify immediately.
With nordmanni, the error came out, blame it if something is wrong, really apollo.

This post was edited by sergey nyu-09.01.2010 16: 17

02.01.2010 11:27, Grigory Grigoryev

You have 2 recent photos of P. apollo....
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02.01.2010 23:07, А.Й.Элез

Quibbles... Not bumblebees...
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03.01.2010 22:37, А.Й.Элез

M. B. did Yakovlev himself hear something? I remember that he told me something about the trip both here and on his website, but with illustrations.

07.01.2010 16:14, MisterXus

I know for a fact that Churkin found a new subspecies from the romanovi group not far from Osh.

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